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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:00 PM

My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:07 PM

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:47 PM

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:48 PM

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 07:50 PM

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My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

Thx.
Your SS might be similar to the average LPGA pro...but they are hitting/carrying their ball further than your numbers because they are maximizing each strike because their swing path and hits are so 'pure' (sweet spot).....smash factor, ball speed, etc.
But these are the best women in the world and very talented....their shot dispersion is quite tight too.
I think all we amateurs...wish we had their skill and hand eye coordination....it's amazing to see how straight, high and far a 125 lbs (or less) woman can hit it so well.

Although many LPGA have posted yardages about 6450 to 6650 yards...typically the courses are set-up about 75-150 yards shorter on a daily basis.

The longer hitting gals would think 6600 yds is short.
Heck...I think the guys should be playing courses at 8000 yards on a weekly basis.


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 08:46 PM

View PostKBong, on 20 June 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

Thx.
Your SS might be similar to the average LPGA pro...but they are hitting/carrying their ball further than your numbers because they are maximizing each strike because their swing path and hits are so 'pure' (sweet spot).....smash factor, ball speed, etc.
But these are the best women in the world and very talented....their shot dispersion is quite tight too.
I think all we amateurs...wish we had their skill and hand eye coordination....it's amazing to see how straight, high and far a 125 lbs (or less) woman can hit it so well.

Although many LPGA have posted yardages about 6450 to 6650 yards...typically the courses are set-up about 75-150 yards shorter on a daily basis.

The longer hitting gals would think 6600 yds is short.
Heck...I think the guys should be playing courses at 8000 yards on a weekly basis.

Yeah I might have been over-zealous in wanting to shoot their scores! But my speed/distances are very close. Consistency/short game/golf smarts would be the main difference. I’d actually like to figure out what the key differences are.

I am also trying to figure out what my target course length should be - sounds like 6300-6500 for par 72 is about right.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:08 AM

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

1) I’d actually like to figure out what the key differences are.

2) I am also trying to figure out what my target course length should be - sounds like 6300-6500 for par 72 is about right.
1) - they have talent...we amateurs don't
    - they play/practice about 60-70 hrs a week.....we average Joe's maybe play/practice golf maybe 10 hrs/week at most.

2) Don't concentrate on a target length....focus on what yardage you enjoy the most...it might be 5900 or 6900 yards.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:34 AM

View PostKBong, on 21 June 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 08:46 PM, said:

1) I’d actually like to figure out what the key differences are.

2) I am also trying to figure out what my target course length should be - sounds like 6300-6500 for par 72 is about right.
1) - they have talent...we amateurs don't
- they play/practice about 60-70 hrs a week.....we average Joe's maybe play/practice golf maybe 10 hrs/week at most.

2) Don't concentrate on a target length....focus on what yardage you enjoy the most...it might be 5900 or 6900 yards.

I happened to meet Nicole Castrole a few years ago when she was playing well at her club in Palm Desert.  My goodness, was she impressive.  It was mid-morning and she had been at the practice range for hours already.  

I am more interested in their course length as I sort of have in mind really looking at their games in detail to set goals, etc. I am a 7 index at age 66 and am still improving.  PGA pros Champions pros or even local amateur standouts are all too long to use as a role model, but learning how these women shoot these scores is relatable.  Or so the theory goes...
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 05:51 AM

6500-6600yards would be the avg based on my experience.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:40 AM

The official yardages range from 6217 (ShopRite) to 6763 (ANA). The majority are in the 6400 to 6600 range. The majors tend to be 6700+. As KBong points out, the tees are generally 75 to 100 yards shorter in competition.

My general rule of thumb for selecting distance is the 'ol 36*5i guideline. Driver*26 is also close. The LPGA and PGA players generally tee it up at 25 to 26 times the median driving distance. The median on the LPGA is currently 253 yds, which suggests 6325 to 6578 yards.

I'm also a fan because my swing speed and distances align quite nicely with the majority of the players. I can relate to In Gee hitting a 7 iron on a 160 yard par 3, or Inbee hitting a 5 hybrid on an approach from 185 yards.

I attended the Meijer classic last week, and the ballstriking never ceases to amaze me. So Yeon hit 18 greens on Thursday. On her "bad" day, Saturday, she "only" managed 13 greens, and a score of 3 under. Lol. The key to me is tempo. The vast majority of players never seem to be overswinging. They let the club do the work. It's funny, but I seem to play better the day after attending a tournament, as I try to internalize the tempo.

Their short games are also crazy good, especially their chipping. When Lydia chipped in for birdie at the end of the MediHeal, there was no doubt that she was going to get the ball to within 2 feet. The hole out was a bonus.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:18 AM

during my time i compared my distances to the LPGA players during the only 2 times they came over here in 1976/77 and played the same course they played the day after their event-- the Colgate Palmolive Classic-- and from the same tees..

the longest player then was JoAnn Carner and my drives were just about even with hers on holes i can remember.

...on an uphill par3 of about 170 yards i used a 5-iron where Carol Mann used a 5-wood the day before from the same tees..

the lady pros were shooting in the 60's and low 70s..

i was in my early 30s  a 7 hdcp  then and shot a mediocre 83...

we may be stronger but they are a lot  more consistent and accurate...
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:58 AM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

I honestly believe those Trackman numbers are seriously out of date. The median driving distance on the LPGA is 253 yards, and there's no way they're getting an average of 38 yards of rollout. The carry has got to be in the 230 to 240 range.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:00 AM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

Hmmm. LPGA average is 94 ss, carry 218.  So they, too, would seem to need better fit.  So now I am confused.  Either my radar is off (swing speed radar) or I don't know my real carry distances or my clubs don't fit or I suck.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:02 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 21 June 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

I honestly believe those Trackman numbers are seriously out of date. The median driving distance on the LPGA is 253 yards, and there's no way they're getting an average of 38 yards of rollout. The carry has got to be in the 230 to 240 range.

Now that's interesting.  But I know I am not getting 230 carry with my 90-92 ish ss even when I smoke it.  My end result is 230-250 typically.

Anyone know average GIR on LPGA?

Nevermind. I found it on LPGA site (which is quite nice).  Ranges from 77% to 51%.  I am about at 60%.  

So where they beat hell outta me is short game - and they probably get ball closer to hole on approach shots leading to fewer putts per GIR.

Edited by wmblake2000, 21 June 2018 - 11:07 AM.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:04 AM

The consistency of the women is incredible. For example, Stacy Lewis is basically mid-pack in scoring average at 72.08. She's played 25 rounds this season with scores of 70, 70, 68, 75, 75, 71, 68, 67, 71, 68, 73, 71, 74, 73, 74, 74, 75, 73, 72, 71, 72, 72, 78, 74, and 73. No score higher than a 78, and only 3 rounds at 75 or worse.

The median GIR% on the tour is 67.3% (12 greens). Jin Young is leading with an average of 77.2% (13.9).

The median fairways hit is 70.4% (9.8).

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:05 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 21 June 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

I honestly believe those Trackman numbers are seriously out of date. The median driving distance on the LPGA is 253 yards, and there's no way they're getting an average of 38 yards of rollout. The carry has got to be in the 230 to 240 range.
@90 mph x 1.46 (a very mediocre quality strike with the driver) = 131 ball speed

131 x 1.75 = 229 yds carry
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:15 AM

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So where they beat hell outta me is short game - and they probably get ball closer to hole on approach shots leading to fewer putts per GIR.

The women, just like the men, eat the par 5's up. The median player averages 3 birdies a round. I'd say that 2 of them come on the par 5's. This past week, So Yeon birdied 70% of the par 5's.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 06:17 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 21 June 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

I honestly believe those Trackman numbers are seriously out of date. The median driving distance on the LPGA is 253 yards, and there's no way they're getting an average of 38 yards of rollout. The carry has got to be in the 230 to 240 range.
@90 mph x 1.46 (a very mediocre quality strike with the driver) = 131 ball speed

131 x 1.75 = 229 yds carry

Hmm. I don't question your math or assumptions (although I never saw the 1.75 multiplier before, but I have not seen a lot of stuff!) but I am confused by the data from trackman... but if I have another 20 yards from a fitting, well, I'm up for it.  Maybe I will check it out to see.  I have been fit several times and got to the point I figured I knew what I was doing, but I will at least explore what you're suggesting. Thx
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 07:24 PM

View Postwmblake2000, on 21 June 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 21 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

sir you need to go get a driver fitting done. if you are swinging mid 90's and only carrying driver 215 yds something is drastically wrong.

e.g. even at just 90 mph, and with a pedestrian Smash Factor, a player should/would carry the ball 230 yds.

Hmmm. LPGA average is 94 ss, carry 218.  So they, too, would seem to need better fit.  So now I am confused.  Either my radar is off (swing speed radar) or I don't know my real carry distances or my clubs don't fit or I suck.
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IMO....your numbers are fairly accurate...see the below chart from a prior WRX article.
LPGA average at 93 mph is a 220 carry....and let's face it...their ball striking efficiency is far superior to your 7 handicap swing.
How do I know...I'm at a 7.2 cap currently...I've been a 4.8 to 9.0 cap for the last 39 years....and for me....I'm only flushing/puring my shots about 20-30% of the time.

If you have had your clubs fitted several times....it's therefore likely you suck...just like I suck as a same 7 capper too. :taunt:
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 07:44 PM

I just saw that chart and was coming to comment re it. I tell you I hit a lot of drives that sure feel flushed and they are not carrying 230. But I see 90-93 on my swing radar pretty regularly. I am thinking maybe I should look into how I am launching the ball.

All that said, I do, in fact, suck. One of the great freedoms to find in golf is peace with ones level of suckatude.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:09 PM

View Postwmblake2000, on 21 June 2018 - 07:44 PM, said:

I just saw that chart and was coming to comment re it. I tell you I hit a lot of drives that sure feel flushed and they are not carrying 230. But I see 90-93 on my swing radar pretty regularly. I am thinking maybe I should look into how I am launching the ball.

All that said, I do, in fact, suck. One of the great freedoms to find in golf is peace with ones level of suckatude.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:12 PM

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:30 PM

Unless you have a Trackman properly calibrated, maybe your radar is off.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:45 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 21 June 2018 - 09:12 PM, said:

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

Thx.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:49 PM

View Postfarmer, on 21 June 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

Unless you have a Trackman properly calibrated, maybe your radar is off.

That's a real possibility... I am using swing speed radar which only measures swing speed, and there are all kinds of variance (eg, closed head will read faster).  The takeaway from all of this is... I don't really know. But there is a chance I can find 20 yards by a better fit.  I am going to find out.  

Which STILL won't let me score like the ladies!  I really like it that I can kind of compare my game to theirs.  And blows me away how much better they are than me.  It's that consistency thing.  When they are back in the LA area, I am going to follow them a few days and take notes.
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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:11 AM

View Postwmblake2000, on 20 June 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

My swing speed and distances are almost exactly what the average LPGA player has, according to the Trackman data I have seen. I have mid 90's swing speed and carry a driver about 215.  7 iron carries about 140.  I really should study these women's game more diligently - from bag setup to strategies.  But I have been paying more attention to my swing speed/distances and am amazed how truly close they are to LPGA.  Except I don't shoot their scores, and would like to. It's not out of the realm of possibility.  

What length courses do they play, on average? Are they 6500-ish?  Or?? longer? Shorter?  

Thx.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 11:24 AM

Just looked at some PGA Tour driving stats.

The median Carry Efficiency, i.e. carry distance divided by swing speed, is 2.44. Which means the above chart in post #20 is pretty accurate.

I'm not sure how realistic it is for the everyday amateur golfer to expect the same Carry Efficiency as a PGA or LPGA pro with a finely tuned swing.

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 12:33 PM

I assume carry efficiency is a combination of smash factor and optimal launch angle? Spin is probably a factor, too.

Edited by Argonne69, 22 June 2018 - 12:33 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2018 - 01:54 PM

View PostArgonne69, on 22 June 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I assume carry efficiency is a combination of smash factor and optimal launch angle? Spin is probably a factor, too.

Yards per mph swing speed


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