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Persimmon Club Question About Face Screws


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#1 splai

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:44 PM

I am in the younger generation of golfers who have never played persimmons. There seems to be a lot of good content coming out lately comparing wood clubs to current technology or just messing around with older clubs. I'd like to get a few old clubs just to mess around and see what they feel like, mainly out of curiosity. My issue is that I do not know anything about them, mainly in regards to the screws in the face. I understand the purpose of them, but why do some have screws in the face and some don't? When they do have screws, there seems to be a lot of variety in how many screws, placement, etc. Does screw placement (in a square pattern, diamond, 4 screws without one in the center, 5 screws with one in the center, 6 screws in lines of 3, etc) or solid wood clubs with no screws (I have seen Lynx and Ping like this) change the ball flight? Are screws in the face a type of technology that started coming out after a certain year? What should I be looking for, or does it even matter? Anything helps! Thanks!


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:48 PM

Just buy one with screws in the face so you can say “boom! hit that one out the screws”
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:03 PM

Screws were originally used to secure the inserts into the wooden body of the club as glues of the era were very poor, most of the old inserts were fiber. Glues were not reliable and hence the reason there were backscrews through the heel of woods that went thru the shaft. As epoxies and resins developed the screws were mostly decorative. Many modern inserts were actually epoxy which was poured into the cutout of the head, then cut and sanded. Inserts were made from fiber, glass, epoxy, aluminum......all sort of things thru the years.

The screw patterns are mostly decorative and serve no performance difference, a few inserts even had metal "firing pins" or "bullseyes" in the center.

Edited by Night train, 12 June 2018 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:19 PM

Post in the persimmon section under classic golf
Ping G5 9* with UST Comp 65 or Cobra SS350 10.5* with Matrix Ozik 5.5

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:58 PM

My favorites , the old Honmas , with real gold screws...classy

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 07:32 AM

View Postsplai, on 12 June 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

I am in the younger generation of golfers who have never played persimmons. There seems to be a lot of good content coming out lately comparing wood clubs to current technology or just messing around with older clubs. I'd like to get a few old clubs just to mess around and see what they feel like, mainly out of curiosity. My issue is that I do not know anything about them, mainly in regards to the screws in the face. I understand the purpose of them, but why do some have screws in the face and some don't? When they do have screws, there seems to be a lot of variety in how many screws, placement, etc. Does screw placement (in a square pattern, diamond, 4 screws without one in the center, 5 screws with one in the center, 6 screws in lines of 3, etc) or solid wood clubs with no screws (I have seen Lynx and Ping like this) change the ball flight? Are screws in the face a type of technology that started coming out after a certain year? What should I be looking for, or does it even matter? Anything helps! Thanks!
I haven't noticed after having tried all kinds. If your just starting, your local thrift stores should have a variety of clubs for you to mess around with. Like modern equipment, there were so many different makes and models that finding ones that fit your game will be a fun adventure, and if you keep the cost low, not too stressful.

Around here, in Wisconsin, playable clubs can be had for 2-5 $ each. I have found them for as low as $1, and paid as much as a whopping $8 for a driver I thought I might like. You should have no trouble outfitting yourself with a complete set for around 20 - 40$. So try a bunch of different clubs if time and wallet (and missus, if so equipped) allow.

You might start with clubs you father or a favorite relative used to play. Or perhaps someone you admire from the 1970's. Or someone famous. Whatever floats your boat. I started with the best looking, condition wise, set I could find at the local thrift, and added the woods that matched that set of irons. Those happened to be Wilson K-28 forged irons. I wanted to see if I could hit them. I could, and I was hooked. (actually sliced, for those who have seen me play...)

After that, I just kept looking for upgrades, and persimmon clubs. In the course of 2 years they have not been difficult to obtain at all. I'll bet there are even people here who would get you hooked up if you just pay the postage. (I have a Wilson Staff persimmon driver and 5 wood that I will give to you if you want to pay the postage. pm ME.)

It is really fun to play with the older equipment, especially on courses designed and built when that equipment was the standard. I personally love the old courses. But I also like to occasionally play "newer" courses with old equipment, just to mess with people. It truly is the "road less traveled".

Be prepared to field questions about your gear tho. Some of us like to go old school with bags and apparel too. It's another side to the game. A lot of us also play with less than a full set. Wait.... :stop:

Don't worry about finding the perfect looking clubs either. Some of the best clubs I have aint too pretty. But I'll bet money that your ball striking will get even better than it probably already is (with that handicap), and you will fall in love with the sound. And in beating your playing partners with so-called "inferior" equipment.

There is a lot to like about the old gear, and a lot to like about the people who play it. You will find some of the nicest and most generous people you will ever meet playing hickory and vintage clubs. And you may even be able to organize a few meetups and find others near you who play the persimmons.

Just dive in and enjoy.
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Edited by Dcohenour, 13 June 2018 - 07:42 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:03 PM

You may also want to consider some of the old Ping laminates as they tend to be a bit larger and therefore a bit easier to hit for some. Just as with modern clubs the biggest difference maker is finding one with a shaft that works well for you.

Edited by TimV, 13 June 2018 - 04:03 PM.

Vintage:
60-61 Wilson Staff 2-PW w/t MacGregor Tourney Persimmon Driver & 4 Wood, Wilson Sam Snead Signature Brass Putter

Classic:
71-72 Wilson Staff Button Backs 2-SW w/t Wilson System 3000 Persimmon Driver and 3 Wood, MacGregor Tourney SAT 5 Wood, Wilson Sam Snead Pay-Off Putter

Modern Classic:
Mizuno Grad MP 2 Iron, 84-85 Mizuno Cimarron 3-PW Blades & Mizuno RSF 90 BeCu w/t 10* Callaway Warbird Great Big Bertha Ruger Driver, Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead III 3 Wood, & Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead Plus 7 Wood, Brass Slotline Putter

Modern:
07 Ping G10 (YD) Draw Driver & 4 Wood, 3 & 4 Hybrid, 5-SW w/t Ping Anser Putter

Farcical:
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:51 PM

Tim is correct about the shaft.  Itís my opinion that itís an even more important part of the overall club equation with regards to vintage than modern.
OP, you can pick up a number of persimmon or laminate for a song these days, so donít be afraid to dive in and take a few for a test drive.

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