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Tiger's Wedge Grooves - right on the edge of legal

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#1 97speedster

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:14 AM

I don't think I have ever read about this topic, but like all of Tiger's wedges in the past, TaylorMade did not put the grooves in these wedges.... TM delivered a blank face and then Tiger has his own guy in Dallas that hand cuts the grooves for ONLY Tiger. The initial cut is taken just over the legal limit and then a hand process of sanding the edges of the grooves brings them back to the legal limit.

Last week Rory tried to get TM to do the same grooves as Tiger has, and that is when TM told him that it was impossible to have done because Tiger has this groove guy in Dallas on a retainer where the only wedges he hand cuts the grooves on are for Tiger.

Edited by 97speedster, 10 June 2018 - 07:15 AM.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:29 AM

I think Rory knows the same guy
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:32 AM

Hummmm.  Source?  

I know you’re suggesting Mike at Artisan cut them, but I’d like to see the source of this info. It Sounds like the evolution of a modern myth to me.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:53 AM

This seems perfectly plausible to me. Tigerís TM wedges and irons have MTís serial etc.  The series detailing Artisan from the directors here have given great detail of how Artisan works.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 07:59 AM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 10 June 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

Hummmm.  Source?  

I know you’re suggesting Mike at Artisan cut them, but I’d like to see the source of this info. It Sounds like the evolution of a modern myth to me.

Actually I am not suggesting that even though it might be the case. I have very good sources and will confirm with even better sources this week.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:00 AM

Iím sure MT still helps Nike guys out....I read somewhere he still does stuff for Patrick Reed
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:04 AM

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  What's the issue?
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:45 AM

I imagine all tour wedges are right on the limit.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:47 AM

FW Pro should be able to iron this out. I don't think MT would EVER turn down Rory, and he has already made wedges for Patrick Reed...BEFORE he made Tiger's.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:21 AM

View Postjonn443, on 10 June 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

FW Pro should be able to iron this out. I don't think MT would EVER turn down Rory, and he has already made wedges for Patrick Reed...BEFORE he made Tiger's.

I never said Mike from Artisan made them.... it was assumed by some seeing I mentioned Dallas. TM didn't do the grooves, they provided blank faces so Tiger could have his own grooves done the way he likes them.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:42 AM

The golf wrx video with mike Taylor, he said he hasnít worked on anything for tiger recently.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:57 AM

View Postjmudo, on 10 June 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

The golf wrx video with mike Taylor, he said he hasn’t worked on anything for tiger recently.

I’d bet a boatload of money that Mike did some very extensive “consulting” work on those wedges and got a hefty check from TM and a non disclosure agreement to sign.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:01 AM

View Postjmudo, on 10 June 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

The golf wrx video with mike Taylor, he said he hasn't worked on anything for tiger recently.

He was asked "are you grinding any wedges for him right now?".  He answered "no, not right now".  Tiger could've been sitting on his TM wedges for some time.  Also we have no idea when this was filmed.  

"No, not RIGHT NOW".  Plenty of room for ambiguity.

Edited by tylernim, 10 June 2018 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:08 AM

I suspect that every club in Tiger's bag is right at the edge of conforming.  As are all the clubs that every player on tour plays.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:24 PM

View Posttylernim, on 10 June 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

View Postjmudo, on 10 June 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

The golf wrx video with mike Taylor, he said he hasn't worked on anything for tiger recently.

He was asked "are you grinding any wedges for him right now?".  He answered "no, not right now".  Tiger could've been sitting on his TM wedges for some time.  Also we have no idea when this was filmed.  

"No, not RIGHT NOW".  Plenty of room for ambiguity.

would put money on that TM took one of tigers Nike wedges that MT did in the past and digitally laser measured it then put it into a CAD program and had the sole milled exactly the same, if you look at the pics of the wedges they have the mill lines on the entire sole, so doesn't look like must if any hand work was done on his current set. which is smart so they can give Tiger replacement wedges that are exactly the same every time

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:39 PM

If you read this article, Mike Taylor sent TM grinds that he knew Tiger liked and then it sounds like TM milled them in house. The article also says that Taylor built the wedges, which I would assume just entailed shafting and gripping them how Tiger has always played his wedges. So, while Taylor didn't grind those specific wedges, it sounds like he had extensive input and TM basically recreated his design.

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They also appear to still have Artisan (Mike Taylor) style serial numbers on the hosel.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:45 PM

View PostNessism, on 10 June 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.  What's the issue?

I think the implication is that no one is checking to see if they fall under the threshold set by the PGA.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:20 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 10 June 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:


I think the implication is that no one is checking to see if they fall under the threshold set by the PGA.

There is no way Tiger isn't going to make sure they are legal before using them in competition, it would not be worth the risk for him.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:25 PM

TW gets all the preferential treatment!

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:40 PM

This is how urban legend stuff gets rolling. No way wedges are cut past point of conformity and then dulled by inconsistent hand process- cut to precise tolerances right up to line of conformity within rules with proper radius,displacement, etc. absolutely.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:53 PM

View Postelwhippy, on 10 June 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

I imagine all tour wedges are right on the limit.

Yup, pretty pointless thread
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:09 PM

Iím shocked I hadnít smelled this thread before now.  So much crap in such a small space .  

Op.  Iím not sure what to say.    I have a vivid imagination, so I get that.  But this is 101%. Made up.    So many tour guys use MT now itís crazy to say tiger has him on lockdown.  Rory could absolutely get the same wedges if he wanted.  And has used him in the past.  

May as well have said Miurasan himself delivered the blanks riding in a golden charriot being pulled by virgin unicorn stallions !  Come on man !

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:12 PM

View Postjmudo, on 10 June 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

The golf wrx video with mike Taylor, he said he hasnít worked on anything for tiger recently.


Lol.  I havenít eaten crepes recently.  It was about 1130 this morning.  That was over 4 hours ago.  Who knows what Iíve eateb since then.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:17 PM

View Post97speedster, on 10 June 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 10 June 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

Hummmm.  Source?  

I know youíre suggesting Mike at Artisan cut them, but Iíd like to see the source of this info. It Sounds like the evolution of a modern myth to me.

Actually I am not suggesting that even though it might be the case. I have very good sources and will confirm with even better sources this week.

We will await names with baited breathe !  Lol.

Silly.  Hand cut.  Goodness. Read Wishons explanation on groove manufacturing.   The tolerances are so minute.  Thereís no way they can be performed by hand.  He even says plenty donít conform when made by Machine.  Itís that tight. They arenít all checked once that model is on the conforming list anyway.  Plenty of ď illegal grooves ď running around.   No way to know.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:50 PM

padraig harrington was doing this for years...

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:56 PM

View Post97speedster, on 10 June 2018 - 02:20 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 10 June 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

I think the implication is that no one is checking to see if they fall under the threshold set by the PGA.

There is no way Tiger isn't going to make sure they are legal before using them in competition, it would not be worth the risk for him.

Relax. It was my interpretation of someone else's statement.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:00 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 10 June 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

Iím shocked I hadnít smelled this thread before now.  So much crap in such a small space .  

Op.  Iím not sure what to say.    I have a vivid imagination, so I get that.  But this is 101%. Made up.    So many tour guys use MT now itís crazy to say tiger has him on lockdown.  Rory could absolutely get the same wedges if he wanted.  And has used him in the past.  

May as well have said Miurasan himself delivered the blanks riding in a golden charriot being pulled by virgin unicorn stallions !  Come on man !
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:17 PM

The custom cut grooves do not make a huge difference. It's the fact that the wedges are soaked 72 hours in Unicorn blood.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 04:39 PM

View Postlowheel, on 10 June 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

padraig harrington was doing this for years...

https://www.golfchan...sneaky-bastard/

Not the same. Paddy had every other iron cut with box grooves or similar.  That way he essentially had more irons.  Some would spin back. Some release. But thatís before they were illegal.  Only same if tigers were illegal now.   You cant cut a groove any more close to legal than some retail grooves are now.  Ever play a Vega or yuyuri wedge ?  You get pieces of ball cover in every pitch shot in between the grooves.  And they are legal.  

If tigers are that sharp Iíd be shocked ,  but so what if they are.  It isnít a rarity on tour. And certainly not something Rory couldnít have if he wanted.

Edited by bladehunter, 10 June 2018 - 04:40 PM.


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Posted 10 June 2018 - 05:11 PM

I remember someone saying that they thought the grooves on either Tiger's irons or wedges looked more tightly spaced than what we've seen in other irons. That was just a poster eyeballing them, but yeah there's that.

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