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Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:52 AM

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:27 AM

View PostBottleCap, on 11 July 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

It's the guys with a flatter swing. The guys that look more upright like Phil and Bubba put it all over the place

I was going to say the same thing - Dufner came to my mind.  An upright swing makes it easier to hit a draw or fade, but a flat swing makes it really hard to hit a fade.
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:41 AM

Zach Johnson.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:28 PM

Despite the unique swing, I’d have to say Jim Furyk. Watching the highlights from his 58, he just hits it like 270 in the fairway, puts an 80% swing on an iron, and putts. He doesn’t go at a swing that takes him off balance, and he doesn’t try to finesse unnecessarily.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:36 PM

Furyk or Donald.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:41 PM

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

His mirror image would be Kenny Perry. Also a very, very simple game. Hits nothing but mid-height to high draws. That's it.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:19 PM

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

His mirror image would be Kenny Perry. Also a very, very simple game. Hits nothing but mid-height to high draws. That's it.

Pretty much. Both guys could put the clubs away for 3-4 months show up hit 20-25 balls and shoot 69. its maddening

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:42 PM

View Postlowheel, on 11 July 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

His mirror image would be Kenny Perry. Also a very, very simple game. Hits nothing but mid-height to high draws. That's it.

Pretty much. Both guys could put the clubs away for 3-4 months show up hit 20-25 balls and shoot 69. its maddening

Never met Lietzke, but Kenny Perry is a genuinely great dude. He played in Pernice's charity event last year at our club and I chatted him up. Played a hole with us and we had a great time. Very interested in what you have to say. Listens and actually engages with you.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:43 PM

Any answer other than Stricker is wrong.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:52 PM

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 06:42 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 11 July 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

His mirror image would be Kenny Perry. Also a very, very simple game. Hits nothing but mid-height to high draws. That's it.

Pretty much. Both guys could put the clubs away for 3-4 months show up hit 20-25 balls and shoot 69. its maddening

Never met Lietzke, but Kenny Perry is a genuinely great dude. He played in Pernice's charity event last year at our club and I chatted him up. Played a hole with us and we had a great time. Very interested in what you have to say. Listens and actually engages with you.

I watched lietzke play at the canadian open in the early 90s for 2 days (saturday/sunday) and he almost won. Cant remember if he finished 5th or 6th but he literally missed 4 shots in 2 days. Lots of 35 foot 2 putts. Stress free golf.
I actually got to play with Kenny Perry 12 years ago in jupiter and the guy was hitting it 325 every hole with a push draw in his 40s!!!. Ridiculous consistency. Tremendous footwork.Very underrated players and almost shocking these 2 guys dont have a few majors between them. Perry was obviously closer to those than lietzke. Super nice guy as you said, not a fake bone in his body. A real southern gentleman.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:13 PM

View PostRichieHunt, on 10 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

Most players on Tour hit one type of shot almost all of the time.  There's not a lot of working it, particularly these days as the ball spins less and it's more difficult to curve it.  I mean, you don't see Rory hitting many fades unless he hits a bad drive and has to get around the woods.

As far as ability, I would vote for Ben Crane.  I'm not saying he's completely untalented, but he's made more money and won far more times than players with far more incredible talent and athleticism.  His mentality out on the course is something to aspire to.  He has a quality sense of urgency without being impatient and irrational and can take poor play in stride while having a great sense of believing in himself.  
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Hey Richie,

That is just not my experience watching at least half the tour pros out there. There are plenty who play the same shot most of the time, but there are an equal number who hit different shots to different pins.

And, there's a big, big difference between a mid-height 15-yard draw to a back-left pin and a high, quicker-stopping, 3-yard draw to a front right pin. Even though they are both "draws," they are completely different shots in planning, set-up, execution, and flight.

I play with Tour pros literally all the time (and I know you have plenty of experience with them as well). Here are some examples:

Rickie: Likes to cut the ball or hit it straight

Phil (only played with/around him a few times): Always doing something with the ball. Almost every time is hitting a "shot" of some kind. Higher, lower, cutting it, drawing it. Stopping it faster, making it release.

Pernice: Same as Phil to a lesser extent. Always doing a little bit of something with the ball. Prefers to bring it in from the right to left pins. Hits it a bit lower to back pins. Higher and with cut to front pins. Definitely a shotmaker with his irons. Prefers a cut with the driver, but has dabbled with the draw.

Dougherty (web.com): Likes to play shots with his irons. Moves it around and will move it both ways a bit. Hits high, straight BOMBS with the driver. Amazing to behold.

Chin (web.com): Plays MOSTLY one shot (straightish), but if circumstances dictate, will alter shots -- especially to front pins, downwind.

I guess much of it is in the definition what is and is not a "different" shot....

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:37 PM

Nicklaus for sure.  Used the same swing with every club.  Had a good track record of success.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:59 PM

Steve Stricker hands down .

Older generation Lee Trevino , he could move a golf ball any way he wanted too everyday.

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:26 PM

I'd also say Molinari, not the prettiest of swing out there but damn it works
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:31 AM

Corey pavin.  I think he layed up on every hole he ever played,  and scrambled from there.   If he birdied it's because he hit the center of the green by catching it flush.


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Posted 12 July 2018 - 05:36 AM

Tiger.

Hits driver when he sees a blonde bimbo in the gallery,  makes bogey or par.

Everything else hits 2 iron and makes birdie

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 06:10 AM

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostRichieHunt, on 10 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

Most players on Tour hit one type of shot almost all of the time.  There's not a lot of working it, particularly these days as the ball spins less and it's more difficult to curve it.  I mean, you don't see Rory hitting many fades unless he hits a bad drive and has to get around the woods.

As far as ability, I would vote for Ben Crane.  I'm not saying he's completely untalented, but he's made more money and won far more times than players with far more incredible talent and athleticism.  His mentality out on the course is something to aspire to.  He has a quality sense of urgency without being impatient and irrational and can take poor play in stride while having a great sense of believing in himself.  
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Hey Richie,

That is just not my experience watching at least half the tour pros out there. There are plenty who play the same shot most of the time, but there are an equal number who hit different shots to different pins.

And, there's a big, big difference between a mid-height 15-yard draw to a back-left pin and a high, quicker-stopping, 3-yard draw to a front right pin. Even though they are both "draws," they are completely different shots in planning, set-up, execution, and flight.

I play with Tour pros literally all the time (and I know you have plenty of experience with them as well). Here are some examples:

Rickie: Likes to cut the ball or hit it straight

Phil (only played with/around him a few times): Always doing something with the ball. Almost every time is hitting a "shot" of some kind. Higher, lower, cutting it, drawing it. Stopping it faster, making it release.

Pernice: Same as Phil to a lesser extent. Always doing a little bit of something with the ball. Prefers to bring it in from the right to left pins. Hits it a bit lower to back pins. Higher and with cut to front pins. Definitely a shotmaker with his irons. Prefers a cut with the driver, but has dabbled with the draw.

Dougherty (web.com): Likes to play shots with his irons. Moves it around and will move it both ways a bit. Hits high, straight BOMBS with the driver. Amazing to behold.

Chin (web.com): Plays MOSTLY one shot (straightish), but if circumstances dictate, will alter shots -- especially to front pins, downwind.

I guess much of it is in the definition what is and is not a "different" shot....

Some of those I expect.

I guess the answer I'm looking for is more how they talked about Brad Faxon having a non-tour level ball striking ability, but his putting was good he made up for it.

In today's game, it's probably more difficult to identify a player who only can hit one shot.  Meaning, not prefers a fade, but can't hit a draw, (so Kenny Perry probably fits this type, just in reverse) or not really good at flop shots, literally bumps and runs everything or Texas wedges.

With a quick glance at the money list, I would think of a guy like Brian Gay could be a guy where someone says, he doesn't hit that far, his game is more within his putting.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:25 AM

View Postsmashdn, on 11 July 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

JB Holmes.  I can't recall ever seeing a ball of his intentionally moving right to left.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:41 AM

No one has mentioned Rocco Mediate? Very simple swing.

I'd also nominate Jhonny Vegas.  Doesn't he just hit a basically strait ball? Doesn't seem to work it one way or the other.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:00 PM

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

One of the all time great swings. There was an interview where Ben Crenshaw talked about how Bruce was one of the more athletic players he ever encountered and had more talent than people gave him credit for.

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:19 PM

View Postgators78, on 12 July 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

One of the all time great swings. There was an interview where Ben Crenshaw talked about how Bruce was one of the more athletic players he ever encountered and had more talent than people gave him credit for.

Yeah, in his later years Bruce kinda looked like Kevin from the television show (American version) The Office. Double chin and all that. But, like Lietzke, Kevin is a pretty good athlete. If you've never watched the episode where they play basketball in the warehouse, it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen....

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:56 PM

View Postplayar32, on 12 July 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostRichieHunt, on 10 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

Most players on Tour hit one type of shot almost all of the time.  There's not a lot of working it, particularly these days as the ball spins less and it's more difficult to curve it.  I mean, you don't see Rory hitting many fades unless he hits a bad drive and has to get around the woods.

As far as ability, I would vote for Ben Crane.  I'm not saying he's completely untalented, but he's made more money and won far more times than players with far more incredible talent and athleticism.  His mentality out on the course is something to aspire to.  He has a quality sense of urgency without being impatient and irrational and can take poor play in stride while having a great sense of believing in himself.  
RH

Hey Richie,

That is just not my experience watching at least half the tour pros out there. There are plenty who play the same shot most of the time, but there are an equal number who hit different shots to different pins.

And, there's a big, big difference between a mid-height 15-yard draw to a back-left pin and a high, quicker-stopping, 3-yard draw to a front right pin. Even though they are both "draws," they are completely different shots in planning, set-up, execution, and flight.

I play with Tour pros literally all the time (and I know you have plenty of experience with them as well). Here are some examples:

Rickie: Likes to cut the ball or hit it straight

Phil (only played with/around him a few times): Always doing something with the ball. Almost every time is hitting a "shot" of some kind. Higher, lower, cutting it, drawing it. Stopping it faster, making it release.

Pernice: Same as Phil to a lesser extent. Always doing a little bit of something with the ball. Prefers to bring it in from the right to left pins. Hits it a bit lower to back pins. Higher and with cut to front pins. Definitely a shotmaker with his irons. Prefers a cut with the driver, but has dabbled with the draw.

Dougherty (web.com): Likes to play shots with his irons. Moves it around and will move it both ways a bit. Hits high, straight BOMBS with the driver. Amazing to behold.

Chin (web.com): Plays MOSTLY one shot (straightish), but if circumstances dictate, will alter shots -- especially to front pins, downwind.

I guess much of it is in the definition what is and is not a "different" shot....

Some of those I expect.

I guess the answer I'm looking for is more how they talked about Brad Faxon having a non-tour level ball striking ability, but his putting was good he made up for it.

In today's game, it's probably more difficult to identify a player who only can hit one shot.  Meaning, not prefers a fade, but can't hit a draw, (so Kenny Perry probably fits this type, just in reverse) or not really good at flop shots, literally bumps and runs everything or Texas wedges.

With a quick glance at the money list, I would think of a guy like Brian Gay could be a guy where someone says, he doesn't hit that far, his game is more within his putting.
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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:37 PM

View PostBrianMcG, on 10 July 2018 - 06:52 AM, said:

Bruce Lietzke. Only ever hit a fade. He once said, "If I have to hit a wedge off the tee and a 3 wood for a second shot in order to play my fade, I'll do it. "

This guy sounds like me lol

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 02:44 PM

Westwood has won like $50MM with no short game/putter

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Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:37 PM

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Posted 13 July 2018 - 09:50 PM

View Postsmashdn, on 11 July 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

JB Holmes.  I can't recall ever seeing a ball of his intentionally moving right to left.

Can't be JB... anybody that labors that much in thought over a golf shot can't have a simple game...right?
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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:21 AM

The chap that lost all the weight, then put some on again.
Chews tobacco.
Waggles the club.

Can never think of his name.

Edit - Jason Dufner

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:30 AM

View PostBooker, on 10 July 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

Lehman
pretty well works a trap draw with everything. I followed him a couple rounds in Calgary and I saw the same 15yrd draw every shot outside 80yrds.
Now that you mentioned trap draw I would have to include Rocco Mediate even though he does not play the regular tour anymore
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Posted 14 July 2018 - 01:33 AM

View Postplayar32, on 12 July 2018 - 06:10 AM, said:

View PostObee, on 11 July 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostRichieHunt, on 10 July 2018 - 12:21 PM, said:

Most players on Tour hit one type of shot almost all of the time.  There's not a lot of working it, particularly these days as the ball spins less and it's more difficult to curve it.  I mean, you don't see Rory hitting many fades unless he hits a bad drive and has to get around the woods.

As far as ability, I would vote for Ben Crane.  I'm not saying he's completely untalented, but he's made more money and won far more times than players with far more incredible talent and athleticism.  His mentality out on the course is something to aspire to.  He has a quality sense of urgency without being impatient and irrational and can take poor play in stride while having a great sense of believing in himself.  
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Hey Richie,

That is just not my experience watching at least half the tour pros out there. There are plenty who play the same shot most of the time, but there are an equal number who hit different shots to different pins.

And, there's a big, big difference between a mid-height 15-yard draw to a back-left pin and a high, quicker-stopping, 3-yard draw to a front right pin. Even though they are both "draws," they are completely different shots in planning, set-up, execution, and flight.

I play with Tour pros literally all the time (and I know you have plenty of experience with them as well). Here are some examples:

Rickie: Likes to cut the ball or hit it straight

Phil (only played with/around him a few times): Always doing something with the ball. Almost every time is hitting a "shot" of some kind. Higher, lower, cutting it, drawing it. Stopping it faster, making it release.

Pernice: Same as Phil to a lesser extent. Always doing a little bit of something with the ball. Prefers to bring it in from the right to left pins. Hits it a bit lower to back pins. Higher and with cut to front pins. Definitely a shotmaker with his irons. Prefers a cut with the driver, but has dabbled with the draw.

Dougherty (web.com): Likes to play shots with his irons. Moves it around and will move it both ways a bit. Hits high, straight BOMBS with the driver. Amazing to behold.

Chin (web.com): Plays MOSTLY one shot (straightish), but if circumstances dictate, will alter shots -- especially to front pins, downwind.

I guess much of it is in the definition what is and is not a "different" shot....

Some of those I expect.

I guess the answer I'm looking for is more how they talked about Brad Faxon having a non-tour level ball striking ability, but his putting was good he made up for it.

In today's game, it's probably more difficult to identify a player who only can hit one shot.  Meaning, not prefers a fade, but can't hit a draw, (so Kenny Perry probably fits this type, just in reverse) or not really good at flop shots, literally bumps and runs everything or Texas wedges.

With a quick glance at the money list, I would think of a guy like Brian Gay could be a guy where someone says, he doesn't hit that far, his game is more within his putting.
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Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:18 AM

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