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Jimmy Walker admits to regularly breaking rule of golf on Twitter


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#241 Finbarr Saunders

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 03:28 AM

 Ashley Schaeffer, on 12 June 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

 Finbarr Saunders, on 12 June 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

I like that your picking up what i'm putting down, now as i said rules are everything  (The Rules of Amateur Status do not apply to betting or gambling by amateur golfer
on the results of a competition limited to or specifically organised for professional golfers.) so Jack ends up with 16 to tigers 10

That's awesome!  I think it would be a very good idea for almost every amateur that qualifies for the US Open or any pro event to get some money and bet the s*** out of it so they can maybe net some profit on the tourney from their own play!  You know? Run end around the stupid rules prohibiting amateurs from taking prize money.  Great loophole with which I'm sure the USGA is OK.  They could do it for years and still win US Amateurs!

EDIT: Bummer, that link was to some other governing body that doesn't conduct the US Amateur.  Also, it mentions "not for financial gain".  Dang.  Also, I'm pretty sure it might change if the "amateur" golfer admitted he gambled on an event in which he actually played.  Oof.  So, back to 15-10, Nicklaus.

I see your angle.

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The Rules of Amateur Status do not apply to betting or gambling by amateur golfers on the results of a competition limited to or specifically organized for professional golfers.

16-10

Edited by Finbarr Saunders, 13 June 2018 - 03:32 AM.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:29 AM

Screw Jimmy Walker, screw the PGA TOUR, screw all these guys. I will be voting with my remote control.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 12:25 PM

 Finbarr Saunders, on 13 June 2018 - 03:28 AM, said:

 Ashley Schaeffer, on 12 June 2018 - 08:40 PM, said:

 Finbarr Saunders, on 12 June 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

I like that your picking up what i'm putting down, now as i said rules are everything  (The Rules of Amateur Status do not apply to betting or gambling by amateur golfer
on the results of a competition limited to or specifically organised for professional golfers.) so Jack ends up with 16 to tigers 10

That's awesome!  I think it would be a very good idea for almost every amateur that qualifies for the US Open or any pro event to get some money and bet the s*** out of it so they can maybe net some profit on the tourney from their own play!  You know? Run end around the stupid rules prohibiting amateurs from taking prize money.  Great loophole with which I'm sure the USGA is OK.  They could do it for years and still win US Amateurs!

EDIT: Bummer, that link was to some other governing body that doesn't conduct the US Amateur.  Also, it mentions "not for financial gain".  Dang.  Also, I'm pretty sure it might change if the "amateur" golfer admitted he gambled on an event in which he actually played.  Oof.  So, back to 15-10, Nicklaus.

I see your angle.

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The Rules of Amateur Status do not apply to betting or gambling by amateur golfers on the results of a competition limited to or specifically organized for professional golfers.

16-10

It's the same analysis. That says nothing about an am gambling when he's in the field.
I'm pretty sure the USGA would come down hard on an amateur in the field at the US Open this week openly gambling on the event, and then winning the US Am next year.
I would bet (haha) the player wouldn't even be allowed to tee it up in the US Am.  

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:30 PM

 Vindog, on 10 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

A strange admission, but under R22 is a player actually required to lift his ball?  The wording there is "may" not "must" and unless he doesn't lift when asked and there is no agreement to waive the rule, I'm not sure what there is to penalize.

Is a rule actually being broken?
agreed......

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:51 PM

 Ben Martinez, on 13 June 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

 Vindog, on 10 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

A strange admission, but under R22 is a player actually required to lift his ball?  The wording there is "may" not "must" and unless he doesn't lift when asked and there is no agreement to waive the rule, I'm not sure what there is to penalize.

Is a rule actually being broken?
agreed......

Read the JW confession and the whole rule.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 05:50 AM

 QEight, on 13 June 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 Ben Martinez, on 13 June 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

 Vindog, on 10 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

A strange admission, but under R22 is a player actually required to lift his ball?  The wording there is "may" not "must" and unless he doesn't lift when asked and there is no agreement to waive the rule, I'm not sure what there is to penalize.

Is a rule actually being broken?
agreed......

Read the JW confession and the whole rule.

I read the first few of his twiter comments in the original link and there was no admission of any agreement between him and other players that I saw.  Was there some other comments you're referring to?

Edited by Stuart G., 14 June 2018 - 05:51 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM

 Stuart G., on 14 June 2018 - 05:50 AM, said:

 QEight, on 13 June 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 Ben Martinez, on 13 June 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

 Vindog, on 10 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

A strange admission, but under R22 is a player actually required to lift his ball?  The wording there is "may" not "must" and unless he doesn't lift when asked and there is no agreement to waive the rule, I'm not sure what there is to penalize.

Is a rule actually being broken?
agreed......

Read the JW confession and the whole rule.

I read the first few of his twiter comments in the original link and there was no admission of any agreement between him and other players that I saw.  Was there some other comments you're referring to?

He asks players if they would like him to mark or leave it...

Edited by FiveSixAce, 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:38 AM

 bladehunter, on 11 June 2018 - 05:44 PM, said:

Just saw his interview on this and think he mirrors what I said earlier. That he is just telling us how it is On tour.  He said " I'll just say , do you want me to put a mark on that "?   And he moves accordingly.  I say the same if a person is pitching and ready to go.  Purely to not jump in the way. Immelmann just said he did the same.

But that isn't what he said on twitter.  He said he leaves it for guys he likes and marks for others?

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:39 AM

 FiveSixAce, on 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

 Stuart G., on 14 June 2018 - 05:50 AM, said:

 QEight, on 13 June 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

 Ben Martinez, on 13 June 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

 Vindog, on 10 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

A strange admission, but under R22 is a player actually required to lift his ball?  The wording there is "may" not "must" and unless he doesn't lift when asked and there is no agreement to waive the rule, I'm not sure what there is to penalize.

Is a rule actually being broken?
agreed......

Read the JW confession and the whole rule.

I read the first few of his twiter comments in the original link and there was no admission of any agreement between him and other players that I saw.  Was there some other comments you're referring to?

He asks players if they would like him to mark or leave it...
And sometimes the decision whether to mark is based at least partly on whether the guy is a friend or not, so he's intentionally trying to give a potential advantage to only select players.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:48 AM

 davep043, on 14 June 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

 FiveSixAce, on 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

He asks players if they would like him to mark or leave it...
And sometimes the decision whether to mark is based at least partly on whether the guy is a friend or not, so he's intentionally trying to give a potential advantage to only select players.

While certainly an interesting issue in the context of morality or ethics,  that's not always the same as being an explicit violation of the rule.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:54 AM

 Stuart G., on 14 June 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

 davep043, on 14 June 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

 FiveSixAce, on 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

He asks players if they would like him to mark or leave it...
And sometimes the decision whether to mark is based at least partly on whether the guy is a friend or not, so he's intentionally trying to give a potential advantage to only select players.

While certainly an interesting issue in the context of morality or ethics,  that's not always the same as being an explicit violation of the rule.

Tacit agreements or verbal agreements made in the parking lot prior to the round are still agreements?
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:57 AM

 Stuart G., on 14 June 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

 davep043, on 14 June 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

 FiveSixAce, on 14 June 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

He asks players if they would like him to mark or leave it...
And sometimes the decision whether to mark is based at least partly on whether the guy is a friend or not, so he's intentionally trying to give a potential advantage to only select players.

While certainly an interesting issue in the context of morality or ethics,  that's not always the same as being an explicit violation of the rule.
It does get to the issue of protecting the field, and a referee with the group has the authority to tell a player to mark and lift his ball, in order to protect the field. Here's a Decision:
"22/6

Competitor Requests That Ball in Position to Assist Him Not Be Lifted


Q.In stroke play, B's ball lies just off the putting green. A's ball lies near the hole in a position to serve as a backstop for B's ball. B requests A not to lift his ball. Is such a request proper?


A.No. If A and B agree not to lift a ball that might assist B, both players are disqualified under Rule 22-1.
That doesn't say that they competitors have to mention the possibility that the ball might assist, the ball simply has to be there.  A question "Do you want me to lift this" and answer "No, leave it" is enough, to me, to indicate that they've agreed, even if they don't talk about the potential to assist.  If the ball is a foot pasts the hole, its potential to assist is evident to anyone.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:46 AM

 sui generis, on 14 June 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

Tacit agreements or verbal agreements made in the parking lot prior to the round are still agreements?

No disagreement.  I could have missed something (which is why I asked the question in the first place), but I didn't see any admission of any such agreement in his posts. There was no indication or even hint of any inherent reciprocation that I could see (which is a prerequisite for an agreement).  I would judge his decision is based more on a whim than any agreement. But that's just my interpretation of what he said.

 davep043, on 14 June 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

Here's a Decision:
"22/6
Competitor Requests That Ball in Position to Assist Him Not Be Lifted

deja vu  ;-)

Edited by Stuart G., 14 June 2018 - 10:46 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:05 PM

A bit of an update on Jimmy from today:

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:53 PM

 BiggErn, on 11 June 2018 - 11:54 PM, said:

 Jasonic, on 11 June 2018 - 11:46 PM, said:

 BiggErn, on 11 June 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

 Potatohead, on 11 June 2018 - 11:14 AM, said:

Did anybody post these yet?

https://ftw.usatoday...eo-golf-channel

Balls on the green should be marked when other people are chipping - Period.


Do they paint a line around every green to dictate the “must mark” zone?

Not needed if you’re a smart person who can think for themselves. Pretty obvious if you’ve golfed more than once.


Lol what? Your response is as vague as the issue at hand. Your attempt at insult doesn’t bother me either btw.

Cool. It’s not hard to understand when to mark your ball. It’s not an insult but an easy observation.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:54 PM

 Always_rough, on 12 June 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

 BiggErn, on 12 June 2018 - 12:05 AM, said:

 lowheel, on 11 June 2018 - 11:54 PM, said:

I cant believe this counted... should have been DQed right away!!!!



Obviously should’ve been marked! A smart person that had golfed more than once would know that!

Alright I understand this is sarcasm, or at least I hope, but to clarify for anyone who might see this otherwise, shots like this aren't what people in this thread are complaining about.

What we're talking about is, if around the green you have time to mark before your partner chips, ESPECIALLY in instances where if they were to hit your ball it would benefit them, then you SHOULD mark to protect the field. Anywhere from 10 yards out is ridiculous to ask to mark.

That is a smart comment. Some people like to argue just to prove some point that doesn’t make sense.
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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:22 PM

Meh, I think the practical impact on the field is less than when crowds and partners help search for a lost ball.  If DJ hadn't gotten lucky on the lost ball we might have had a different leader after 36. Things could have gone downhill if he had had to re-tee it.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:09 PM

 Naptime, on 16 June 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Meh, I think the practical impact on the field is less than when crowds and partners help search for a lost ball.  If DJ hadn't gotten lucky on the lost ball we might have had a different leader after 36. Things could have gone downhill if he had had to re-tee it.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 07:06 PM

 sui generis, on 16 June 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

 Naptime, on 16 June 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Meh, I think the practical impact on the field is less than when crowds and partners help search for a lost ball.  If DJ hadn't gotten lucky on the lost ball we might have had a different leader after 36. Things could have gone downhill if he had had to re-tee it.

Dear Newbie, it's the done thing here to stick to the topic, rather than wander off and insert your own delusions into an ongoing thread.

Been lurking here long enough to see threads wander all over the place.  Was just trying to fit in :-)

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 08:32 PM

 Naptime, on 16 June 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

 sui generis, on 16 June 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

 Naptime, on 16 June 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Meh, I think the practical impact on the field is less than when crowds and partners help search for a lost ball.  If DJ hadn't gotten lucky on the lost ball we might have had a different leader after 36. Things could have gone downhill if he had had to re-tee it.

Dear Newbie, it's the done thing here to stick to the topic, rather than wander off and insert your own delusions into an ongoing thread.

Been lurking here long enough to see threads wander all over the place.  Was just trying to fit in :-)

Well, there's fit(ting) in and there's "fitting out." :)

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