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My swing speed is borderline between a premium ball and a lower-tier ball?


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#1 PhilBurg

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:25 PM

My question is do I pay a premium price for a premium ball or can I go with a lower-tier. (Ex. Srixon Q Star compared to Srixon Z), curious on how that would affect performance, is there much of a difference if I go with a lower tier ball with a borderline swing speed.

Edited by PhilBurg, 13 June 2018 - 08:21 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:45 PM

TBH, I don't view swing speed as the means to determine whether or not you should play a premium ball

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:58 PM

Swing speed has nothing to do with it. Do you want a ball that spins more off irons and around the greens? If so get one with a Urethane cover. If you don’t want it to spin as much with irons and short game shots, get one with a non-Urethane cover.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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#4 PhilBurg

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:08 PM

Manufacturers information recommend a particular Ball depending on your swing speed. Some companies make golf balls specifically for moderate swings my question is I'm between moderate and a high-speed swing

Edited by PhilBurg, 13 June 2018 - 08:18 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:20 PM

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

Manufacturers information recommend a particular Ball depending on your swing speed. Some companies make golf balls specifically for moderate swings my question is I'm between moderate and a high-speed swing

Manufactures have moved away from that practice.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:22 PM

My driver swing speed is 95. I shoot better scores when I play a Titleist ProV1 or Srixon Z-Star. I'm able to get/keep the ball closer to the hole with them. I sometimes use a Project (a) or a Q Star Tour. They are great balls also. But I still play better with the premium ball.
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:36 PM

View Postpmang, on 13 June 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

My driver swing speed is 95. I shoot better scores when I play a Titleist ProV1 or Srixon Z-Star. I'm able to get/keep the ball closer to the hole with them. I sometimes use a Project (a) or a Q Star Tour. They are great balls also. But I still play better with the premium ball.
Thanks, those balls are the ones I'm actually contemplating.

Edited by PhilBurg, 13 June 2018 - 08:38 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:53 PM

Interesting that consumers are saying that club head speed has nothing to do with the type of ball being used.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:25 PM

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

Interesting that consumers are saying that club head speed has nothing to do with the type of ball being used.

It's not consumers saying that, it's the golf ball companies now telling us that. You seem to be really stuck on this whole swing speed dictating your ball choice, so why don't you just buy sleeves of 4 or 5 different balls and figure out what works for you?

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:30 PM

Premium balls are not SS dependent.  They play better around the green than non-premium balls.  There were some really good deals on premium Srixon's, but they may have expired.  Look at golfballs.com.

Edited by farmer, 13 June 2018 - 09:31 PM.


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#11 PhilBurg

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:55 PM

View PostMukky, on 13 June 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

Interesting that consumers are saying that club head speed has nothing to do with the type of ball being used.

It's not consumers saying that, it's the golf ball companies now telling us that. You seem to be really stuck on this whole swing speed dictating your ball choice, so why don't you just buy sleeves of 4 or 5 different balls and figure out what works for you?
You're describing something that is very obvious, this is called a forum where we discuss experiences and then respond and come to a educated decision on what direction we would like to go in.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:22 PM

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

View PostMukky, on 13 June 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 08:53 PM, said:

Interesting that consumers are saying that club head speed has nothing to do with the type of ball being used.

It's not consumers saying that, it's the golf ball companies now telling us that. You seem to be really stuck on this whole swing speed dictating your ball choice, so why don't you just buy sleeves of 4 or 5 different balls and figure out what works for you?
You're describing something that is very obvious, this is called a forum where we discuss experiences and then respond and come to a educated decision on what direction we would like to go in.

Exactly and yet you don't seem to believe any of the advice that has been given to you. Enjoy whatever ball you decide fits your swing speed

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 05:43 AM

And by the way, “premium” and “mid-tier” are marketing gobbledegook with no actual meaning. Are you talking about price tiers? There are very inexpensive Urethane balls and there are premium-priced 2-piece Surlyn balls and everything in between.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:35 AM

"Choose the compression of your ball based on your swing speed. A good rule of thumb is 100 compression for swing speeds over 100 miles per hour, 90 compression for swing speeds over 90 mph and 80 compression for swing speeds under 90 mph." This is what I'm reading out there.

Edited by PhilBurg, 14 June 2018 - 06:36 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:38 AM

It is complete nonsense. Sounds like it was written circa 1998 about wound balls.

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:32 AM

Iʻd probably disregard that " swingspeed match compression" idea. Have a buddie who is scratch, SS is 105-110 and plays a Callaway SuperSoft. Same here, SS 95 and play a softer ball.




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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:34 AM

View PostPhilBurg, on 14 June 2018 - 06:35 AM, said:

"Choose the compression of your ball based on your swing speed. A good rule of thumb is 100 compression for swing speeds over 100 miles per hour, 90 compression for swing speeds over 90 mph and 80 compression for swing speeds under 90 mph." This is what I'm reading out there.

Is there even a modern ball that has 100 compression? As North Butte says that sounds like the marketing gobbledygook from the 90's and early 00's
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:41 AM

I echo the fact that SS is not the determining factor. If you want Premium results from a cheaper ball:
https://www.snellgolf.com/

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:09 AM

Yeah I hate to pile on, but swing speed shouldn't determine the compression you choose. Ball companies used to guide consumers to certain balls based on swing speed because it was easier for them. The snell golf link posted above is great info and he's as expert on the topic as you can be. Compression will determine how the ball feels on full shots, so if you like a softer feeling there are quite a few options these days, even with urethane covers. The spin around the greens and firmness on chips will only have to do with the outermost cover (thickness, urethane vs. non-urethane). For comparison, I believe the Q-Star Tour is around 77 compression, which is on the softer end. The Srixon XV and Prov1X around in the 105 range for compression. Most urethane 3 layer balls are somewhere in between those two number. (Z star is 88. Think the Prov1 is somewhere near there).

Bottom line is that it's confusing for consumers and it's all because the manufacturers had trouble describing the differences on a box.

To directly answer your original question, you really don't have to pay premium prices for premium balls anymore due to the constant sales and the direct to consumer balls (Snell, Vice, Cut etc). Once you realize that, you can pick and choose what best fits your taste, because all premium balls will perform admirably for you on the course. My personal recommendation would be Snell MTB Black. Mid compression ball that performs as good if not better than a ProV1 according to the testing that's been done.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:54 AM

The premium balls like the Z-Star's are on sale everywhere for only $20 a dozen so you could play a premium ball that is better than the Q-Star for a great price!  Just stock up on a few dozen while they are on sale!

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#21 North Butte

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:08 AM

In today’s market you can get whatever type of ball suits your game for at most $2/ball, sometimes less.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:55 PM

Choosing a ball based on swing speed is hogwash. Pick urethane or non-urethane. Pick your feel: hard, medium, soft. Pick your price point. There are more options than ever.

But spending the summer trying out balls that do different things won't help your game. Find a ball you like and stick with it. Bridgestone's RXS happens to be mine this year (urethane, soft, medium price-point).

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:33 PM

View PostMukky, on 13 June 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

TBH, I don't view swing speed as the means to determine whether or not you should play a premium ball
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Posted 17 June 2018 - 08:23 AM

View PostBirdieRoll, on 14 June 2018 - 09:55 PM, said:

Choosing a ball based on swing speed is hogwash. Pick urethane or non-urethane. Pick your feel: hard, medium, soft. Pick your price point. There are more options than ever.

But spending the summer trying out balls that do different things won't help your game. Find a ball you like and stick with it. Bridgestone's RXS happens to be mine this year (urethane, soft, medium price-point).

This. There are so many options out there you can find your preference

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 08:31 AM

View PostPhilBurg, on 13 June 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

My question is do I pay a premium price for a premium ball or can I go with a lower-tier. (Ex. Srixon Q Star compared to Srixon Z), curious on how that would affect performance, is there much of a difference if I go with a lower tier ball with a borderline swing speed.

The different balls for different swing speeds is a narrative adopted by Bridgestone Golf in order to take market share away from Titleist.

Titleist came back and suggested that a player should pick a ball that performs best on and around the green.

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:36 AM

To be fair there are ball companies that still include what kind of driver swing speed and distance of certain clubs in their “ball fitting” questionnaire things, such as Vice.

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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:50 AM

View Postatomheartmother, on 17 June 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

To be fair there are ball companies that still include what kind of driver swing speed and distance of certain clubs in their “ball fitting” questionnaire things, such as Vice.

My understanding is that vice doesn't design their balls and just buys a few different off the shelf balls and labels them "vice", so they may have no idea what determines how a ball performs

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:43 PM

This was around 10 or so years ago when prevailing wisdom was that the Pro V1 was the choice for shorter hitters and the V1x for bombers. Gary Woodland was one of the tours longest hitters and played the V1. More than one of the LPGA's shortest played the V1x.

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