Jasonic, on 01 July 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:
^^^^^this is what I'm getting at.
Obviously the right arm straightens through impact, the right elbow comes down with angles generally intact and then after p6 releases that energy through the ball.
My question is, is this a conscious action (arms) or just happens with the forces that the body turn creates??
If you are pivoting at even close to normal tempo, there is way more than enough energy/momentum created to straighten the right elbow. No need to fire the right triceps to open up that right elbow angle. Gravity alone tends to make that angle want to open up.
Same for your wrist angles.
The reason so many golfers struggle with understanding this is the arm swing illusion. It is a very strong and very deep baseline premise that is "so obviously true" to one's common sense that no one thinks to question it.
Every school I do at least one student will ask me (and usually several) "Jim - how do I make the arms come back down on the forward swing?"
The answer is: what made the arms "go up" in the first place? Two things - the fact that your s girdle is rotating 90 degrees to your spine which is angled over at Setup 25-40 degrees, means that the s girdle rotation on a tilted angle raises the arms up. When right elbow bends, it also raises the arms, mainly left arm, up to the sky.
So - lowering the arms into the hitting position at P6 is accomplished by rotating the s girdle on that same tilted angle, along with the right elbow straightening. BUT - your body is NOT is the same position at impact that it was in at Setup. Chest and hips are open to the target line, and you have way more right side bend or tilt than at Setup, and your lower body lateral shift creates more pressure on your left leg than at Setup. All of this means you can use less right elbow angle opening up to lower the arms than the same motion raised them on the backswing.
Also your left arm is not in the same angle to your chest at P6 and impact as it was at Setup, it is angle around 30-45 degrees at P6 but was 15-20 degrees at Setup, so the left arm does not lower back to it's Setup position, ie it lowers much less than it raised.
And Pivot does NOT mean "hips" rotation which seems to be the default definition on golfwrx, ie lower body pivot. Pivot means hip, core AND most importantly torso/s girdle rotation and tilt, which absolutely moves the arms, ie the two sides of the Triangle.
When that base of the Triangle (s girdle/torso/chest) rotates and tilts, the arms are moved, in a large range of motion and very, very quickly. "Passive arms" does NOT mean "slow-moving arms" or "stuck" arms, it means using the Pivot to move the arms and NOT the arm muscles themselves.
Golf is a sport that - to play well - requires a blend of precision impact (sweet spot contact on the right angle of attack/low point, with square clubface angle, and a neutral or close to neutral path) and power (ch speed). If the golfer is using the muscles that surround the upper arm joint to control either power or solidness of impact, well - good luck with that!
Meaning way too much range of motion in that joint to create solid impact on a regular basis to play good golf.
Just look at the golfers who do that kind of swing, ie tons of random arm in shoulder socket motion - they are called "high handicappers". All of whom have terrible pivots, why coil and uncoil your body to maximum range of motion if you have those arm muscles to move the arms?
In my 25 years of teaching experience, I have worked with thousands of golfers to reduce that excessive independent arm motion in the shoulder sockets, and to replace that toxic motion with a proper Pivot, and those golfers experience massive ball flight improvement, in a very short amount of time. They hit the ball farther - and straighter, with much more solid impact.