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I feel worse for Van de Velde every time I see the replay


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:53 PM

I watched it this afternoon. Great insight into what happened. I loved seeing the old Never Compromise commercial with his getting a 6 on 18 using only their putter.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:17 PM

Most of the show was good and would have been MUCH better without the irritating stereotypical bartender and his irritating stereotypical accent. Aside from that it was a nice recap.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 01:39 PM

I get that hitting the grandstands and getting that kick is a bad break, but thatís precisely why you club down and play down the middle of a hole with a big lead.  If you squirt out to the edges of a hole thatís where big numbers come in.  Some through bad luck even.  Not much bad can happen down the middle of a hole.  Even if you chunk your 2nd and find the burn, you drop in the short grass, chip up, two putt, and itís over.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:25 PM

Watched it live & the recent special on it. Cannot get over the stupidity of it. "Carnasty" was especially fitting in '99.  Most dangerous #2i approach that never needed to happen.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:27 PM

View Postjonsnow, on 10 July 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

Jean is the real life Roy McAvoy. How many people remember who won the 99 Open?

Paul Lawrie came from 9-10 back.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:31 PM

View PostClintDagger, on 11 July 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

I get that hitting the grandstands and getting that kick is a bad break, but that's precisely why you club down and play down the middle of a hole with a big lead.  If you squirt out to the edges of a hole that's where big numbers come in.  Some through bad luck even.  Not much bad can happen down the middle of a hole.  Even if you chunk your 2nd and find the burn, you drop in the short grass, chip up, two putt, and it's over.

I agree.   Firing one right into the grandstands and then saying the result is a "bad break" is a bit ridiculous to me.  It's completely unpredictable where the ball will bounce.  

I watched the special - I was interested in what Van de Velde had to say, as well as his caddie, but the bar scenes were a waste of time and it was too drawn out.  Could have been 30 minutes without an issue.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:48 PM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 11 July 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

Most of the show was good and would have been MUCH better without the irritating stereotypical bartender and his irritating stereotypical accent. Aside from that it was a nice recap.

Yeah, that was brutal.

Although the bartender was spitting image of wifes uncle, RIP.

This guy, bet on anything. We all be out to dinner and he would leave and go cross the street to the bar and play video poker.

Also, he could eat like 2 pounds of mashed potatatoes.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:52 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 11 July 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostClintDagger, on 11 July 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

I get that hitting the grandstands and getting that kick is a bad break, but that's precisely why you club down and play down the middle of a hole with a big lead.  If you squirt out to the edges of a hole that's where big numbers come in.  Some through bad luck even.  Not much bad can happen down the middle of a hole.  Even if you chunk your 2nd and find the burn, you drop in the short grass, chip up, two putt, and it's over.

I agree.   Firing one right into the grandstands and then saying the result is a "bad break" is a bit ridiculous to me.  It's completely unpredictable where the ball will bounce.  

I watched the special - I was interested in what Van de Velde had to say, as well as his caddie, but the bar scenes were a waste of time and it was too drawn out.  Could have been 30 minutes without an issue.
Yeah 1 hole of golf doesnít need an hour documentary.  30 minutes would have been plenty.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:57 PM

i loved the show.

I honestly think he is fine with the result and his life turned out just fine.

He seems like a pretty cool guy as well..
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:06 PM

View PostGmack1973, on 10 July 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Guys i know im being pedantic but its burn....not byrne!! A burn is the word for  a small stream in Scotland. Byrne is an irish surname! Thanks👍👍

Thank God you pointed that out. Read the first few posts wondering who Byrne was. No doubt TGC and their intellectual scriptwriters had a graphic up with "Byrne" on it and everything...


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:25 PM

View PostTitleist 670, on 11 July 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostClintDagger, on 11 July 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

I get that hitting the grandstands and getting that kick is a bad break, but that's precisely why you club down and play down the middle of a hole with a big lead.  If you squirt out to the edges of a hole that's where big numbers come in.  Some through bad luck even.  Not much bad can happen down the middle of a hole.  Even if you chunk your 2nd and find the burn, you drop in the short grass, chip up, two putt, and it's over.

I agree.   Firing one right into the grandstands and then saying the result is a "bad break" is a bit ridiculous to me.  It's completely unpredictable where the ball will bounce.  

I watched the special - I was interested in what Van de Velde had to say, as well as his caddie, but the bar scenes were a waste of time and it was too drawn out.  Could have been 30 minutes without an issue.

Exactly.I remember my friend right next to me yelling at the tv in the club saying "WTF is he doing ???just hit wedge wedge and you win you effin idiot!!!!" Worst decision he made and i blame the caddie. i would have tackled my friend/pro if he tried to hit a 2 iron in that situation. Full tin cup break all his clubs except his wedges and 8-9 iron. He gutted out that putt to get into the playoff but we all knew he was cooked. you dont recover from that

Harrington is lucky Sergio lipped out on 18 in 2007 or he would have his own special... who knows if he wins another 2 majors after that or 1 for that matter! he butchered that 18th almost as bad as vandevelde

Edited by lowheel, 11 July 2018 - 09:28 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:31 PM

It was sad to watch when it happened and to see him literally have a mental breakdown while trying to be as cool as a cucumber was very sad . Not to hit two wedges off of his drive and two putts and get out of there was pure craziness. How he can put such a brave face on it is beyond me . He does not play anymore and is divorced so I assume it pretty much ruined his life .
As to the program it should only have ran for thirty minutes, it was good tv but for the Barman .
But there will be more fun from Carnoustie next week.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:42 PM

View Postkgeorge78, on 11 July 2018 - 08:57 PM, said:

i loved the show.

I honestly think he is fine with the result and his life turned out just fine.

He seems like a pretty cool guy as well..
I agree.  I think heís a well rounded enough person that he didnít let it ruin his life and I think heís a happy & content person.  But I bet he will always be haunted by it in some way.  Itís all about putting something like that in the proper perspective and I think he did that.  That doesnít mean he doesnít sit back and reflect on it and really kick himself.  I mean he has to, right?

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:38 PM

Helluva putt he made to make the playoff though...

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:48 PM

I’m actually watching it now he should’ve pitched out sideways on his third shot. It’s easy for me to say from my couch two glasses of wine down. I have to say I do like his attitude. He seems to have taken it in stride.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 04:04 AM

You have to give Van de Velde respect and credit for how he handled the loss.



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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:25 AM

This moment is the JFK assassination of golf.   Everyone remembers where they were and what they were up to when they saw it play out on TV for the first time.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:38 AM

He still had a chance to redeem himself in the playoff.  Wasn't meant to be.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:39 AM

View Postjonsnow, on 10 July 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

Jean is the real life Roy McAvoy. How many people remember who won the 99 Open?

What is the population of Scotland? ;-)

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 07:41 AM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 12 July 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

This moment is the JFK assassination of golf.   Everyone remembers where they were and what they were up to when they saw it play out on TV for the first time.

Van de Velde played in the '86 Masters?


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 08:07 AM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 12 July 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

This moment is the JFK assassination of golf.   Everyone remembers where they were and what they were up to when they saw it play out on TV for the first time.

Interesting you say that. I didn't see the final hole in it's entirety live because the JFK Jr plane crash had just occurred & the local affiliates cut away for a breaking news update. I can't remember if it was to announce that the plane was lost or if they had found the wreckage (the crash actually occurred July 16, 1999). I saw Van de Velde hit his tee shot & apparently get away with it, then they cut away to the news. When they came back he was standing in the burn & I could not figure out what happened.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 09:31 AM

View Postlowheel, on 11 July 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostTitleist 670, on 11 July 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

View PostClintDagger, on 11 July 2018 - 01:39 PM, said:

I get that hitting the grandstands and getting that kick is a bad break, but that's precisely why you club down and play down the middle of a hole with a big lead.  If you squirt out to the edges of a hole that's where big numbers come in.  Some through bad luck even.  Not much bad can happen down the middle of a hole.  Even if you chunk your 2nd and find the burn, you drop in the short grass, chip up, two putt, and it's over.

I agree.   Firing one right into the grandstands and then saying the result is a "bad break" is a bit ridiculous to me.  It's completely unpredictable where the ball will bounce.  

I watched the special - I was interested in what Van de Velde had to say, as well as his caddie, but the bar scenes were a waste of time and it was too drawn out.  Could have been 30 minutes without an issue.

Exactly.I remember my friend right next to me yelling at the tv in the club saying "WTF is he doing ???just hit wedge wedge and you win you effin idiot!!!!" Worst decision he made and i blame the caddie. i would have tackled my friend/pro if he tried to hit a 2 iron in that situation. Full tin cup break all his clubs except his wedges and 8-9 iron. He gutted out that putt to get into the playoff but we all knew he was cooked. you dont recover from that

Harrington is lucky Sergio lipped out on 18 in 2007 or he would have his own special... who knows if he wins another 2 majors after that or 1 for that matter! he butchered that 18th almost as bad as vandevelde

With you on his caddie's role in this.  Based on the lead he had, the caddie needs to get his head straight on the 18th tee.  Who cares if you bogey the hole or even make double for that matter.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:13 AM

Canít watch crap like that.  Have no desire to see a man kicked continuously.... a man who likely is tormented for the rest of his life.  Really no way to get up in the morning and not think of that day .  When you work your whole life for something and then have it in hand and throw it away.  It isnít something you get over. You just build walls around it and try to go through the Motions everyday.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:30 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 11 July 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

View Postjonsnow, on 10 July 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

Jean is the real life Roy McAvoy. How many people remember who won the 99 Open?

Paul Lawrie came from 9-10 back.

His 67 on Sunday is unfortunately forgotten in the JVV saga.  If not for the spectacular way JVV melted down, Lawrie's 67 might be regarded as one of the all time great Sunday rounds in major history.  I think the stroke average that day was something like 75 or 76.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:34 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 July 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

Can't watch crap like that.  Have no desire to see a man kicked continuously.... a man who likely is tormented for the rest of his life.  Really no way to get up in the morning and not think of that day .  When you work your whole life for something and then have it in hand and throw it away.  It isn't something you get over. You just build walls around it and try to go through the Motions everyday.

You should watch it, blade. It's not a hit piece. Especially if you did not see the tournament (I didn't)

They give a great day by day on how he played that week and insight into his character and style He in interviewed at length and seems happy to sit and discuss it. He seems to be in a good place with it now. And the caddie interviews are great.

Also, you get perspective on Lawrie and his rounds, especially the last one and how he stepped up in the round and playoff. The interviews with the players and announcers provide insight into how crazy intense that moment was and how much everybody felt for the guy. Seems like everybody was so spent, nobody, not even the announcers remembers that playoff.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 01:55 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 12 July 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 12 July 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

Can't watch crap like that.  Have no desire to see a man kicked continuously.... a man who likely is tormented for the rest of his life.  Really no way to get up in the morning and not think of that day .  When you work your whole life for something and then have it in hand and throw it away.  It isn't something you get over. You just build walls around it and try to go through the Motions everyday.

You should watch it, blade. It's not a hit piece. Especially if you did not see the tournament (I didn't)

They give a great day by day on how he played that week and insight into his character and style He in interviewed at length and seems happy to sit and discuss it. He seems to be in a good place with it now. And the caddie interviews are great.

Also, you get perspective on Lawrie and his rounds, especially the last one and how he stepped up in the round and playoff. The interviews with the players and announcers provide insight into how crazy intense that moment was and how much everybody felt for the guy. Seems like everybody was so spent, nobody, not even the announcers remembers that playoff.
Well. I may give it a shot since he is interviewed for it . If heís willing to comply maybe itís for the good.  I just had no desire to see it rehashed for the wow factor anymore than I already had.  Thanks for the info.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:20 PM

View Posteagle1997, on 10 July 2018 - 08:23 AM, said:

you guys ever see the commercial where he replays that hole with only a putter?  and makes a 6?

Never Compromise putter commerical.  He tried it three times, made a 9, then 8, then a 6 on his 3rd attempt.  Getting over the burn on his third shot was key!

Felt bad for the guy at the time, but such is life...it goes on.  I am sure Van de Velde would be the first to tell you better to have loved once than not at all.  He couldn't play the next time at Carnoustie because he had a weird virus that knocked him down for months; thought it could be bone cancer. But he bounced back a little and won a Euro tour event later.

He's done alright and has a crazy memory forever.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:30 PM

I had totally forgotten about Craig Parry holing out the bunker shot right before VDV played his 6th shot from the bunker.  That entire sequence is surreal.  His real mistake was the third shot.  Play it sideways back toward the fairway, pitch on, two-putt for the win.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 03:09 PM

It is unnecessary to speculate about what "should have done", it is enough to understand the cosmic truth of the matter--it was the 20th century, he was French, and of course he lost.   Universal historical truths are often cruel in their inevitability.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:51 PM

For all the bad breaks Iíve gotten in golf or have heard stories of, this one is so crazy that itís still unbelievable this many years later.  Makes you start thinking about fate.


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