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#1 kekoa

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 04:21 PM

For those that have done so, how do you handle rules infractions with other players?  Assuming they don't call it on themselves, do you a). Call it on them right when you see it; b). Wait for the kid to finish the hole and discuss with his/her parent; c). Discuss with an official at the scoring table?


One of my buddies and his son were playing at a state championship over the weekend and my friend notices one of the other players putting a ball up and down a hill (away from the hole.)  The dad of this kid obviously sees this too and tells his kid to stop immediately.  My friend discusses the infraction with the other child's dad and both of them (child and dad) get very upset.  The child even starts crying.

Apparently, the dad of the other child who broke the rule was very upset with my friend that he called the infraction before they finished the hole.


Disclaimer: I understand that it is ideal for the player to call penalties on each other, but we are talking 7 yr olds here....


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 05:29 PM

About a year and a half ago I approached a dad, after witnessing a child that you know very well, about a rules infraction I saw on the putting green.  I let him know what happened and said it should be a one shot penalty.  The dad asked the son if what I mentioned to him happened and the child denied it, even though the kid looked me right in the eyes when it happened.  Father said it didn't happen and that they shouldn't get a penalty.  I let that one go but from then on I have assessed the penalty and let them sort it out at the scoring table.  Even though I respect the child for their playing ability I know where the moral compass is in that family and don't trust them whatsoever.  

Always assess the penalty immediately.  Better to learn at a stupid 7/8 year old US Kids State tournament than at the NCAA Championship.

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 06:18 PM

My son was playing in a tournament and the other kid addressed his ball before hitting a wedge shot and moved the ball (accidentally) an inch or two. Backed off and then hit his shot. Know what I did - nothing, because the kid was 7! He wasn't trying to cheat, and didn't gain an advantage. Told the other dad to watch out for the golf dads who would call a penalty for something like that.

I would only think of calling a penalty on a 7 year old if they were cheating. Sheesh!
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Posted 27 June 2018 - 07:55 PM

You call the infraction out right when you see it.  Any honest player should respect it and not see it as a problem.

With infractions I think you also need to give latitude on the age and level. For instance I would expect a 11 or 12 year old who has been playing for a while know the basic rules.  By this age they should already know the rules and need to follow them and expect to get one if they make a mistake.

If your talking about a 6 or 7 year old in playing in there first local tournament you may want to cut a little slack and warn them the first time. If they keep doing it give them a penalty.  No slack though should be given to kids who advance to higher levels at any age. Your supposed to know the rules in higher tournaments.

I can’t stand it when parents will act like you’re a jerk when you bring up the rules.  

Over the last few years I’ve seen all kinds of stuff from dads dropping balls to kids doing 6 foot give me’s or out right trading scores on tees.  Nothing shocks me anymore.  After a while though you can spot the cheaters because things don’t add up.

Edited by tiger1873, 27 June 2018 - 08:09 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:23 PM

I think you have to consider their age. I've seen a ton of things. Kids touching the ball when trying to hit a put. Caddies standing behind players. The list can go on. I prefer the education method unless its something they keep doing or a more series violation ie caddie stopping the ball from going off the green. If this was a pattern thats a different story.

l I probably would have talked the caddie. US Kids should be about education not hiring these kids. I hate seeing penalties for things they kids don't fully understand. Are you within your right to do so of course. I would not want to see my kid win by one because of a penally like that.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:34 PM

This is hard. The purist will say, call a infraction that is how they will learn.  I believe you if call little, stupid meaningless infraction on young kids then you drive them away from the game.

If it is a 7-8 or even 11 yr ( playing for his first time and with no hope of breaking 100 then I let everything go).  I do let the dad know so his child learns the game.. there have been instances where I have suggested favorable drops as the kid is lying 6 and still 100 yds away from the green.

On the other hand, a few tournaments ago, a kid who is was in contention tried to get a favorable relief from a cart path taking what clearly was not a normal stance.  I did not object to the relief but when he took it a mile away and clear from the tress, I called him out but did ask the other playing dad for his view.

The answer is it depends!!


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:48 PM

Yes, they are only 7 and in most cases are not purposely be trying to gain an advantage....BUT thats the rules of golf.  Even at 7 they know the basic rules and there is a certain level of responsibility for the parent/caddie to know the rules as well if they are playing in these tournaments. Also, I think you have to consider what level of tmnt. OP was talking about US Kids Golf Tmnt I think-   anyone playing at the state, regional, or world champ tmnts for USKG certainly knows the basic rules. They had to qualify to get there in most cases and , despite being only 7 and despite it being "meaningless" at that age, those tmnts beyond the the local level can be quite competitive (relative).  I know how much my son really looks forward to them.  In his small 7 year old world, they are important to him and he  works hard to prepare for them ( usually, ha!).  Rules infractions matter no less at that age and level than they do at older ages and higher levels.  That being said, I cant recall any rules issues at State, Regional, or World Champ tmnts for USKG.  Local tours on the other hand, multiple.  Even though a lot of those kids are learning, there is no better place to start making sure they understand how important the rules are in tournament golf.  

For better or worse, the way the USKG system is designed there can be "a lot" on the line for these kids - Some are chasing status points to get invites to state, regional, worlds...but others would be really pumped about getting the 5th place medal!  In that way, I almost think there is more on the line at the local tours - maybe its getting status for bigger tournaments or could be a kid getting their first medal.  Last year at a local tour we had a mom caddie who was seriously miscounting her sons strokes, including multiple bunker practice swings, bumped balls at address, etc. .  We were not their scorer, but in their group.  After two or so weeks I realized that he was beating out another kid for the 5th place ribbon.  Kid B had never placed in top 5. Its just a 5th place ribbon at a USKG local, who cares, right?  - but I bet it was really important to Kid B.  He kept showing up, did his best and played by the rules only to get beat by kid A when in reality he probably beat him by 8 strokes.  Kid A wasn't purposely trying to cheat or gain an advantage, but Kid B shouldn't have to suffer for it....even if it is only the difference between 5th and 6th place.   At that point it was too late to address directly, so I discussed it with the tour director.  He made some friendly reminders to "everyone" on the first tee in the subsequent tmnts about some basic rules and making sure to count, etc.  I regretted not addressing it more directly during the tournament.  I learned my lesson then and have done so since on repetitive and/or blatant type things. Probably only had to bring up or question something 3-4 times and in every case the parent/players are cool and appreciative of you reminding them of a rule or bringing it to their attention.  

Anyway , to the OP question, in most cases I would think you address it after hole when confirming scores. When they are 7, I say you discuss with their parent/caddie, not the kid. Unless it is an instance that not bringing it up immediately may lead to further penalty ( i.e.- not replacing a ball that moved to its original position).

Edited by hangontight, 27 June 2018 - 09:52 PM.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 09:55 PM

View Posttiger1873, on 27 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

You call the infraction out right when you see it.  Any honest player should respect it and not see it as a problem.

With infractions I think you also need to give latitude on the age and level. For instance I would expect a 11 or 12 year old who has been playing for a while know the basic rules.  By this age they should already know the rules and need to follow them and expect to get one if they make a mistake.
PGA Tour professionals don’t know the basic rules and you expect a kid to know them?

I’m with the educate them first rather than beat them down when they do something they might not even know is an infraction.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:09 AM

For the record. The kid who broke the rule was -1 and in contention.  Did he know practice putting isnt allowed?  Maybe or maybe not.  Also this was a state tourney and not the kids first time out. My son has been in this position before and we took the penalty and both instances were not done to get any advantage.  After these instances I will call a penalty if a rule was broken. Period.  I tried to contest a scorecard signing infraction and the US kids rules director told me rules are rules. That has stuck in my mind ever since.

Edited by kekoa, 28 June 2018 - 01:10 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:14 AM

View PostSocrates, on 27 June 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

View Posttiger1873, on 27 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

You call the infraction out right when you see it.  Any honest player should respect it and not see it as a problem.

With infractions I think you also need to give latitude on the age and level. For instance I would expect a 11 or 12 year old who has been playing for a while know the basic rules.  By this age they should already know the rules and need to follow them and expect to get one if they make a mistake.
PGA Tour professionals don’t know the basic rules and you expect a kid to know them?

I’m with the educate them first rather than beat them down when they do something they might not even know is an infraction.


If your talking about a local low level tournament and it is their first couple of tournaments for a 7 year old then sure give them a warning. But once you move up to higher levels you are expected to know the rules. This means if you do something wrong you should accept the penalty and move on.

By the time any kid gets to a US Kids worlds event or even state level they should be following the rules and that includes accepting penalties. There are plenty of parents that use the excuse I didn't know to gain an advantage. The only fair way is follow the rules for everyone.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:21 AM

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

Spectators are taking the photos and videos during tournaments.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 08:26 AM

View Postleezer99, on 28 June 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

Spectators are taking the photos and videos during tournaments.

from directly behind the player? Just saying....

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:27 AM

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 28 June 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

Spectators are taking the photos and videos during tournaments.

from directly behind the player? Just saying....

I'm pretty sure a spectator can take a video or picture from behind a player.  I mean they do it all the time at pga tour events right?

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:40 AM

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 28 June 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

Spectators are taking the photos and videos during tournaments.

from directly behind the player? Just saying....

I'm pretty sure a spectator can take a video or picture from behind a player.  I mean they do it all the time at pga tour events right?

us kids policy is spectators are not allowed on the course. Only the cart path. Either way you look at it that's against their rules. As you stated rules are rules right?


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#16 kekoa

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 28 June 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

View Postdarter79, on 28 June 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

I see this all the time? How many caddies out here use phones to take a picture of great shot or video their kid while playing? Do you call the rules infraction on yourself there? Phones are not allowed during us kids events. Considering the amount of videos and angles I've seen on Instagram I say it looks like people pick and choose the rules they want to follow.

Spectators are taking the photos and videos during tournaments.

from directly behind the player? Just saying....

I'm pretty sure a spectator can take a video or picture from behind a player.  I mean they do it all the time at pga tour events right?

us kids policy is spectators are not allowed on the course. Only the cart path. Either way you look at it that's against their rules. As you stated rules are rules right?

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:55 AM

There's a certain irony in being against spectators phoning in rules infractions in PGA events (which has obviously changed) but it's OK for a spectator to do it in a kids event.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:11 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 28 June 2018 - 11:55 AM, said:

There's a certain irony in being against spectators phoning in rules infractions in PGA events (which has obviously changed) but it's OK for a spectator to do it in a kids event.

It's unlikely that sports betting interests would be maliciously involved in reporting breaches at any amateur events.
Knowledge of the Rules is part of the applied skill set which a player must use to play a round of competitive golf.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:


Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 28 June 2018 - 12:22 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:27 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Like you, I have considerable experience with junior golf. I see that as an effort to control coaching from the gallery.

Knowledge of the Rules is part of the applied skill set which a player must use to play a round of competitive golf.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:41 PM

View Postsui generis, on 28 June 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 28 June 2018 - 11:55 AM, said:

There's a certain irony in being against spectators phoning in rules infractions in PGA events (which has obviously changed) but it's OK for a spectator to do it in a kids event.

It's unlikely that sports betting interests would be maliciously involved in reporting breaches at any amateur events.

Rules are rules Sir.  Kind of surprised knowing of your support of the rules.

And as far as amateur events and sports betting, I submit College Football and Basketball.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:00 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Ok, but its not a penalty on the player and the rule actually has to be enforced to get the warning and subsequent removal from the course.  'Most' spectators know you can't be on the green, but I've seen parents and grandparents literally stand on the fringe to watch their child play.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:08 PM

having been involved with a rules infraction during a regional tournament, I'd bring up the infraction at the end of the hole.  I wouldn't wait until the scoring table because people will forget, especially if its an 18 hole match.  But you don't want to disrupt the other players in the group that might still be putting out or finishing the hole.  
If however it's a stroke infraction that's specific to the placement or position of the ball like the DJ or Zach Johnson putts more recently, obviously those need to be addressed immediately.

For local tournaments simple rules infractions I generally use them as teaching moments for the kid and caddie. Non-qualifying type tournaments which aren't meaningful.  For regional, state, or worlds I'll stick with the rules books closely and teach my kid to enforce the rules.  But I leave the decision to calling rules infractions up to my son, and force him to bring it up to the player.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:09 PM

View Postsui generis, on 28 June 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Like you, I have considerable experience with junior golf. I see that as an effort to control coaching from the gallery.

90% of the parents are there watching kids on every shot.  Should walk ahead, stay on cart paths, and help spot balls.  That is what most associations ask you to do.

I don’t understand staying behind.  Don’t even know what that means.  To me it means to stay with the group.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 28 June 2018 - 02:12 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:14 PM

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

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View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Ok, but its not a penalty on the player and the rule actually has to be enforced to get the warning and subsequent removal from the course.  'Most' spectators know you can't be on the green, but I've seen parents and grandparents literally stand on the fringe to watch their child play.

Spectators go to the fringe and around the greens to see the cup.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:18 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Ok, but its not a penalty on the player and the rule actually has to be enforced to get the warning and subsequent removal from the course.  'Most' spectators know you can't be on the green, but I've seen parents and grandparents literally stand on the fringe to watch their child play.

Spectators go to the fringe and around the greens to see the cup.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:38 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View Postsui generis, on 28 June 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Like you, I have considerable experience with junior golf. I see that as an effort to control coaching from the gallery.

90% of the parents are there watching kids on every shot.  Should walk ahead, stay on cart paths, and help spot balls.  That is what most associations ask you to do.

I don’t understand staying behind.  Don’t even know what that means.  To me it means to stay with the group.

I'm a referee as you may know. Coaching by over-enthusiastic dads and moms is an ongoing problem. Those organizations for whom I ref don't have a "stay behind the group" policy. It's all but unenforceable I imagine, but it may be someone's idea of limiting coaching.

I prefer having spectators in the landing area rather than right with the players.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 02:46 PM

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 01:09 AM, said:

For the record. The kid who broke the rule was -1 and in contention.  Did he know practice putting isnt allowed?  Maybe or maybe not.  Also this was a state tourney and not the kids first time out. My son has been in this position before and we took the penalty and both instances were not done to get any advantage.  After these instances I will call a penalty if a rule was broken. Period.  I tried to contest a scorecard signing infraction and the US kids rules director told me rules are rules. That has stuck in my mind ever since.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 03:28 PM

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Ok, but its not a penalty on the player and the rule actually has to be enforced to get the warning and subsequent removal from the course.  'Most' spectators know you can't be on the green, but I've seen parents and grandparents literally stand on the fringe to watch their child play.

our local has a penalty rule with this. Pretty sure the bigger ones does as well.

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 04:19 PM

View Postsui generis, on 28 June 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View Postsui generis, on 28 June 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 28 June 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 28 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Please link me on the spectator rule.  If it's there then the entire field last week needs to be DQ'd or assessed penalties.

Spectator Policy: If spectator carts are permitted, the above Cart Policy must be followed. Cell phones, headphones, pagers, and the like may not be used during play. All walking spectators should stay on or near the cart path at all times. Spectators are not allowed on the greens or in the fairway. Please stay behind the group being followed and do not go ahead to spot shots in advance of play. First offense: warning, Second offense: removal from the golf course.


I think staying behind the group is stupid.  That is not how you spectate golf.

Like you, I have considerable experience with junior golf. I see that as an effort to control coaching from the gallery.

90% of the parents are there watching kids on every shot.  Should walk ahead, stay on cart paths, and help spot balls.  That is what most associations ask you to do.

I don’t understand staying behind.  Don’t even know what that means.  To me it means to stay with the group.

I'm a referee as you may know. Coaching by over-enthusiastic dads and moms is an ongoing problem. Those organizations for whom I ref don't have a "stay behind the group" policy. It's all but unenforceable I imagine, but it may be someone's idea of limiting coaching.

I prefer having spectators in the landing area rather than right with the players.

I agree.

I have seen on the junior circuit.  Have seen it more with girls than guys.  Whenever I see the coaching I put a squash to it.  I also see it more with people speaking languages other than english.


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