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Posted 06 July 2018 - 04:48 AM

Low 90s and use a Ping G Max set at 9* with a regular flex shaft.  It hits high low spin bombs.  I get plenty of roll out.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:44 AM

90-95 SS.  Cobra f6 set to 11.5 degrees.  Regular flex.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 10:10 AM

90 MPH SS
2017 M1 10.5 set at 11.25, weights set neutral
Aldila Rogue Silver 60, R flex, tipped 1/2"

Nice medium-high launch with just enough spin to turn it over. Carry 225 and runs for days on a firm fairway.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 10:24 AM

98-102 mph ss and Iím playing a Rogue 9* set to 10* with the Even Flow blue 5.5 at 45.25 in.  I took it into my local shop and the shaft is actually 5.8 fcm which is closer to stiff than regular.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 10:34 AM

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98-102 mph ss and I'm playing a Rogue 9* set to 10* with the Even Flow blue 5.5 at 45.25 in.  I took it into my local shop and the shaft is actually 5.8 fcm which is closer to stiff than regular.

... I have the same swing speed and 98-102 is certainly well above average let alone considered "slow swing speed". But I am playing something very similar. I have a Rogue SZ I picked up on Ebay with the Even Flow Blue 5.5 but I removed the adaptor and tipped it 1" to play closer to a stiff than a regular as well as bringing the length down to 44.5" my preferred playing length. Ordered the 17gm weight from Billy Bobs and so far so good but not sure it is any better than my F8+ with an Even Flow Blue 6.0 at 44.5".

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:31 AM

Under 90 mph swing:  currently playing a Taylormade r7 CGB Max driver at 10.5* which is mostly accurate with good distance...can't beat $40 for a driver.  Just found a Callaway Razr Fit Xtreme at 9.5* - seemed really accurate and long on the store LM - we'll see.  Previously played a Callaway BB Fusion driver at 13.5* which was very good but really short so I'm thinking high loft doesn't work for me.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:38 AM

I couldn't hit a driver when I had a 25-year-old's swing speed.

Not if I wanted to find the ball.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:29 PM

View Postlawsonman, on 05 July 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 05 July 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

View Postgdb99, on 05 July 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

What's the definition of slow swing speed?

On this forum? Anything under 130 mph.

This deserves more than 1 like.

It's what he craves. ;)
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:31 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

View Postlawsonman, on 05 July 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 05 July 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

View Postgdb99, on 05 July 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

What's the definition of slow swing speed?

On this forum? Anything under 130 mph.

This deserves more than 1 like.

It's what he craves. ;)

No, what I crave is a consistently good golf swing. :-)
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:46 PM

View Postchisag, on 06 July 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

View PostUofU02, on 06 July 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

98-102 mph ss and I'm playing a Rogue 9* set to 10* with the Even Flow blue 5.5 at 45.25 in.  I took it into my local shop and the shaft is actually 5.8 fcm which is closer to stiff than regular.

... I have the same swing speed and 98-102 is certainly well above average let alone considered "slow swing speed". But I am playing something very similar. I have a Rogue SZ I picked up on Ebay with the Even Flow Blue 5.5 but I removed the adaptor and tipped it 1" to play closer to a stiff than a regular as well as bringing the length down to 44.5" my preferred playing length. Ordered the 17gm weight from Billy Bobs and so far so good but not sure it is any better than my F8+ with an Even Flow Blue 6.0 at 44.5".

Yeah, I realize Iím probably above average but here on the WRX average is a relative term.  For years I played a FlyZ+ with the Red Tie out of a Bio Cell in Stiff flex and loved it.  I think it goes to the truly minute differnces in shafts at any swing speed.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:57 PM

... As far as WRX studs are concerned, there are certainly some out there. But I remember a poster on another forum years ago complaining that his Speeder 757 was just too loose and he was asking whether or not he should tip it and re-install.  We played in an outing I organized and I put him in my 4some to give him some advice after I watched him swing. He hit a weak fade that never traveled more than 200 yds, quite a bit shy of the 300 yd drives he talked about on the forum. It was then I learned to take forum members with a grain of salt until they proved otherwise. Again, I have seen some very high swing speeds from WRX members, but to think 98-102 is slow because so many claim much higher swing speeds here just isn't very accurate. In the real world you have a high swing speed. :good:
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:07 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:

Out of curiosity but where does your 2.5 factor come from?

Not trying to be smart or anything, just curious as that seems a bit high to me.  If I bump it down to 2.3,2.4 range is more where I am at.

I play my drivers at 44.25" and last time checked on Trackman had driver smash factors of 1.48-1.51 so I am right around center contact most of the time.  Play to a 10 cap and driving is one of my strong suits even though a short knocker of the ball.    

I used to have access to hit on monitors all the time and my driver swing speed spending on shaft length and such always ranged from 88-92 mph.  By the 2.5 factor, that means I should carry the ball 220-230 which I know I do not do.  What sea level are you talking about?  I am in OH.  As mentioned above according to Game Golf my total drives avg 223 and the typical throwing out bad drives is usually low 230's. I feel like I am pretty maxed out for my swing speed.  By your math if I should be carrying the ball 220-230 that would mean I should get rollout to 240-250+.  Granted I do sometimes see drives in the 240-270 range but those are usually downhill or wind aided.  
Also I have tried several shafts as I have access to a fitting cart and keep coming back to the HZRDUS T800 as it produces a nice height, good rollout and good dispersion for me.

I guess I am just trying to find out if i am leaving yardage on the table.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:25 PM

super slow swing speed here due to shoulder surgeries, low 80's. I have tried everything (fittings and clubs) and randomly picked up a SLDR-C off used rack and kill that cheap thing with the stock 58 gram shaft. I had zero intentions of buying, I was just messing around. Well, that was almost 3 years ago and still hitting it.....


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 02:41 PM

damn, I thought 95 mph was average, i guess not hahah

i use a 2016 9.5* M2 set at 60* lie, with a 44.75" 60g Adila Rogue Silver in Stiff

usually average 240 with roll, but good strikes go 260 with roll.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 03:01 PM

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:

Out of curiosity but where does your 2.5 factor come from?

Not trying to be smart or anything, just curious as that seems a bit high to me.  If I bump it down to 2.3,2.4 range is more where I am at.

I play my drivers at 44.25" and last time checked on Trackman had driver smash factors of 1.48-1.51 so I am right around center contact most of the time.  Play to a 10 cap and driving is one of my strong suits even though a short knocker of the ball.

I used to have access to hit on monitors all the time and my driver swing speed spending on shaft length and such always ranged from 88-92 mph.  By the 2.5 factor, that means I should carry the ball 220-230 which I know I do not do.  What sea level are you talking about?  I am in OH.  As mentioned above according to Game Golf my total drives avg 223 and the typical throwing out bad drives is usually low 230's. I feel like I am pretty maxed out for my swing speed.  By your math if I should be carrying the ball 220-230 that would mean I should get rollout to 240-250+.  Granted I do sometimes see drives in the 240-270 range but those are usually downhill or wind aided.  
Also I have tried several shafts as I have access to a fitting cart and keep coming back to the HZRDUS T800 as it produces a nice height, good rollout and good dispersion for me.

I guess I am just trying to find out if i am leaving yardage on the table.

2.5 has always been pretty accurate even back before everybody was getting launch monitors.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 03:18 PM

I'll buy 2.5 yards/mph if it includes a modest rollout of 20-25 yards.

Without wind or slope I do not think I have ever carried a shot more than 210 yards. Yet I know from launch monitors I can swing all day at 88-89mph, maybe a bit more on occasion. There's a 4mph/10-yard discrepancy there, at least.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 03:44 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 06 July 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

I'll buy 2.5 yards/mph if it includes a modest rollout of 20-25 yards.

Without wind or slope I do not think I have ever carried a shot more than 210 yards. Yet I know from launch monitors I can swing all day at 88-89mph, maybe a bit more on occasion. There's a 4mph/10-yard discrepancy there, at least.

He stated above 2.5 is the carry number.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 03:46 PM

View Postdplasters, on 06 July 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

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Guess the LPGA is leaving 21 yds of carry on the table as 94mph x 2.5 = 235.

Edited by erock9174, 06 July 2018 - 03:47 PM.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 03:51 PM

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 06 July 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

I'll buy 2.5 yards/mph if it includes a modest rollout of 20-25 yards.

Without wind or slope I do not think I have ever carried a shot more than 210 yards. Yet I know from launch monitors I can swing all day at 88-89mph, maybe a bit more on occasion. There's a 4mph/10-yard discrepancy there, at least.

He stated above 2.5 is the carry number.

Which I think is incorrect.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 04:57 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 06 July 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

View PostNorth Butte, on 06 July 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

I'll buy 2.5 yards/mph if it includes a modest rollout of 20-25 yards.

Without wind or slope I do not think I have ever carried a shot more than 210 yards. Yet I know from launch monitors I can swing all day at 88-89mph, maybe a bit more on occasion. There's a 4mph/10-yard discrepancy there, at least.

He stated above 2.5 is the carry number.

Which I think is incorrect.

And it probably is. That 2.5 number has been around a long time and with the advancement of the golf ball it probably isn't as accurate as it once was. Back when I was really into club building in the early 90's it was a pretty good number. It was a guess, but it held pretty true in most cases.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:33 PM

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:

Out of curiosity but where does your 2.5 factor come from?

Not trying to be smart or anything, just curious as that seems a bit high to me.  If I bump it down to 2.3,2.4 range is more where I am at.

I play my drivers at 44.25" and last time checked on Trackman had driver smash factors of 1.48-1.51 so I am right around center contact most of the time.  Play to a 10 cap and driving is one of my strong suits even though a short knocker of the ball.

I used to have access to hit on monitors all the time and my driver swing speed spending on shaft length and such always ranged from 88-92 mph.  By the 2.5 factor, that means I should carry the ball 220-230 which I know I do not do.  What sea level are you talking about?  I am in OH.  As mentioned above according to Game Golf my total drives avg 223 and the typical throwing out bad drives is usually low 230's. I feel like I am pretty maxed out for my swing speed.  By your math if I should be carrying the ball 220-230 that would mean I should get rollout to 240-250+.  Granted I do sometimes see drives in the 240-270 range but those are usually downhill or wind aided.
  
Also I have tried several shafts as I have access to a fitting cart and keep coming back to the HZRDUS T800 as it produces a nice height, good rollout and good dispersion for me.

I guess I am just trying to find out if i am leaving yardage on the table.

As lawsonman already suggested it's been a "general guidline" for a while now although I confess *I* got that number from reading here on WRX and it seems to fit me very well.

93 MPH SS X 1.47 smash factor (highest I've seen) = 137 MPH ball speed. If you plug that into flightscope (with 2300 RPM spin) = 229 carry.

What kind of spin rate are you getting with that T800 ?
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:24 PM

I'm 70 years old and definitely have a slow swing speed.  I've been playing a Rogue Draw with a lite shaft and 10.5 degree loft.  I previously played an Epic with the same shaft and loft.  The Rogue is 20 yards longer and allowed me to eliminate my slice and get much more consistent "in the fairway" drives.  I'm really pleased with the Rogue and what it has done for my game.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:32 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:

Out of curiosity but where does your 2.5 factor come from?

Not trying to be smart or anything, just curious as that seems a bit high to me.  If I bump it down to 2.3,2.4 range is more where I am at.

I play my drivers at 44.25" and last time checked on Trackman had driver smash factors of 1.48-1.51 so I am right around center contact most of the time.  Play to a 10 cap and driving is one of my strong suits even though a short knocker of the ball.

I used to have access to hit on monitors all the time and my driver swing speed spending on shaft length and such always ranged from 88-92 mph.  By the 2.5 factor, that means I should carry the ball 220-230 which I know I do not do.  What sea level are you talking about?  I am in OH.  As mentioned above according to Game Golf my total drives avg 223 and the typical throwing out bad drives is usually low 230's. I feel like I am pretty maxed out for my swing speed.  By your math if I should be carrying the ball 220-230 that would mean I should get rollout to 240-250+.  Granted I do sometimes see drives in the 240-270 range but those are usually downhill or wind aided.
  
Also I have tried several shafts as I have access to a fitting cart and keep coming back to the HZRDUS T800 as it produces a nice height, good rollout and good dispersion for me.

I guess I am just trying to find out if i am leaving yardage on the table.

As lawsonman already suggested it's been a "general guidline" for a while now although I confess *I* got that number from reading here on WRX and it seems to fit me very well.

93 MPH SS X 1.47 smash factor (highest I've seen) = 137 MPH ball speed. If you plug that into flightscope (with 2300 RPM spin) = 229 carry.

What kind of spin rate are you getting with that T800 ?

To get 229 carry, you would have to launch at 18*, which is really high. For a more typical launch (12-14*), you would see 10-18 yards less carry.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:41 PM

View PostTNGolfGeek, on 06 July 2018 - 08:32 PM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

View Posterock9174, on 06 July 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 06 July 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

You really need to look around this site. There is a plethora of information. Check out flightscope.com Start with Ball speed of about 130 (approx 86 mph) and vertical launch of between 14-18*.

Generally speaking, on a very good center strike you should be carrying the ball about 2.5 times your swing speed. (Rollout depends on angle of descent and spin rate).

If you're not carrying it that far,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The shaft doesn't work for you.

The club HEAD doesn't work for you.

You're not hitting the center of the face. THIS is why shorter shafts go "farther". They DON'T BUT it's easier to hit the center with a shorter shaft so you average drive is longer and straighter than the previous crooked ones.

You hit the driver with too much spin. (One seldom hits the driver with too little spin although that certainly IS possible).

You need lessons.


A shaft that is too light may cause you problems finding the center of the face. A shaft that is too heavy may give you more consistent center contact but my scrub too many MPH off your SS to be optimal.

Stiffness is a variable and being "off" 1 flex shouldn't matter very much because even today, one manufacturer's "S" might be another manufacturer's "R". Even shafts of the same manufacturer, style AND weight class might have an "S" and an "R" that are, for all intents and purposes, the SAME shaft.

As an example I swing right around 92-93 and carry it about 230 or a little further. I hit a Hzrdus Black 6.0 (stiff). I was always a high spin player even after I "fixed" my swing. The Hzrdus Black scrubs a LOT of rpms off of the ball. The Fusion head is about the most forgiving around.

Hope this helps. :hi:

Out of curiosity but where does your 2.5 factor come from?

Not trying to be smart or anything, just curious as that seems a bit high to me.  If I bump it down to 2.3,2.4 range is more where I am at.

I play my drivers at 44.25" and last time checked on Trackman had driver smash factors of 1.48-1.51 so I am right around center contact most of the time.  Play to a 10 cap and driving is one of my strong suits even though a short knocker of the ball.

I used to have access to hit on monitors all the time and my driver swing speed spending on shaft length and such always ranged from 88-92 mph.  By the 2.5 factor, that means I should carry the ball 220-230 which I know I do not do.  What sea level are you talking about?  I am in OH.  As mentioned above according to Game Golf my total drives avg 223 and the typical throwing out bad drives is usually low 230's. I feel like I am pretty maxed out for my swing speed.  By your math if I should be carrying the ball 220-230 that would mean I should get rollout to 240-250+.  Granted I do sometimes see drives in the 240-270 range but those are usually downhill or wind aided.
  
Also I have tried several shafts as I have access to a fitting cart and keep coming back to the HZRDUS T800 as it produces a nice height, good rollout and good dispersion for me.

I guess I am just trying to find out if i am leaving yardage on the table.

As lawsonman already suggested it's been a "general guidline" for a while now although I confess *I* got that number from reading here on WRX and it seems to fit me very well.

93 MPH SS X 1.47 smash factor (highest I've seen) = 137 MPH ball speed. If you plug that into flightscope (with 2300 RPM spin) = 229 carry.

What kind of spin rate are you getting with that T800 ?

To get 229 carry, you would have to launch at 18*, which is really high. For a more typical launch (12-14*), you would see 10-18 yards less carry.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 09:12 PM

I use the Ping G30 SF TEC 10* with Tour 65 R, my good drives are 220-240 with roll.

Edited by BogeyParBogey, 06 July 2018 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:21 PM

12 degree PING G400SFT turned down to 11 ...regular flex shaft and when I step on it 230-240 carry. This time of year , rolls out to 250-260 sometimes. But most importantly..straight as an arrow.  Was fit by PING last year and it’s been a game changer.

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:21 PM

View Postdmb3535, on 06 July 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

super slow swing speed here due to shoulder surgeries, low 80's. I have tried everything (fittings and clubs) and randomly picked up a SLDR-C off used rack and kill that cheap thing with the stock 58 gram shaft. I had zero intentions of buying, I was just messing around. Well, that was almost 3 years ago and still hitting it.....
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 11:27 PM

95mph. Old Accra T60 M3 connected to a rogue 13.5 set to 12.5. 240-250


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