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Why'd they stop making manganese bronze putters?


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#1 ratdg1

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 01:31 PM

I just started bagging my old Ping Dalehead, and it made me start thinking.  Why don't OEMs use manganese bronze anymore? Is it a health hazard like beryllium?

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 01:35 PM

Either too expensive, or there is a health issue would be my guesses.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:55 AM

Dangerous materials.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:16 PM

I see new ones once in awhile. We were at the Golf Center at Pawleys Island a few weeks ago, and they had some new ones. Not sure you still can't order them from Ping.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 01:26 AM

As a fan who had a B60 5bz in 1994, and at xmas i grabbed a Manganese Bronze Anser 3?
and gave it some, love, i was baffled the Anser3 just felt say mushey and my Milled SS Cleveland
definitely felt better.So other than the Cool Looks, no real benefit now.

I bought an Insert Odyssey DF and some Copper Sheet and was looking to add say 3 layers of Copper Sheet vs the old Insert
but it was too much work  !!!

So thats why i felt my Classic Scotty was a bargain when i added up what i spent on 3 ansers last year!!!
I read a great thread on GSS German Stainless Steel last week, and how great it looks etc
and my guess is a GSS Custom Made putter will be every bit as sweet as any MB putter.
The $400 to $800 custom putter market offers a lot!

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:17 PM

You can still purchase Manganese Bronze putters through an authorized Ping retailer.  Morton’s website has some solid choices.
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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.
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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:30 PM

I believe the process for making ping beryllium clubs was harmful to the environment so they stopped.  I could be completely off base.  I think the last copper irons/ putters from them was the isi era.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 10:31 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.

i like that hard feel. Like to hear the "click".  Using a soft insert putter with a soft modern ball and I don't feel or hear anything

The modern putters are heavier and I like that.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 03:08 AM

View Postmergolf7, on 23 June 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

I believe the process for making ping beryllium clubs was harmful to the environment so they stopped.  I could be completely off base.  I think the last copper irons/ putters from them was the isi era.
Manganese is not beryllium...


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#11 ratdg1

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 02:58 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.

So it's more of a feel thing?  I've never had a problem with the feel on mine. It's firm, but it feels better than most milled putters when I nail the sweet spot.


View Postdicko999, on 23 June 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

You can still purchase Manganese Bronze putters through an authorized Ping retailer.  Morton’s website has some solid choices.

Did not know that.  I assumed they just stopped making them entirely.  Thanks for the tip.

Edited by ratdg1, 24 June 2018 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 03:16 PM

View PostLeoLeo99, on 23 June 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.

i like that hard feel. Like to hear the "click".  Using a soft insert putter with a soft modern ball and I don't feel or hear anything

The modern putters are heavier and I like that.
I am using a Scotty Cameron Circa 62 #6. Basically a B60 copy, no insert, and a heavier feel. I like it much better than putters with inserts.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 03:47 PM

View PostLeoLeo99, on 23 June 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.

i like that hard feel. Like to hear the "click".  Using a soft insert putter with a soft modern ball and I don't feel or hear anything

The modern putters are heavier and I like that.

I have an old Anser I putt with on my Big Moss in the man cave. It’s just a matter of personal preference but when softer milled putters became all fhe rage, and soft inserts on the Oddyssesy putters I think the sales just tanked. If Ping thought there was a demand I’m pretty sure they would get the to market.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 06:27 PM

View Postratdg1, on 24 June 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 23 June 2018 - 10:26 PM, said:

They have a very hard feel, that worked well with balata. Not so much with a modern ball.

So it's more of a feel thing?  I've never had a problem with the feel on mine. It's firm, but it feels better than most milled putters when I nail the sweet spot.


View Postdicko999, on 23 June 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

You can still purchase Manganese Bronze putters through an authorized Ping retailer.  Morton’s website has some solid choices.

Did not know that.  I assumed they just stopped making them entirely.  Thanks for the tip.

Cool customization available as well, many more options than what are shown on the website.  They are a bit light by today’s standards, but still a great putter at that price point.  Feel is very subjective and I have zero complaints with mine.  It has a sound slot which may have an influence.  Have fun!
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 05:06 AM

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Hope this opinion helps. Manganses Bronze was used by PING in the early days as it didn't scatch or 'ding' as badly as the initial softer Brass alloys that the Anser Prototypes had been made from. It also casts well and was [ relatively] cost effective. BeCu or Beryllium copper was discontinued because of Heath fears caused primarily through it's use in the aerospace industry and dust created through milling it could be a carcinogen.

Neither of these materials were faced - milled [ to the best of my knowledge] and give a relatively 'hard' clicky feel at impact even with softer compression balls.

Stainless Steel heralded a finish that basically didn't tarnish. Light Milling was utilised more I believe as a 'decorative' effect but deeper milling on most materials does seem to add a degree of softness or 'dampening' into the feel at impact. The deepest milling I've come across are by Piretti [ I have a Potenza II and a Cottonwood] plus 'Machine Putters[ I have an MA1 and MA2 - the MA2 in Copper ! ] and I game a Scotty Newport Studio Select with 20 grms weights toe and heel and it also has a deep milled face which feels softer than an Anser to me [ I have about 40 Manganses Bronze Ansers that I'm slowly bringing back to life - refurbishing -  and each one I pick up feels very slightly different].  

Obviously all sorts of inserts have been tried from the Teryllium in Tei3's to various polymer insets and latterly 'hung' metal inserts with polymer dampers behind.

The earlier Manganese Bronze and BeCu Putters seem lighter [ around 300 - 310 grm. head weight ] and more modern putters lean towards 325 grms. at the lighter end through 350 grms. up to 400 Bocchieri 'Heavy'.    


In the end it's all about feel and confidence.


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