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Light debate on Live From tonight: Best ever- Phil or Norman


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#1 MSUIRONDAWGS

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 06:21 PM

Didn't seem like any of them would disagree(Maybeee Nobilo somewhat) that the better player throughout their career is Phil. I say this emphatically, NO WAY Norman can be considered a better player than Phil!

You guys agree?


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 06:24 PM

Not by any measurement is Greg Norman a superior player.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 06:29 PM

Norman was way better that Phil.

But not by much.

stupid argument

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 06:31 PM

As much as I loved to watch Greg, strictly on performance Phil by three lengths.  Over 40 wins and several majors vs Greg's 20 with two majors.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:19 PM

Phil and it's not close. Hes got more than double Norman's wins and majors.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:27 PM

Phil Phil and Phil

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:35 PM

Phil wins by a huge margin.........but Norman was the best driver of the ball EVER........and had the worst luck of anyone who ever played at an elite level.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:40 PM

Norman is a better business man.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:42 PM

Greg not in Philís league. Not even close. Canít believe there's even a debate

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:52 PM

Phil x10.  Norman = to Putin though in the shirtless selfie dept.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:23 PM

I generally enjoy Nobilo (and still do) but his defense of Norman was blatant homerism. And before the first wise guy jumps up and points out that they are from two different countries, yes, I know that, but I’m sure most here will understand what I mean.
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:25 PM

View PostNight train, on 11 June 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

Phil wins by a huge margin.........but Norman was the best driver of the ball EVER........and had the worst luck of anyone who ever played at an elite level.

I cant argue this. Especially the driver..

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:28 PM

View PostRDD, on 11 June 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

Greg not in Phil's league. Not even close. Can't believe there's even a debate

Totally agree! I was a bit bewildered at how that even was a discussion point between the guys, but yea it came up lol. Duval almost had like this "Are you f'ing kidding me look", like really?, This is even a debate?

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:37 PM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

lol ... the 3rd best player ever is a viewed shared by you and probably no one else ... be serious ...

but he is def better than norman ... didn't see that bit on the gc, but it's a ridiculous argument to make by anyone ...


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:47 PM

View Postcaniac6, on 11 June 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

Norman is a better business man.

Phil is still a FT golfer, hasnt started his 2nd life biz career yet.

Well, cept dinosuar head collecting and day trading.

But, one day, if he gets serious, Ill have to pitch him on my sweet idea...

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:48 PM

3rd best ever my arse

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:48 PM

View PostMSUIRONDAWGS, on 11 June 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

View PostNight train, on 11 June 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

Phil wins by a huge margin.........but Norman was the best driver of the ball EVER........and had the worst luck of anyone who ever played at an elite level.

I cant argue this. Especially the driver..

norman's best combined year was 36 ... other best years were 64, 42, 60, and 51 ... that would be in his early to late 30s ... jack bettered/equaled that in his early 40s, finishing 23, 57, 44, and 65 ... no records were kept before the 1980 season ... jack was the greatest driver ever ...

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:58 PM

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Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

absolutely agree..   he wins the us open and he gets my vote for #3.. if you consider what hes done with tiger in the picture its unreal how many more he would have won ...
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:07 PM

Hard to argue on behalf of Norman. He had less competition and won less

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:20 PM

Points for Greg Norman

1. spent 331 weeks as the world #1 compared to Phil's 0
2. PGA Player of the Year once, Phil 0
3. Led the PGA Tour money list 3 times, Phil 0
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:23 PM

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live

....from the state of California is the rest of that sentence.
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:24 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

absolutely agree..   he wins the us open and he gets my vote for #3.. if you consider what hes done with tiger in the picture its unreal how many more he would have won ...
I can't lie..I'm not seeing how Phil is in the running for top 3 of all time.
Walter Hagen..11 majors/45 tour victories
Sam Snead 7 majors/ 82 tour victories
This is an interesting conversation and I would like to hear the rationale of how Phil is close to the top 3 of all time.
There is no doubt Phil would have won countless more tournaments without the presence of Tiger, but unfortunately a prediction is not a verifiable statistic.

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View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live

....from the state of California is the rest of that sentence.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:25 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 11 June 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

Points for Greg Norman

1. spent 331 weeks as the world #1 compared to Phil's 0
2. PGA Player of the Year once, Phil 0
3. Led the PGA Tour money list 3 times, Phil 0


All great points, however in defense of Phil, there was this guy named Tiger he had to tangle with his entire career almost. I'm not sure Greg had anyone close to the talent Phil has had to deal with...

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:41 PM

View PostFairwindsgolfer, on 11 June 2018 - 09:24 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

absolutely agree..   he wins the us open and he gets my vote for #3.. if you consider what hes done with tiger in the picture its unreal how many more he would have won ...
I can't lie..I'm not seeing how Phil is in the running for top 3 of all time.
Walter Hagen..11 majors/45 tour victories
Sam Snead 7 majors/ 82 tour victories
This is an interesting conversation and I would like to hear the rationale of how Phil is close to the top 3 of all time.
There is no doubt Phil would have won countless more tournaments without the presence of Tiger, but unfortunately a prediction is not a verifiable statistic.

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View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live

....from the state of California is the rest of that sentence.

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well.. you have to add in his US AM  title..( once a major in itself) his individual NCAA champ titles.. His PGA win as an AM... Masters Low AM.. Haskins awards (3) ...NCAA team champs,   and on and on....  if he completes the career grand slam hes no doubt top 10 all time in every sane persons book... In my book hes auto top 5 all time if he gets it.. And unless swayed otherwise id give him the top 3 vote....No doubt if he tacked on another masters for 7 Majors to tie Snead..  

My reasoning is simply competiton...  Hagen was great.. But did he have the competiton that Phil had ?  I dont think so ..

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:34 PM

View PostMSUIRONDAWGS, on 11 June 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

I'm not sure Greg had anyone close to the talent Phil has had to deal with...

Himself mostly...

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:40 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

absolutely agree..   he wins the us open and he gets my vote for #3.. if you consider what hes done with tiger in the picture its unreal how many more he would have won ...

Correct me if Iím wrong but Phil was never runner up to Tiger in a major so I donít see how he would have won more w/o TW.

Phil also only has a very limited number of runner ups in normal events if I recall correctly.


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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:28 PM

View Postcaniac6, on 11 June 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

Norman is a better business man.

Is he? Just curious since Phil is always ahead of him on the yearly golfer earnings list. Since Arnie and jack are usually way up there under tiger Iím assuming they consider business and endorsements??

View PostStlEER, on 11 June 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 11 June 2018 - 08:58 PM, said:

View Postfowlerscousin, on 11 June 2018 - 07:55 PM, said:

Phil is borderline the third best player ever to live.   Two more huge wins seals it for me

absolutely agree..   he wins the us open and he gets my vote for #3.. if you consider what hes done with tiger in the picture its unreal how many more he would have won ...

Correct me if Iím wrong but Phil was never runner up to Tiger in a major so I donít see how he would have won more w/o TW.

Phil also only has a very limited number of runner ups in normal events if I recall correctly.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:31 PM

View PostMSUIRONDAWGS, on 11 June 2018 - 08:28 PM, said:

View PostRDD, on 11 June 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

Greg not in Phil's league. Not even close. Can't believe there's even a debate

Totally agree! I was a bit bewildered at how that even was a discussion point between the guys, but yea it came up lol. Duval almost had like this "Are you f'ing kidding me look", like really?, This is even a debate?

You must not have seen Norman play back in the day
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:38 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 11 June 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

Points for Greg Norman

1. spent 331 weeks as the world #1 compared to Phil's 0
2. PGA Player of the Year once, Phil 0
3. Led the PGA Tour money list 3 times, Phil 0

Cough " he played against prime tiger" cough


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