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#1 jsmil4901

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:22 AM

I currently use an anser style putter. I putt fairly well but like most, I do not hit the sweet spot every time and distance and direction will be off. I've been looking at changing to a mallet style putter, either the Evnroll ER7 or the Bettinardi BB39. Both styles are appealing to me. Will a mallet style face balanced putter offer more forgiveness than the anser style putter? Also, Evnroll claims that their putters offer even more forgiveness with the variable grooves on the face. But wouldn't any face balanced putter offer the same forgiveness even without the grooves? For anyone who has made the switch are mallets more forgiving?

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:28 PM

I play a mallet simply because I don't have much of an arc if any so toe hang wouldn't benefit me. I have never thought of putters in terms of "forgiveness".
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:36 PM

It was just recently explained to me that "forgiveness" in putters primarily pertains to distance control. So basically, unless your struggling with inconsistent distances a more "forgiving" putter is not likely to help a whole lot.

Also, make sure a face-balanced putter is right for your stroke. I just went to a toe-hang mallet (I have some arc in my stroke), and I've had much better distance control than I've had in a long time. That's really important for me, since I'm often on the green but a LONG way from the hole! :lol:
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:57 PM

I do think the mallets will offer more forgiveness because they usually have more mass and less twist on mishits.  There's a ton of mallets so make sure you do your homework (or get fitted).

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:12 PM

I'm not sure forgiveness in a putter is exactly what you want... you want to strike the ball in the middle of the club face... a forgiven feel may not result in better results if you're not rolling the ball properly.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:26 PM

View Postbazinky, on 13 June 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

It was just recently explained to me that "forgiveness" in putters primarily pertains to distance control. So basically, unless your struggling with inconsistent distances a more "forgiving" putter is not likely to help a whole lot.

Also, make sure a face-balanced putter is right for your stroke. I just went to a toe-hang mallet (I have some arc in my stroke), and I've had much better distance control than I've had in a long time. That's really important for me, since I'm often on the green but a LONG way from the hole! :lol:

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:31 PM

They absolutely are more forgiving. If you can get used to the bigger look then they're great putters. 2ball fang has been in my bag. Haven't ever pulled the trigger on a spider but have toyed with it a bunch.  Currently gaming a sigma g tyne and it's very bit as forgiving, to me, as the spider and 2ball fang.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:49 AM

For my part. I want to try a mallet because of inconsistent strike i have. The twist in an anser style putter sure will result in some miss putt.

But again, i shot -1 yesterday, and today, i want to change my putter. Ah golfwrx.
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:30 AM

How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:23 AM

View Postjsmil4901, on 13 June 2018 - 06:26 PM, said:

View Postbazinky, on 13 June 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

It was just recently explained to me that "forgiveness" in putters primarily pertains to distance control. So basically, unless your struggling with inconsistent distances a more "forgiving" putter is not likely to help a whole lot.

Also, make sure a face-balanced putter is right for your stroke. I just went to a toe-hang mallet (I have some arc in my stroke), and I've had much better distance control than I've had in a long time. That's really important for me, since I'm often on the green but a LONG way from the hole! :lol:

What toe hang mallet are you gaming?

Just went to a Spider Tour (red) slant neck. I've always been a really solid putter inside of 10 feet, but I struggle a bit with distance control when I'm not able to play more than once a week.  Since switching, my distance control on my longer putts has been much better. Biggest benefit I've noticed is fewer three putts and a lot less stress on the greens.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:26 AM

Yes, theoretically a mallet will offer you more "forgiveness" because there is less face rotation in a mallet than in a blade. But that could actually end up causing you more problems if your stroke is more suited for a putter with a lot of face rotation. If you like to feel the putter face opening and closing and you switch to a mallet, you'll end up fighting the putter the whole time. And the opposite is also true. If you prefer a SBST stroke, then switching to a mallet might be the best decision you ever make for your putting!
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 12:59 PM

I never had forgiveness in a putter. They all treat me like a girl child in China.
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 03:23 PM

I didn't think putters could be forgiving either, until I tried the Spider Tour putters... It's awesome that some of you NEVER miss the center of the putter but I do and I notice that a little off the heel, or a little off the toe and this putter still stays online and makes it to the hole whereas with a blade, it's coming up way short and way off line.  Seen plenty of Tour pros move from blades to mallets, they definitely offer help.
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 05:02 PM

I'm going to go tomorrow and give the Ping Sigma Tyne a look. It sounds like it uses a similar groove idea on the face. And it would cost quite a bit less than the Evnroll.
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 06:48 PM

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How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

You hit the center of the putter face 100% of the time? Man that's pretty insane if that's the case. I think it takes a ton of practice to hit the center consistently, and I'm sure not even pros do this.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:14 PM

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I'm going to go tomorrow and give the Ping Sigma Tyne a look. It sounds like it uses a similar groove idea on the face. And it would cost quite a bit less than the Evnroll.

You can pick up a gently used one on the BST for cheap. Under $130.

Fyi - make sure you check out the stroke type on the ones you test. The tyne comes in a straight back and slight arc model.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:43 PM

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I currently use an anser style putter. I putt fairly well but like most, I do not hit the sweet spot every time and distance and direction will be off. I've been looking at changing to a mallet style putter, either the Evnroll ER7 or the Bettinardi BB39. Both styles are appealing to me. Will a mallet style face balanced putter offer more forgiveness than the anser style putter? Also, Evnroll claims that their putters offer even more forgiveness with the variable grooves on the face. But wouldn't any face balanced putter offer the same forgiveness even without the grooves? For anyone who has made the switch are mallets more forgiving?

Mallets are without a doubt more forgiving and it DOES make a difference. NOBODY hits the center 100% of the time (except maybe bladestriker who, oddly enough, apparently doesn't play blades :D ).

Forgiveness in a putter helps a lot with distance control which, in turn, also helps a lot with most putts that break. And most putts break.

Mishit a breaking putt with a less forgiving putter and you can start it on exactly the right line but it's going to miss because of the loss of speed due to the off center strike. The slight extra forgiveness may be just enough for that miss to go in.

Further away you are the more important forgiveness is. Strange how it's exactly the same with other clubs, eh ? :beruo:

The problem I've found with distance control with the mallet is a resistance to hitting it hard enough - it looks "massive" compared to a blade putter and I believe one thinks, because it looks so big, that one doesn't have to swing it as much. You do. You still have to give a long putt (especially) a whack and, in your mind's eye you don't want to hit it "that hard". That takes some getting used to.

Personally I don't like ANY of the Evnrolls or Bettinardis. I may hit the SS with the Evnroll but it doesn't feel like I did. And I've never gotten along with Bettis. For ME, Odyssey, especially the #7, and TM Spiders are clearly better.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:33 PM

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View Postjsmil4901, on 13 June 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

I currently use an anser style putter. I putt fairly well but like most, I do not hit the sweet spot every time and distance and direction will be off. I've been looking at changing to a mallet style putter, either the Evnroll ER7 or the Bettinardi BB39. Both styles are appealing to me. Will a mallet style face balanced putter offer more forgiveness than the anser style putter? Also, Evnroll claims that their putters offer even more forgiveness with the variable grooves on the face. But wouldn't any face balanced putter offer the same forgiveness even without the grooves? For anyone who has made the switch are mallets more forgiving?

Mallets are without a doubt more forgiving and it DOES make a difference. NOBODY hits the center 100% of the time (except maybe bladestriker who, oddly enough, apparently doesn't play blades :D ).

Forgiveness in a putter helps a lot with distance control which, in turn, also helps a lot with most putts that break. And most putts break.

Mishit a breaking putt with a less forgiving putter and you can start it on exactly the right line but it's going to miss because of the loss of speed due to the off center strike. The slight extra forgiveness may be just enough for that miss to go in.

Further away you are the more important forgiveness is. Strange how it's exactly the same with other clubs, eh ? :beruo:

The problem I've found with distance control with the mallet is a resistance to hitting it hard enough - it looks "massive" compared to a blade putter and I believe one thinks, because it looks so big, that one doesn't have to swing it as much. You do. You still have to give a long putt (especially) a whack and, in your mind's eye you don't want to hit it "that hard". That takes some getting used to.

Personally I don't like ANY of the Evnrolls or Bettinardis. I may hit the SS with the Evnroll but it doesn't feel like I did. And I've never gotten along with Bettis. For ME, Odyssey, especially the #7, and TM Spiders are clearly better.

Just one person's opinion(s).

Wanted to, tried to, but just couldn't - get used to the feel of evnroll putters.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:51 PM

Make sure you get a mallet that matches up to your stroke.

I went to a face-balanced mallet last year for more forgiveness, but I have an arcing stroke. So the face-balanced mallet was a disaster for me. My distance control was absolute s*** with the putter.

I went back to an answer style putter and have been putting great. Never tried a toe-hang mallet. But I use a putter with more than 45 degrees of toe-hang, and I have yet to see a toe-hang mallet with a lot of toe-hang.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:20 AM

View PostZuzert, on 14 June 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

View Postbladestriker, on 14 June 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

You hit the center of the putter face 100% of the time? Man that's pretty insane if that's the case. I think it takes a ton of practice to hit the center consistently, and I'm sure not even pros do this.
I don’t think it takes insane hand eye coordination to take it back, max 18”, and hit the sweet spot that is roughly the size of a dime.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:50 PM

View Postbladestriker, on 15 June 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

View PostZuzert, on 14 June 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

View Postbladestriker, on 14 June 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

You hit the center of the putter face 100% of the time? Man that's pretty insane if that's the case. I think it takes a ton of practice to hit the center consistently, and I'm sure not even pros do this.
I don’t think it takes insane hand eye coordination to take it back, max 18”, and hit the sweet spot that is roughly the size of a dime.

He said 100% of the time. The PROS mishit putts.

And while the SS of irons, even blades, might be the size of a dime I wonder if the SS of a blade style putter actually IS that wide,,,,,,,, :beruo:  :dntknw:
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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:04 PM

I went to the PGA SS and tried some putters. The Ping Sigma Tyne, Ping Sigma Darby, Evnroll ER7, Cameron Futura 5W.  I had store credit I needed to use today, and based on my putting efforts today the Ping Sigma G 33" Tyne won out. It was not automatic but it felt better than the others and the price was equal to my credit. The Cameron 5W felt good also, but hard to justify an extra $200. I like the style of the Tyne putter and it looks good to my eye, now I need to get some quality practice time with it on the greens.
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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:44 PM

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I went to the PGA SS and tried some putters. The Ping Sigma Tyne, Ping Sigma Darby, Evnroll ER7, Cameron Futura 5W.  I had store credit I needed to use today, and based on my putting efforts today the Ping Sigma G 33" Tyne won out. It was not automatic but it felt better than the others and the price was equal to my credit. The Cameron 5W felt good also, but hard to justify an extra $200. I like the style of the Tyne putter and it looks good to my eye, now I need to get some quality practice time with it on the greens.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:45 PM

I would try, try, try, and then try again before making any purchases. If you can, try it on actual greens. I was a blade user for years. Tried some mallets in the store and even bought a couple. A big and costly mistake. Store performance did not translate to the greens and totally screwed up my putting. I went back to the beginning and found what I feel is my natural stroke. It simply does not play well with most mallets. I now use and old school Spalding TPM 3 and recently picked up one of the many I never should've sold: a beat up Rife Martinique. My putting is rounding back into form. Most importantly, my distance control is much better.
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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:09 AM

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How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

You hit the center of the putter face 100% of the time? Man that's pretty insane if that's the case. I think it takes a ton of practice to hit the center consistently, and I'm sure not even pros do this.
I don’t think it takes insane hand eye coordination to take it back, max 18”, and hit the sweet spot that is roughly the size of a dime.

He said 100% of the time. The PROS mishit putts.

And while the SS of irons, even blades, might be the size of a dime I wonder if the SS of a blade style putter actually IS that wide,,,,,,,, :beruo:  :dntknw:
I’m talking about hitting or missing the sweet spot, I do not think it’s hard to center up a putter, if it is, you are not very good.
A mishit to me is a speed misjudgement or a face angle issue. There are so many variables to putting I don’t think hitting the SS should be a big focal point, because it should be expected to be hit with such a small swing.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 10:12 AM

View Postbladestriker, on 16 June 2018 - 02:09 AM, said:

View Postnsxguy, on 15 June 2018 - 05:50 PM, said:

View Postbladestriker, on 15 June 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

View PostZuzert, on 14 June 2018 - 06:48 PM, said:

View Postbladestriker, on 14 June 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

How are players missing the sweet spot on a putter?
I can see a  little wiggle on a bullseye or center shafted model, but a Anser style or mallet should have enough forgiveness in design to be sufficient.

You hit the center of the putter face 100% of the time? Man that's pretty insane if that's the case. I think it takes a ton of practice to hit the center consistently, and I'm sure not even pros do this.
I don’t think it takes insane hand eye coordination to take it back, max 18”, and hit the sweet spot that is roughly the size of a dime.

He said 100% of the time. The PROS mishit putts.

And while the SS of irons, even blades, might be the size of a dime I wonder if the SS of a blade style putter actually IS that wide,,,,,,,, :beruo:  :dntknw:
I’m talking about hitting or missing the sweet spot, I do not think it’s hard to center up a putter, if it is, you are not very good.
A mishit to me is a speed misjudgement or a face angle issue. There are so many variables to putting I don’t think hitting the SS should be a big focal point, because it should be expected to be hit with such a small swing.

In the overall scheme of things, especially relative to many other things in golf, *I* don't think it's that hard to center up a putter (either). That doesn't make it easy though.

Speed misjudgment is a mishit ? I think others might disagree. Face angle ? Hmmmmm, well I guess I'd think that was more of an alignment or path issue but I can see where one might consider that a mishit.

In any case, despite our somewhat different definitions of a "mishit", I'll simply note that you ignored my conjecture about the size of the SS on a putter vs. say, an iron AND that PROS mishit putts from time to time, especially given YOUR definition of a mishit (speed control) - so pretty much by your own definition they're not very good either. :rolleyes:  YOU must be reallllllllly good. :lol:

Further, I noticed you quoted your hero(?), Big Maen, in your signature. That should have told me all I needed to know. :D  

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