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#1 BeerPerHole

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 03:55 PM

OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...

The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...

Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...

Edited by BeerPerHole, 30 June 2018 - 03:55 PM.

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#2 gatorMD

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:06 PM

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:07 PM

Hmmmm....The XV spins well for me, my approaches are usually a hop and stop with irons. Witht he wedge it's just dependent on the swing I choose to put on the ball but the XV can be spun really well IMO. Maybe try the regular Z-star.? That being said it's the swing that imparts the most spin.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 04:11 PM

Have you tried the regular Z Star?

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:00 PM

Tp5

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 05:43 PM

Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:13 PM

I don't know what to say if you can't hold a green with a XV.  I gather you get too much spin!

I am not sure but you could try a 3 piece ball since you are currently using a 4 piece ball and see how that goes, maybe try a couple different ones like the regular Z-Star or Q-Star Tour.  If that don't work, then try a couple two piece ones like Callaway Super Soft's or Srixon Soft Feel's.

Good luck!

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:19 PM

View PostBeerPerHole, on 30 June 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...

The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...

Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...


If you cannot hold the greens with the XV or Kirkland 4 piece, I am not sure what will help. Maybe try a ball with a higher flight?
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:47 PM

Might be your swing not generating enough speed or your irons are low spin. What shaft are you playing? Are your lofts jacked?

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 12:36 AM

B330S in the blue box. haven't tried the new XS but probably similar. i spin my irons more with these balls than anything else.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:47 AM

it would be good to have a general idea of your game so we can offer more informed suggestions..

an idea of how fast you swing would be a good start..

when i started losing substantial swing speed after age 60--am 72 now--i immediately went to lower compression and softer balls..

even experimented with ladies balls..

right now i like the Honma Tw-G1 which is a 4-layer urethane lower compression ball..

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 06:57 AM

View PostChadwickog, on 30 June 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.

this is a really good point
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:17 AM

View PostgatorMD, on 01 July 2018 - 06:57 AM, said:

View PostChadwickog, on 30 June 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.

this is a really good point

I think it's the new greens as well.

I'd give your XV a test run at another course (one not with new greens) and see how the ball performs.

There's only going to be so much difference in performance between urethane-covered balls so there might not be a lot to gain there if you really like the XV.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:26 AM

chromesoft flies very far and stops relatively well for slower spin rates....TP5 is awesome too.....both very expensive as e all know

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:46 AM

Thanks for all the input. I haven't taken the time to put a speedometer on my iron swings. Driver is about 105mph. My lofts aren't strong. The XV works great for me on other courses, and I do believe the point made by Chadwickog is a good one. That's my point, really - that my need to stop the ball is course-specific. Our greens just opened about 6 or 8 weeks ago and they are hard, and from what I understand, are rolling at least at a 10. When I hit them it doesn't stop. I do have a box of the regular Z Star and am certainly going to try those next.

The other thing that kills me is once the ball does roll into the rough (very healthy rough) then you're faced with a chip that's not going to stop. I have to laugh...After a nice approach you're taking 4 more stabs to get it in the hole. Massive scores result. But, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Heading out right now to spend 2 hours on a practice hole to practice the short game.

Edited by BeerPerHole, 01 July 2018 - 09:50 AM.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:12 AM

Bridgestone tour B series XS.  Soft and spin - y.
I never liked the XV ball from Srixon...too clicky for my taste.
Chrome soft is another good ball.
If you really like the firmer ones, ProV1x would be the logical next choice, I would think.
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:17 AM

There are a lot of offerings that have sample packs you can purchase for pretty cheap.  I'd try the Snell MTB Black and Red, Vice Pro and Pro Plus, Cut Blue and Grey, and compare those against the Z-Stars you already have in stock.
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 11:57 AM

I didn't like vice at all.   just tried the project a...….nice...…..

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 07:12 PM

View Posttsecor, on 01 July 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I didn't like vice at all.   just tried the project a...….nice...…..

Which model Vice did you try?
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Posted 01 July 2018 - 08:59 PM

the vice pro.  I think its a 3 piece ball    a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 09:56 PM

View Posttsecor, on 01 July 2018 - 08:59 PM, said:

the vice pro.  I think its a 3 piece ball a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either

You should try the Pro Plus.  Different feel.
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Posted 02 July 2018 - 06:24 AM

View Postthejuice, on 01 July 2018 - 09:56 PM, said:

View Posttsecor, on 01 July 2018 - 08:59 PM, said:

the vice pro.  I think its a 3 piece ball a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either

You should try the Pro Plus.  Different feel.
cool. tell me about it if you have a few minutes.

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 08:25 PM

Give Snell a try.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:55 AM

View PostgatorMD, on 30 June 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

ProV1x

I tested six premium balls a couple of years ago and found that the ProV1x was the best ball for me when it came to stopping the ball on the green. What I like about it is I can be aggressive with a shot knowing it will check up, versus having it role 20 feet by the hole.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 09:07 AM

Wilson Duo U is great (especially when u catch Dicks sporting good sales....)   Snell RED may be an excellent choice.  

As others have noted right now I would say the TP5 is one the best "overall" ball out.  I play the TP5 or TPX5 and love them but as some have noted the TM balls are not cheap.


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Posted 07 July 2018 - 09:23 AM

Thanks all for the input. Since starting this thread I did have a few discussions with other members at the club. Now, some tactics for the new greens are being developed and shared, which should be helpful.

Good point about the TP5 and x not being cheap. Luckily, I don't go through balls very quickly. My first Z Star XV lasted for a couple rounds. It looked like I pounded the dimples down with my driver, but was probably just a discoloring. I kept it in my bag as an odd keepsake for a while.

I made an observation the other day. A year ago I went through a short phase where I hit some massive drives (in the fairway). All of those were with the Project a (which is a very stoppable ball, too).
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:53 AM

My experience with the 2018 project a is not so great. it balloons quite a bit in the wind, even a slight 10-12 MPH wind.....I just bought a dzn and I am not that happy with them.  so much different than the LETHAL from TM.

TP5 is real solid too, but way to expensive.  Hopefullly at some point TM will make a 20piece box like they did with the lethals

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 12:22 PM

Bridgestone Tour B XS

I have used the ProV1, TP5, and Chrome Soft extensively over the past two years and the tour b xs holds greens the best for me.

The B330S would also probably work. I feel that the Tour B XS feels better than the 330S with my irons.
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:41 PM

New greens don’t bite. You have to land the ball nearer the front and play for rollout.
A ball with more mid to long iron spin is the Project (a).
As for around the green, my best results have come with the current Pro V1, TP5, Z-Star with fresh wedge grooves.
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:41 PM

View PostBeerPerHole, on 30 June 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...

The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...

Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...

Not only is he a mean person, but his architecture sucks.

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