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Shallowed my swing but can't stop hitting it off the bottom/thin. Help!


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#1 Jlopicco23

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:46 PM

I've made significant progress as of late.  Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never  really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes.  Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves.  Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits.  Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact?  Thanks!

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:33 PM

Have the same problem as you from flattening my swing.  I'm more consistent, but iron shots feel terrible.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:51 PM

You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:37 PM

Have had same issue, the thin shot is dominant miss these days

Find that it's imperative to keep left/lead side low in transition, Hip angle slightly down, lead shoulder moving away from head low.  The whole "swing down hill" intent. Throw in a slight squat or crunching of body angles, it goes gold.

I've always been steep with shaft plane, body was compensating by going flat, but better cocktail is body is steeper and shaft is flatter.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:48 PM

Sounds like a ball position issue.  Maybe move it back in your stance a ball?


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:50 PM

Could be too shallow, could need more right side bend on the downswing, could be a ball position issue.  Could be a combination.  Hard to say without video.  You also may just need time to adjust.  That being said, when you are more shallow, contact will sound/feel a touch thin if you are used to being steep because you are probably used to hitting the ball/ground at the same time.  Hitting ball first then divot feels odd until you get used to it.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:31 AM

View PostJlopicco23, on 10 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

I've made significant progress as of late.  Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never  really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes.  Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves.  Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits.  Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact?  Thanks!

It could be that your old steeper swing was forcing your body to extend. Now with this new shallowed swing perhaps you’re not flexing enough (hence the thin shots). Just my guess.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:58 AM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 10 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.

It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.

1)Shallowing out your swing

You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO

2) Shallowing out AA
You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:35 PM

now include more right side bend through impact.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:42 PM

Every suggestion is a guess at best, if you don't post a video of your swing.  Blindly following blind and random tips will almost certainly be a bad move.

Post a swing, and listen to the people who are known quantities when it comes to swing instruction.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:47 PM

This video by Tyler Ferrell is on point:



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:42 PM

OP how is your knee bend? you may want to try putting yourself lower to the ground.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:51 PM

Put up a video...no way to comment otherwise.

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 01:00 AM

First, try standing closer to the ball. It may steepen the plane, but there's been many highly regarded players that seem to think one cannot get too close to the ball in the first place. Closer to the ball will shorten the distance between your hands and ground, making your clubhead take a lower route into the ball. It's worth a shot.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 05:19 PM

Swings tend to follow 2 patterns - steep early, shallow late or shallow early then steep late.  If you do a good job of shallowing the plan early in the transition/ downswing, you must begin to steepen around P6.  Got to "tumble" that clubhead out  to get some negative AoA for irons.


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Posted 13 July 2018 - 06:16 PM

View Postcarrera, on 12 July 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

This video by Tyler Ferrell is on point:



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Posted 13 July 2018 - 08:55 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 12 July 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 10 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.

It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.

1)Shallowing out your swing

You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO

2) Shallowing out AA
You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.

If you want to split hairs, start a thread.
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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:47 PM

View PostJlopicco23, on 10 July 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

I've made significant progress as of late.  Shallowing much better and exiting low left/around my body with a good pivot. never  really been on who hits a thin ball but contact feels horrible since the changes.  Efeels thin or off the bottom grooves.  Assuming my body will make a compensation to find middle but want to make sure I don't get into any bad habits.  Can anyone explain why or something to try to adjust contact?  Thanks!

Happens to everybody as they learn to swing. We all swing too deep or too shallow as we transition through the various stages of the swing. It's a learning experience but it time you shall learn to hit solid and eventually even learn to hit thin on purpose as the occasion demands. It's all a learning thing. Just keep working at it and relax through the learning.



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Posted Yesterday, 12:07 AM

Still...please post a video...impossible to know otherwise.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:32 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 12 July 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 10 July 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

You can go too much the other way. Nothing wrong with being a little down with irons.

It depends if he was working on shallowing out his swing or shallowing out his angle of attack.

1)Shallowing out your swing

You can shallow out just fine and still hit down on irons a good amount. Brooks Koepka AA on a 6 iron is -9 and -3 on his driver, get shallow. Probably if this is the case, the issue is a sequencing one where he has let the arms be to passive and club isn't reaching the ground or the club is too open because of the shallowing move (probably still more a forced than natural) and he has to flip it to save a potential foul ball and he doesn't realize this is the case. Tough to say though without a DTL and FO

2) Shallowing out AA
You will always hit down on your irons, there is no way to get underneath them. The feeling that helps golfers more is hitting the ball then the ground.

Thanks for highlighting this distinction. A lot of threads seem to get confused about the difference.


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