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If a player had dual citizenship and chose to play for the international team instead of the U.S. during the President's Cup, would he receive flack for it?


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If a player had dual citizenship and chose to play for the international team instead of the U.S. during the President's Cup, would he receive flack for it?

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#1 IThinkSo

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:49 PM

If a tour pro had dual citizenship (one of his citizenships being U.S.), and he chose to play for the international team instead of the U.S. during the President's Cup, do you think he would receive any backlash for it?


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:51 PM

Of course he would. It's the Presidents Cup so it wouldn't reach full on Monty-levels, but of course he would.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:54 PM

In the world we live in today, if you breathe in oxygen you're going to get backlash over it.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:56 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 10 July 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

In the world we live in today, if you breathe in oxygen you're going to get backlash over it.

Oi! Go get your own damn oxygen! Hell you've got a built in ventilator thing that does a cool echoey thing and makes you sound like James Earl Jones! So don't you go bringing up oxygen!

Hmm... you seem to be right.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:27 PM

I think you'll find that quite a few players over the years would have attained US citizenship, due to the benefits it offers. Most would still identify as their native country though. I remember reading that Jason Day was looking to become a US citizen (due to his wife being American and subsequently his kids), but said he wouldn't compete for the US as it wouldn't go down well in Australia. At that point he had already represented the Intl team in the Presidents Cup. He did say it would be great to play in a Ryder Cup though.

Does anyone know what the requirements is for team Europe, USA or International? Is it citizenship, birth country, residency?


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 05:30 PM

Being a native or naturalised citizen I would assume. An additional requirement the European team has is to be a member of the European Tour.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:25 PM

Only from a segment of the population that not much is expected from anyway.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:39 PM

Depends.  If he was born in Australia and lived his whole life there but one of his parents was an American citizen, I doubt he'd get any flak at all.  Might be some if that situation was reversed but we have plenty of Olympians that compete for other countries who are American born.  Most don't catch any flak.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:42 PM

People get flak for donating hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars.  So....yes.

Not from me, but they would get it.  Lots of not so smart, not so nice people out there, ya know?

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:51 PM

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:03 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.

I think it depends on the individual and where they have spent a lot of time. Ben Simmons grew up in Australia, moving to the US in his late teens. He spent the majority of his formative years in Australia and identifies as such. Kyrie Iriving on the other hand was born in Australia, but moved to the US at a very young age, and identifies as an American.

It's always the smaller countries that would be annoyed (faux outrage) at someone for defecting to the big brother, because the smaller brother always has a chip on their shoulder. Kiwis hate that people from NZ are claimed as Australian (Russell Crowe) and in turn Aussies hate when Aussies are claimed as American (Mel Gibson - even though he was born in the US).

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 07:58 PM

Better poll would be SHOULD they receive flak for it, as whether or not they would is already known.

Personally, I am fine with non-violent  protests, and wouldn't cry over it myself.

Some call that free speech, others say it is disrespectful and abhorrent when, and only when they do not agree with whatever point said protester is trying to make.

Edited by gretch, 10 July 2018 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:24 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 10 July 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

In the world we live in today, if you breathe in oxygen you're going to get backlash over it.

Honestly you'll get backlash for breathing in a lot of other things too.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:32 PM

It would be the dumbest thing ever

Playing for the international presidents cup < a change to play for the US on the Ryder cup

Not being rude or disrespectful but the presidents cup doesn’t really mean anything

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 10:09 PM

I think a dual citizen should have the right to play for both teams. Imagine the match play portion if they drew themselves. First ball is the American ball, second the International. The player would both beat themselves and lose against themselves.

This could not only make for great TV, but would probably keep psychology grad students busy for decades.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:13 PM

If he had always been on the Euro tour then kinda could see it. Otherwise no go.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:56 AM

I would assume he would be playing for the international team because he wasn't good enough for the US team.

As already mentioned, the Ryder Cup is a much, much bigger deal.  If he plays on the international team for the President's Cup then he just gave up his opportunity to ever rep the US at any future Ryder Cups.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:21 AM

It happens in the Olympics and we manage to remain civil about it. Not an issue for me. It's a made up golf event, not anything important anyway.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:04 AM

Baddeley played in a President's Cup. He was born in the US, and has dual US / Australian citizenship. Don't think anyone complained when he played for the International Team?


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:11 AM

View Postsnizzle, on 11 July 2018 - 02:56 AM, said:

I would assume he would be playing for the international team because he wasn't good enough for the US team.

As already mentioned, the Ryder Cup is a much, much bigger deal.  If he plays on the international team for the President's Cup then he just gave up his opportunity to ever rep the US at any future Ryder Cups.

Is the poll assuming the player would have qualified for both teams? Or that he qualified for the International team but not the U.S. team?
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:35 AM

View PostNaptime, on 11 July 2018 - 06:21 AM, said:

It happens in the Olympics and we manage to remain civil about it. Not an issue for me. It's a made up golf event, not anything important anyway.

Yup. Just watch and enjoy the event!

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 11:26 AM

Thanks for all the replies, guys. To further clarify, this question assumes that the player was born in the U.S., RAISED in the U.S. and attained citizenship with a non-European country as an adult. Also, let's assume he ranked high in the world rankings and qualified to play for both teams but rejected the U.S. squad to play for the international team.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 11:27 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.

Because he couldn't make the American Team.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:01 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 11 July 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.

Because he couldn't make the American Team.

Simmons would absolutely make the US National team as early as this year and without a doubt within 2-3 years. He's a top 25 player in the NBA right now by even the most pessimistic writers.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:21 PM

If you have actual ties to the other country, I have zero issue with it.

If you were born in the U.S., grew up here, identify as as American and then play for another country because you can’t make your own team, then I think it’s a pretty weak play.  This includes the Olympics where I root against anyone who was born and raised here but has a grandmother who was born in East Timor and all of a sudden they’re Timorese.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:28 PM

Assuming he's an expatriate, adhering to the metric system in the US, he would deserve some flack, yes.
Assuming he's an expatriate, not adhering to the metric system in the US, he would not deserve flack.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:31 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 11 July 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 11 July 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.

Because he couldn't make the American Team.

Simmons would absolutely make the US National team as early as this year and without a doubt within 2-3 years. He's a top 25 player in the NBA right now by even the most pessimistic writers.

WaPo ranks him 99 in the NBA.  Of course there are internationals.  He still isn't close.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:46 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 12 July 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 11 July 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 11 July 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 10 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I believe Ben Simmons, one of the best young basketball players in the world and who has dual citizenship, recently said he would play for Australia rather than the US in international play and he wasn't too vilified for it.

Because he couldn't make the American Team.

Simmons would absolutely make the US National team as early as this year and without a doubt within 2-3 years. He's a top 25 player in the NBA right now by even the most pessimistic writers.

WaPo ranks him 99 in the NBA.  Of course there are internationals.  He still isn't close.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:53 AM

Would, or should?


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