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#1 MelloYello

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:10 AM

So I'm sure many of you just got that morning email as well, but if not it announced that ratings were really pitiful.
  • "Thursday's first-round telecast on Fox Sports 1 drew a .09, tying the lowest first round rating of any televised LPGA event in 2018."
I feel bad reading that. It's such a shame. I didn't think the broadcasts were terrible at all. I'd take the normal announcing crew any day of the week because they're 10x more familiar with the game than folks like Buck and Azinger who clearly don't follow the current LPGA, but that said, I enjoyed it as I breezed through it on Sunday night.

That's how I do it. I DVR each tournament and FF through commercials and whatnot to stay up on things. I have fallen way behind this year, but it's a shame to hear ratings are down. I for one really enjoy the LPGA coverage most weeks and consider it one the reason I actually still pay for TV.

I'm on the verge of dropping TV and golf is one of the few things keeping me on board. If it were to go away or get heavily reduced, I'd definitely just ditch the monthly bill and stop watching golf 100%, I think. To be honest though, I just don't think many people are into the LPGA. I fear it's not considered real golf by the majority of viewers.

On the other hand, I actually find the broadcasts more subdued than the PGA stuff and for that reason far more watchable. The men's game has become filled with hype. The commentators gush over the same guys for the same reason to the point I just feel my IQ level drops when I tune in. The commentators on the LPGA are far more chill and for whatever reason I dig that. I love having it on in the mornings on weekends while I'm doing things about the house.

IDK...sad news if you ask me.

And lastly...how is Ariya not considered a "star?" She's one of the most prominent players on the tour! Let's count all the South Koreans who apparently aren't "stars" either. I guess it wasn't Wie or Creamer or some American that gets coverage regardless of score but good Lord, if you didn't get pumped watching Ariya this weekend (good and bad), you aren't a fan of golf.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:21 AM

I have a few players that I enjoy watching; among those, I really enjoy watching Brooke Henderson.  It was a shame that she withdrew, but of course family comes before golf.

I did watch most of Sunday, and I admire Ariya's game and golf swing.  Crazy that it went to a playoff.  I would have thought that the earlier tee off times of the Memorial would have benefited the ladies.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:38 AM

View PostMelloYello, on 06 June 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

I just don't think many people are into the LPGA. I fear it's not considered real golf by the majority of viewers.

I think there is some truth to this. My wife hates when I watch the LPGA. "Why is that?" "Because, it's just not real golf."

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:09 AM

I get the same response from my roommate. He'll tolerate it being on, but he sees nothing in it and thinks it's silly I watch it. I can tell you that Kerr's ridiculous talking to the ball annoys both fans and non-fans alike! But even on this board, it's a very small sub-group of folks who follow it which seems weird to me.

I'm curious as to why I'm drawn to the LPGA. I get that there are obvious reasons why a guy might prefer to watch ladies...but all that aside I legitimately feel there's something about the golf and the broadcasts that I just enjoy and so I'm surprised more guys don't enjoy it.

I'll be honest, I like very few things about the men's game these days. I don't watch the tournaments anymore outside of the biggies. I just kind of feel done with it TBH. It's so tired watching the same crap over and over. Something about the LPGA feels fresher.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:11 AM

Keep in mind those are US ratings only.  Would be interesting to see the global viewership for each of the 4 rounds.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:12 AM

I have a feeling that many people didn't know that Fox was covering the tournament. If one has a DVR set up to record the LPGA on TGC, it skipped the tournament. How many people sat down Thursday evening to watch the timeshifted coverage and found that there was no USWO on their DVR?

Refresh my memory. Did the USGA run any commercials on The Golf Channel for the USWO?

Whoever wrote the blurb about there being no stars is an a**hat. A nine time winner and former World's #1 doesn't qualify as a star? I guess Ariya needs to dye her ponytail blonde.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:39 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

I have a feeling that many people didn't know that Fox was covering the tournament. If one has a DVR set up to record the LPGA on TGC, it skipped the tournament. How many people sat down Thursday evening to watch the timeshifted coverage and found that there was no USWO on their DVR?

Refresh my memory. Did the USGA run any commercials on The Golf Channel for the USWO?

Whoever wrote the blurb about there being no stars is an a**hat. A nine time winner and former World's #1 doesn't qualify as a star? I guess Ariya needs to dye her ponytail blonde.

Very true. I've missed some of the bigger tournaments over the years by not preemptively searching for the off-TGC coverage. I do hate when it's unexpectedly being featured somewhere else. That also brings in non-LPGA announcing crews.

I laughed at the ponytail comment. ;)
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:42 AM

View PostMelloYello, on 06 June 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

I have a feeling that many people didn't know that Fox was covering the tournament. If one has a DVR set up to record the LPGA on TGC, it skipped the tournament. How many people sat down Thursday evening to watch the timeshifted coverage and found that there was no USWO on their DVR?

Refresh my memory. Did the USGA run any commercials on The Golf Channel for the USWO?

Whoever wrote the blurb about there being no stars is an a**hat. A nine time winner and former World's #1 doesn't qualify as a star? I guess Ariya needs to dye her ponytail blonde.

Very true. I've missed some of the bigger tournaments over the years by not preemptively searching for the off-TGC coverage. I do hate when it's unexpectedly being featured somewhere else. That also brings in non-LPGA announcing crews.

I laughed at the ponytail comment. ;)

I've been burned a few times myself. I have a task manager on my smartphone, and now it has annual reminders about the majors that are broadcast on the other networks, e.g. The Open Championship.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:47 AM

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I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Funny, but the last time I looked at the men's world rankings half of the players were non-American. More than half the top 20 are foreign.

'Must be really hurting the PGA to have Justin Rose, Rahm, Rory, Jason, and Hideki stealing TV time from the yanks.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:49 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one. To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Lot of people won't like the bold part above but it's just the truth. And this is coming from a huge LPGA fan. The wife and I record and watch every LPGA event and rarely watch the men except for the majors.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:52 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Well, I blame the American women for some of it. Where are they? The rest of the world doesn't seem to have an issue generating good-looking golf swings that simply perform better.

Even Lexi is kind of hard to watch. She's easy to pull for as a person so I'm not knocking her, but gosh, why doesn't the USA generate it's own S.H. Park who you want to watch swing over and over? I'm still waiting on an American who has a polished swing and who can contend week-in, week-out.

I think you have to be careful with the American-bias. The LPGA wants to promote Americans (we all understand that) but you can't over-rate people.

I have no problem watching Koreans dominate the tour. That became the norm several years back. I think we're all mostly used to it and to some degree this whole "it's not popular because it's not American" is kind of BS.

I don't feel the tournaments would automatically be better with more Americans. If anything, the tour has gotten better because it's more diverse and global.


And that's my point...I'm a normal guy so if it works for me, why isn't it working for other people?

Edited by MelloYello, 06 June 2018 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 09:58 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Funny, but the last time I looked at the men's world rankings half of the players were non-American. More than half the top 20 are foreign.

'Must be really hurting the PGA to have Justin Rose, Rahm, Rory, Jason, and Hideki stealing TV time from the yanks.

Exactly...and moreover, golfers are popular because (1) they're good and (2) the incredible hype machine works.


Rory isn't fascinating because of his interviews. Tiger wasn't either. It's the golf that draws us in and the hype that builds around that . You can easily build around non-Americans. So maybe the golf isn't there on the LPGA like it could be? I just don't buy the no-Americans argument. It's just not true.

People get excited for a lot of reasons...nationality wouldn't seem to be high on the list unless we're talking Ryder cup or something.

Tiger was half Thai and that was never a big thing. People remembered it but it wasn't ever a reason to love or hate him.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:00 AM

I'm not sure how big a impact was had but I watched Thurs. and Fri. online.   The featured groups those days (well Thurs, no rain delay) were enough for me and I also liked the stream broadcast better.  I'm sure there were a few others like me

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:02 AM

Regarding the low market share for the broadcast, it used to be that it was a rating based upon "live viewership" and did not factor in PVR events.  I don't know if this is still the case, but if it is, I can understand the lower numbers vis a vis the viewer ratings.  It means that people can watch the Memorial live and then the USWO afterwards.  So many people that I know were watching the Memorial precisely because Tiger was striping the ball with his irons and was flirting with contention & winning.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:21 AM

Also keep in mind, these numbers are deceiving.  Times have changed and TV is slowly dying, these shares numbers have plunged across the board in the last decade.  Take a show like American Idol going a far back as 2009 had it's network market share in the 20's this season's redux has a ratings share of 1.5 average and it's still one of the best rated TV shows each week.  So every show or broadcast has lower ratings than 10 years ago.  I think you are gonna see that all TV mediums will have the lowest ratings going forward

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:31 AM

I watch the LPGA a fair bit, and I actually forgot it was US Women's Open week until I saw the tournament on Saturday while flipping through the channels.  It was not promoted AT ALL on TV.  I certainly dont remember it even being really promoted on the Golf Channel - i realize that its NBC owned and the USGA events are on Fox, but still...if you are a channel devoted to covering golf, their coverage of the USWO was horrid.  Ive seen plenty of ads promoting the USO at Shinnecock on the Golf Channel.

Perhaps the US Women's Open would benefit by having it on Mother's Day weekend, much like how Father's Day is associated with championship Sunday for the US Open.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

View PostGolf Dino, on 06 June 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Regarding the low market share for the broadcast, it used to be that it was a rating based upon "live viewership" and did not factor in PVR events.  I don't know if this is still the case, but if it is, I can understand the lower numbers vis a vis the viewer ratings.  It means that people can watch the Memorial live and then the USWO afterwards.  So many people that I know were watching the Memorial precisely because Tiger was striping the ball with his irons and was flirting with contention & winning.

Great comments Dino.  How and when content is consumed has changed so much from a ratings perspective.  There was an article in the WSJ last year that talked about people who watched programming that was delayed around 30 seconds as not being counted as part of the live audience but being in the delayed audience.  The numbers reported for the USWO were live viewers, not those who recorded the programming and watched at their convenience like Arg, who was probably comfy in his Lazy Boy, hopefully with an adult beverage resting at the ready.

And I'll risk boring people with this comment but the LPGA itself is more focused on Global viewership as opposed to our little corner of the world.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:35 AM

I was happy to hear a number of my fellow golfers tell me they watched the Open on Sunday because a) it was raining here, and 2) the Memorial was boring.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:46 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Funny, but the last time I looked at the men's world rankings half of the players were non-American. More than half the top 20 are foreign.

'Must be really hurting the PGA to have Justin Rose, Rahm, Rory, Jason, and Hideki stealing TV time from the yanks.

Rail against the idea all you want .. But the LPGA suffers because it doesnt have a american star....  Not a made up star...But one that wins or dominates... Said this in another version of this thread.. If Wie had panned out to be the Female Tiger the LPGA would have enjoyed a boom just like the pga did...  An asian takeover will not grow this tour..why ? it wont bring in american $.  

Most true american fans want to route for an american ..  Competition is needed to keep a golf tour alive.   Like it or not most american fans man and women see it as us vs them.  and if its only  them competing against each other then you are capped now at enthusiasm for the tour.   There arent enough older guys with memories of Korea to keep the tour afloat forever.

I pulled for Ariya to win as i like her game. But have you ever noticed how she doesnt get the attention and love other players get ?  The other "sexier" asian players get the attention and she needs to win win win to be mentioned on this forum..  which she can do .

Point is they gave grown the tour all they can off the "sex sells" model.  it will take an american star who wins at a good clip to grow it in the states .

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:49 AM

View PostMelloYello, on 06 June 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Funny, but the last time I looked at the men's world rankings half of the players were non-American. More than half the top 20 are foreign.

'Must be really hurting the PGA to have Justin Rose, Rahm, Rory, Jason, and Hideki stealing TV time from the yanks.

Exactly...and moreover, golfers are popular because (1) they're good and (2) the incredible hype machine works.


Rory isn't fascinating because of his interviews. Tiger wasn't either. It's the golf that draws us in and the hype that builds around that . You can easily build around non-Americans. So maybe the golf isn't there on the LPGA like it could be? I just don't buy the no-Americans argument. It's just not true.

People get excited for a lot of reasons...nationality wouldn't seem to be high on the list unless we're talking Ryder cup or something.

Tiger was half Thai and that was never a big thing. People remembered it but it wasn't ever a reason to love or hate him.



not race...nationality..Tiger being half Thai has zero to do with his American identity
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:51 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 06 June 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

View PostGolf Dino, on 06 June 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

Regarding the low market share for the broadcast, it used to be that it was a rating based upon "live viewership" and did not factor in PVR events.  I don't know if this is still the case, but if it is, I can understand the lower numbers vis a vis the viewer ratings.  It means that people can watch the Memorial live and then the USWO afterwards.  So many people that I know were watching the Memorial precisely because Tiger was striping the ball with his irons and was flirting with contention & winning.

Great comments Dino.  How and when content is consumed has changed so much from a ratings perspective.  There was an article in the WSJ last year that talked about people who watched programming that was delayed around 30 seconds as not being counted as part of the live audience but being in the delayed audience.  The numbers reported for the USWO were live viewers, not those who recorded the programming and watched at their convenience like Arg, who was probably comfy in his Lazy Boy, hopefully with an adult beverage resting at the ready.

And I'll risk boring people with this comment but the LPGA itself is more focused on Global viewership as opposed to our little corner of the world.

Yes, I guess a Goose Island Bourbon County Imperial Stout counts as an adult beverage. :drinks:

I can't recall the last time I watched any golf live. For the USWO, I was generally 30 minutes behind the live feed on Sunday.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:00 AM

If fans are waiting for a dominant player, they're going to be waiting a long time, regardless of their country. There's so much talent right now that no one player is rising to a dominant status. We've had six World #1's in the past year.

The U.S. hasn't had a dominant player on the LPGA since, well, before the Rolex rankings were instituted in 2006. Stacy had a good run of 25 weeks at #1, but otherwise it's been sparse.

There are plenty of excellent, young American women to cheer for, Jessica, Nelly, Danielle, Lexi, Megan, Michelle, Alex, Lizette, Marina, Jennifer, Austin, Amy, Angel, Erynne, Emma, etc. Pick one. Pick a handful. Pick them all.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:06 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

If fans are waiting for a dominant player, they're going to be waiting a long time, regardless of their country. There's so much talent right now that no one player is rising to a dominant status. We've had six World #1's in the past year.

The U.S. hasn't had a dominant player on the LPGA since, well, before the Rolex rankings were instituted in 2006. Stacy had a good run of 25 weeks at #1, but otherwise it's been sparse.

There are plenty of excellent, young American women to cheer for, Jessica, Nelly, Danielle, Lexi, Megan, Michelle, Alex, Lizette, Marina, Jennifer, Austin, Amy, Angel, Erynne, Emma, etc. Pick one. Pick a handful. Pick them all.

That doesnít  answer the OPS question.  My comments did.  Canít really rebut them with ď there are a lot of Americans pick one. Or pick them all ď.  Nobody picks and cheers for someone who isnít going to win more than once in a blue moon.  Thanks for making my point.

Edit -  why do they need to be young ?  Iíd love to cheer for a 40 something Gal who beat up on the current stars regularly.  You wouldnít ?

Edited by bladehunter, 06 June 2018 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:13 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 June 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

If fans are waiting for a dominant player, they're going to be waiting a long time, regardless of their country. There's so much talent right now that no one player is rising to a dominant status. We've had six World #1's in the past year.

The U.S. hasn't had a dominant player on the LPGA since, well, before the Rolex rankings were instituted in 2006. Stacy had a good run of 25 weeks at #1, but otherwise it's been sparse.

There are plenty of excellent, young American women to cheer for, Jessica, Nelly, Danielle, Lexi, Megan, Michelle, Alex, Lizette, Marina, Jennifer, Austin, Amy, Angel, Erynne, Emma, etc. Pick one. Pick a handful. Pick them all.

That doesn't  answer the OPS question.  My comments did.  Can't really rebut them with " there are a lot of Americans pick one. Or pick them all ".  Nobody picks and cheers for someone who isn't going to win more than once in a blue moon.  Thanks for making my point.

Edit -  why do they need to be young ?  I'd love to cheer for a 40 something Gal who beat up on the current stars regularly.  You wouldn't ?

Nobody is winning more than once in a blue moon. That doesn't seem to hurt the overseas viewership numbers.

It's sad that fans need a superstar to have any interest in a sport. I guess me being from Chicago clouds my judgement. The Bears haven't won a Superbowl in over 30 years. The Cubs won one in 106 years. Bulls 17 years. Etc, etc, etc.


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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:24 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 06 June 2018 - 10:46 AM, said:

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:47 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

Funny, but the last time I looked at the men's world rankings half of the players were non-American. More than half the top 20 are foreign.

'Must be really hurting the PGA to have Justin Rose, Rahm, Rory, Jason, and Hideki stealing TV time from the yanks.

Rail against the idea all you want .. But the LPGA suffers because it doesnt have a american star....  Not a made up star...But one that wins or dominates... Said this in another version of this thread.. If Wie had panned out to be the Female Tiger the LPGA would have enjoyed a boom just like the pga did...  An asian takeover will not grow this tour..why ? it wont bring in american $.  

Most true american fans want to route for an american ..  Competition is needed to keep a golf tour alive.   Like it or not most american fans man and women see it as us vs them.  and if its only  them competing against each other then you are capped now at enthusiasm for the tour.   There arent enough older guys with memories of Korea to keep the tour afloat forever.

I pulled for Ariya to win as i like her game. But have you ever noticed how she doesnt get the attention and love other players get ?  The other "sexier" asian players get the attention and she needs to win win win to be mentioned on this forum..  which she can do .

Point is they gave grown the tour all they can off the "sex sells" model.  it will take an american star who wins at a good clip to grow it in the states .

This comment is on point. Hard to see the LPGA growing stateside without a superlative American talent, that can regularly challenge (and beat) the international contingent.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:26 AM

View PostMelloYello, on 06 June 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

I get the same response from my roommate. He'll tolerate it being on, but he sees nothing in it and thinks it's silly I watch it. I can tell you that Kerr's ridiculous talking to the ball annoys both fans and non-fans alike! But even on this board, it's a very small sub-group of folks who follow it which seems weird to me.

I'm curious as to why I'm drawn to the LPGA. I get that there are obvious reasons why a guy might prefer to watch ladies...but all that aside I legitimately feel there's something about the golf and the broadcasts that I just enjoy and so I'm surprised more guys don't enjoy it.

I'll be honest, I like very few things about the men's game these days. I don't watch the tournaments anymore outside of the biggies. I just kind of feel done with it TBH. It's so tired watching the same crap over and over. Something about the LPGA feels fresher.

For me, it's the yardages. They just seem more "Human like".

And I like Kerr as well.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:29 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 06 June 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

I like watching the LPGA.  I have a daughter that plays high level golf.  The problem is more people are interested in watching the Memorial with Tiger than they are the LPGA.  There aren't enough American woman to garner viewership of the product they are selling.  I think the LPGA business model is a poor one.  To support the LPGA they need American viewership.  They aren't going to have it when there is never an American female in contention.  Fact of the matter is there are too many foreign woman on the LPGA for Americans to have any real interest in the product they are selling.

I also think that most people in the golf world realize that these woman are good.  However, Web.com, Collegiate Male Players, high level junior boy's are still better than this product.

I'll add to this. When it's winter and most people are golf starved in the northern part of the U.S. the PGA is playing at places like Torrey Pines, Pebble, Riveria, the Florida swing, etc.

Where is the LPGA? Playing at 2 AM EST in some far east country. Playing at normal times in the U.S. when over half the country is socked in on the weekends and not playing golf, but want to watch it, would certainly help, I would think?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:37 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

I have a feeling that many people didn't know that Fox was covering the tournament. If one has a DVR set up to record the LPGA on TGC, it skipped the tournament. How many people sat down Thursday evening to watch the timeshifted coverage and found that there was no USWO on their DVR?

Refresh my memory. Did the USGA run any commercials on The Golf Channel for the USWO?

Whoever wrote the blurb about there being no stars is an a**hat. A nine time winner and former World's #1 doesn't qualify as a star? I guess Ariya needs to dye her ponytail blonde.

I was going to say the same. I didnít even realize the womenís Open was on last week until Thursday. Also there are a lot of folks that probably donít even get FS1.

Also, essentially no coverage of the event on the GC. Iím guessing because of it being at Fox. But Iím sure there will be plenty of Live From next week.

Edited by BrianMcG, 06 June 2018 - 11:38 AM.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 11:41 AM

View PostArgonne69, on 06 June 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

There are plenty of excellent, young American women to cheer for, Jessica, Nelly, Danielle, Lexi, Megan, Michelle, Alex, Lizette, Marina, Jennifer, Austin, Amy, Angel, Erynne, Emma, etc. Pick one. Pick a handful. Pick them all.
+1000000.....lol....I see what you did there.
You purposefully omitted the really 'likeable" Americans....Wie, Kerr, Stacy and Creamer. :taunt:


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