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Most forgiving set of iron with 4 iron loft 22* or higher


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#1 BY#99

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 02:51 PM

So I have been playing PING irons for years and have the G25’s currently. As I look at all the new “forgiving” sets of irons I see 4 irons with lofts mainly 19-21. Can anyone recommend a set of irons that are forgiving without the such strong lofts?  And yes I have tried sets with 19-20 degree 4 irons which for me are impossible to hit. Seems like 22-23* in an iron is as low as I can go. I would like a 4-PW set because my gaps are good. A 5-PW is not ideal because my gapping is different with just 6 clubs vs 7. Thanks.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 03:10 PM

Srixon z545 or 565 should tick the box
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 03:12 PM

Stay with Ping.  The iE1 and i200 are awesome.
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 03:15 PM

Maltby TE or DBM
Srixon Z545 10.5* Speeder 757 Evo 3
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:19 PM

716 ap1. 22. But the rest of the set winds up killing off a wedge. Pw 43, w is 47, then u need a gw of 52ish.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

Edited by Pigems, 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:02 PM

Maltby PTM fits what you’re looking for and looks incredible in black. Competes with any set I’ve ever owned at nearly 1/3-1/2 the price fully built.




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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:14 PM

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

Agreed.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 08:20 PM

How about these?

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:26 PM

Ping i200 4 iron is 22.5* and quite forgiving.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:27 PM

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

I have looked at this but gaps are not as tight. I like having 7 clubs instead of 6 filling the gaps of 23-45 degrees. As stated I am looking to have 7 clubs fill the gap not 6. I tried a TM set for 5-PW and found too many times a round having larger gaps than I would like.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 09:28 PM

There's a lot of truth to what Pigems and cristphoto are saying (notwithstanding the 0.5" difference in clublength).

However, if that doesn't dissuade you, I'm with bigblock10's suggestion for the Srixons.  The 4i is 22* loft.  My Z 565s are for sale if you're interested.  Feel free to PM me.  I hope posting a link to your own BST ad isn't against the rules if it's relevant to the discussion.  http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1644540-srixon-z-565-cleveland-rtx-3-allen-edmonds-ogio-silencer-callaway-hyperlite-1-sunfish-covers/
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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:37 PM

Adams XTD A Tour irons

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:38 PM

 lil, on 11 June 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

How about these?

If only available, could have refinished...those and 835s were some nice sticks.

Or, just get a 4 iron hybrid and the rest players clubs, something forged.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 11:23 PM

 GSDriver, on 11 June 2018 - 10:38 PM, said:

 lil, on 11 June 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

How about these?

If only available, could have refinished...those and 835s were some nice sticks.

Or, just get a 4 iron hybrid and the rest players clubs, something forged.

This set is the hi polished set.  Bought new, 3-PW, regular flex and used for two rounds only and ready for a new home so....   :)


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:09 AM

 BY#99, on 11 June 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

I have looked at this but gaps are not as tight. I like having 7 clubs instead of 6 filling the gaps of 23-45 degrees. As stated I am looking to have 7 clubs fill the gap not 6. I tried a TM set for 5-PW and found too many times a round having larger gaps than I would like.

You still get the same 7 clubs this way, that’s what I’m trying to say. Now a days you get 5i(22ish*), 6, 7, 8, 9, Pw, GW(48ish*) instead of 4i(22ish*), 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, pw(48ish*). It’s the exact same set, they’ve just swapped the numbers to trick you into thinking you’re hitting the ball a club farther. Just trying share some info is all, I hope you find what your looking for :)
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:36 PM

 Pigems, on 12 June 2018 - 04:09 AM, said:

 BY#99, on 11 June 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

I have looked at this but gaps are not as tight. I like having 7 clubs instead of 6 filling the gaps of 23-45 degrees. As stated I am looking to have 7 clubs fill the gap not 6. I tried a TM set for 5-PW and found too many times a round having larger gaps than I would like.

You still get the same 7 clubs this way, that’s what I’m trying to say. Now a days you get 5i(22ish*), 6, 7, 8, 9, Pw, GW(48ish*) instead of 4i(22ish*), 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, pw(48ish*). It’s the exact same set, they’ve just swapped the numbers to trick you into thinking you’re hitting the ball a club farther. Just trying share some info is all, I hope you find what your looking for :)

I appreciate the comments but some sets like the Rogue are not spaced the way you are explaining. My PINGS go 4-PW at 23-45. The Rogues go 5-PW at 23-44 so they are using 6 irons for the same gap as my PINGS with 7 clubs. 5 degrees of loft between clubs is too much of a gap in my experience.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:50 PM

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:51 PM

 BY#99, on 12 June 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

 Pigems, on 12 June 2018 - 04:09 AM, said:

 BY#99, on 11 June 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You're getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they're just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it's just different numbers on the soles. :)

I have looked at this but gaps are not as tight. I like having 7 clubs instead of 6 filling the gaps of 23-45 degrees. As stated I am looking to have 7 clubs fill the gap not 6. I tried a TM set for 5-PW and found too many times a round having larger gaps than I would like.

You still get the same 7 clubs this way, that's what I'm trying to say. Now a days you get 5i(22ish*), 6, 7, 8, 9, Pw, GW(48ish*) instead of 4i(22ish*), 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, pw(48ish*). It's the exact same set, they've just swapped the numbers to trick you into thinking you're hitting the ball a club farther. Just trying share some info is all, I hope you find what your looking for :)

I appreciate the comments but some sets like the Rogue are not spaced the way you are explaining. My PINGS go 4-PW at 23-45. The Rogues go 5-PW at 23-44 so they are using 6 irons for the same gap as my PINGS with 7 clubs. 5 degrees of loft between clubs is too much of a gap in my experience.

You're forgetting about the GW. What he's saying is that instead of the usualy 4-PW you buy the new sets 5-GW and it covers the exact same range. I played the Callaway XR's for a while and the 5 was 22.5* all the way through AW (or GW if you prefer) which was 49*. I don't know about other sets, but that set was very forgiving without being a really big shovel like the pings. The only thing I would change if I went back to them is to get the Pro's, which are .5 to 1* weaker through the set. The AW is 50* instead of 49*. The cally's were really good and I enjoyed them for the time that I had them.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:24 PM

A couple of others said this, but my vote would be to stay within the PING family and get the i200.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:34 PM

 BY#99, on 11 June 2018 - 09:27 PM, said:

 Pigems, on 11 June 2018 - 07:51 PM, said:

You’re getting hung up on the number on the bottom of the club, the newer sets have 4 irons in the 22*-24* range, they’re just stamped with a 5 instead of a 4. Just get 5-A/GW instead of 4-Pw, it still covers the same 22*-24* to 48*-50* range, it’s just different numbers on the soles. :)

I have looked at this but gaps are not as tight. I like having 7 clubs instead of 6 filling the gaps of 23-45 degrees. As stated I am looking to have 7 clubs fill the gap not 6. I tried a TM set for 5-PW and found too many times a round having larger gaps than I would like.
Then you'll love the ap1 line.
4i is 22. Pw is 43. 7 clubs. Then u use 2 gap wedges of 47 and 52.
I dislike the number of clubs but I like the consistent distances.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:06 PM

Epon 503 or the new 505

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:35 PM

My i200s go 4-PW at 23-45. What’s the big argument here? Go buy another set of Pings.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:00 PM

I agree with the OP and get sick of hearing "don't get hung up on the number on the bottom of the club".

4-Pw in the old lofts is not the same as 5-Gw in the modern lofts. A PW seems to range from anywhere from 43-47° these days most often 44-46 but the set Gap wedge still seems  to be sacrosanct at approx 50°.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:40 PM

 bigblock10, on 11 June 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Srixon z545 or 565 should tick the box

I agree. I came from ping g to G400 to srixon 565. Love the srixons. My 3,4 iron are u65 with my 3 bent to 19 degrees.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:08 PM

 kiwihacker, on 12 June 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

I agree with the OP and get sick of hearing "don't get hung up on the number on the bottom of the club".

4-Pw in the old lofts is not the same as 5-Gw in the modern lofts. A PW seems to range from anywhere from 43-47° these days most often 44-46 but the set Gap wedge still seems  to be sacrosanct at approx 50°.

Thank you. This is true. Looks like from the feedback I am looking at the Srixons and maybe Titleist.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:56 AM

I'm sure you are looking for new sticks, but if you could find a slightly used set of Bridgestone J15 CBs and bend them back to old-school lofts like I did you will be very happy!
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:15 AM

 BY#99, on 12 June 2018 - 11:08 PM, said:

 kiwihacker, on 12 June 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

I agree with the OP and get sick of hearing "don't get hung up on the number on the bottom of the club".

4-Pw in the old lofts is not the same as 5-Gw in the modern lofts. A PW seems to range from anywhere from 43-47° these days most often 44-46 but the set Gap wedge still seems  to be sacrosanct at approx 50°.

Thank you. This is true. Looks like from the feedback I am looking at the Srixons and maybe Titleist.

So you are looking at Srixon or Titleist but not i200s. Weird. Good luck with your journey.

Have you thought about having Ping build you a set of G400s to your G25 specs? They can bend the individual irons differently through the set to match the old G25 set. Get your same lie angle and overall length and be good to go.

Edited by Belmont148, 13 June 2018 - 10:19 AM.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:55 AM

Look no further than post number two.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 02:23 PM

 Belmont148, on 13 June 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

 BY#99, on 12 June 2018 - 11:08 PM, said:

 kiwihacker, on 12 June 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

I agree with the OP and get sick of hearing "don't get hung up on the number on the bottom of the club".

4-Pw in the old lofts is not the same as 5-Gw in the modern lofts. A PW seems to range from anywhere from 43-47° these days most often 44-46 but the set Gap wedge still seems  to be sacrosanct at approx 50°.

Thank you. This is true. Looks like from the feedback I am looking at the Srixons and maybe Titleist.

So you are looking at Srixon or Titleist but not i200s. Weird. Good luck with your journey.

Have you thought about having Ping build you a set of G400s to your G25 specs? They can bend the individual irons differently through the set to match the old G25 set. Get your same lie angle and overall length and be good to go.

I have hit the iPINGS and for some reason I did not get along with them so well. I was able to handle the Srizons today and they are nice. Ordered a set so we will see. Plan on keeping the PINGS as well - just in case.


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