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Bryson DeChambeau Winning Again


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#91 rawdog

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:09 AM

 pinestreetgolf, on 13 June 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

 rawdog, on 13 June 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

The post saying golf "isn't rocket science" then saying it's harder is idiocracy.

The phrase "it isn't rocket science" is traditionally used to say a task isn't that difficult. It implies easiness or simplicity. So to follow that statement up with "it's a helluva lot harder" makes zero sense.

Right, its much harder than something easy or simple.  Hence, "its harder than something that isn't rocket science" means that golf is harder than something easy i.e. its not easy.

Come on man, understanding how these phrases work isn't rocket science.  Wait...

He's saying golf is harder than... golf?

Huh?


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:39 AM

 phatchrisrules, on 13 June 2018 - 06:29 AM, said:

 I, on 12 June 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

 pinestreetgolf, on 12 June 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

 I, on 12 June 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

 danmurph, on 12 June 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

No. Not a fan of Bryson at all. Do not like the way he goes about his business. This is golf not rocket science. And golf is a helluva lot harder
Really? Golf is a lot harder then being a rocket science? How could you possibly understand Brysonís way of thought. If you think golf is a lot easier then being a rocket scientist.

Statistically speaking, making a living playing golf is WAY harder than as a rocket scientist. You have to be one of the best 1200 or so in the world to earn a great living at Golf. Thereís that many rocket scientists working at NASA alone, not to mention the universities around the world.

Itís not close. Golf is way harder.
Comparing to world renown rocket scientist to world renown pro golfers and lets not forget the LPGA also, oh and the web, oh and also all the teachers. Yeah, your stats are off for sure. Can you honestly name 1200 world renown rocket scientist? I highly doubt it. Iím sure you can probably pull up 1200 PGA, LPGA, and semi pro golfers, and teachers that make a living off of golf. Anybody can say they golf or is a part of golf. But can anyone say they are a rocket scientist? Honestly, when have you heard someone tell they are a rocket scientist?

I know several rocket scientists and I am a PhD student in Anthropology.  Not even close to the same field.  I know zero pro golfers.  I don't even personally know any golfers that are better than a +1 and they wouldn't even sniff it on the Hooters tour.  You're wrong on this.  It's a lot easier to become "smart" than it is to become so physically gifted at muscle memory and timing that you can hit an inch wide ball with a 3 inch wide blade perfectly in the middle every time with a dead square club face with masterful distance control and launch parameters allowing the ball to get closer to the hole significantly more on average.

Just because you donít know any pro golfers and do happen to know a few rocket scientists (which makes sense since youíre a scientist) doesnít mean golf is harder than rocket science.

Is golf harder than brain surgery???  Thatís the real question.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:41 AM

Another DeChambeau thread down the drain.  :)

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:58 AM

 pinestreetgolf, on 12 June 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

 I, on 12 June 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

 danmurph, on 12 June 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

No. Not a fan of Bryson at all. Do not like the way he goes about his business. This is golf not rocket science. And golf is a helluva lot harder
Really? Golf is a lot harder then being a rocket science? How could you possibly understand Brysonís way of thought. If you think golf is a lot easier then being a rocket scientist.

Statistically speaking, making a living playing golf is WAY harder than as a rocket scientist. You have to be one of the best 1200 or so in the world to earn a great living at Golf. Thereís that many rocket scientists working at NASA alone, not to mention the universities around the world.

Itís not close. Golf is way harder.

In which field are there more job opportunities- rocket science or professional golf?  How does that relate to either course if study being actually harder than the other?  Harder for whom?

I posed the question of which was more difficult (golf/rocket science) as a joke, as Iím not sure itís answerable in any meaningful way.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:51 PM

Hereís another hypothetical for my fellow SL dabblers: what do you think would be most beneficial, purely from a club standpoint, for the beginner to mid handicap player: a set of properly fitted single-length irons or a fitted all-hybrid set (like the Cleveland Launcher HBís)?



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Posted 14 June 2018 - 02:53 AM

I have played single length irons for almost 35 years now.  David Edel made me a custom set of Edel blacked out forged slight cavity back irons. I also just received the same exact specs of what Bryson Dechambeau used to win the amateur and the college nationals in The Brick Proto PUTTER. So excited.  I was low on cash so I had it listed for 2000 but now I am gaming it. (I am blessed to have someone helping me with tournament fees). I don't know how to post pictures. But I think my setup is cool! And i guess that's the most important thing. Jk

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:04 AM

 nohny noke, on 13 June 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

Here's another hypothetical for my fellow SL dabblers: what do you think would be most beneficial, purely from a club standpoint, for the beginner to mid handicap player: a set of properly fitted single-length irons or a fitted all-hybrid set (like the Cleveland Launcher HB's)?

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:15 AM

 nohny noke, on 13 June 2018 - 09:51 PM, said:

Here's another hypothetical for my fellow SL dabblers: what do you think would be most beneficial, purely from a club standpoint, for the beginner to mid handicap player: a set of properly fitted single-length irons or a fitted all-hybrid set (like the Cleveland Launcher HB's)?

Too many variables to say from just this.  I'd always argue that a set of hybrids is going to benefit a lot of players far more than any iron would.  The MOI is much higher, the centre of gravity is lower, and the ball speed will be hotter.  However, for someone who maybe hits the ball high with a lot of spin, or is a sweeper, rather than hitting down on it, the extra sole width could pose a problem.  Having said that, when I worked my big box gig we were constantly sold out of the Launcher HBs because they are that good.  The G700 from what I hear is trending in that direction as well.  

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:33 AM

 grantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

We've had this debate a million times, but I'll point it out again - dispersion tightens up when you're shorter because golf misses are in degrees.

If I'm 2* open on a 180 yard 7 iron, it will miss by X.  If I'm 2* open on a 155 yard 7 iron, it will miss by less than X.  The further the ball travels more dispersion you have.  That's how physics works.

SL isn't making your dispersion tighter.  Being shorter is making your dispersion tighter.  You can't measure 7 versus 7.  You have to measure yardage versus yardage.  And the dispersions at 160 versus 160 will almost certainly be very similar.

If you honestly think you now "never" have errant shots (eye roll) and that your errant shots with VL weren't your swing and were "length and weight inconsistency" then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:42 PM

View Postgrantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

Thanks for the input.

Wouldnít an all-hybrid set with its higher MOI also serve to keep mishit balls on-line?

Itís been my experience that it does, and SL does basically the same thing for me as well due to more centered hits.

So Iím torn.  I have an all-hybrid set and an SL set. Guess Iíll need to play both for a season or so and see what shakes out.

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:50 PM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 14 June 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

We've had this debate a million times, but I'll point it out again - dispersion tightens up when you're shorter because golf misses are in degrees.

If I'm 2* open on a 180 yard 7 iron, it will miss by X.  If I'm 2* open on a 155 yard 7 iron, it will miss by less than X.  The further the ball travels more dispersion you have.  That's how physics works.

SL isn't making your dispersion tighter.  Being shorter is making your dispersion tighter.  You can't measure 7 versus 7.  You have to measure yardage versus yardage.  And the dispersions at 160 versus 160 will almost certainly be very similar.

If you honestly think you now "never" have errant shots (eye roll) and that your errant shots with VL weren't your swing and were "length and weight inconsistency" then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

Never having an errant shot is a long time.

But I could definitely see the case for a properly fit and exactly MOI matched set of irons helping to increase the chances for on-center hits.  Which-  might not exactly mean a tighter dispersion, but it would reduce gear effect and itís effects on ball flight.  Then there are the psychological impacts of feeling like youíre swinging the same club from 5-LW.

And for me personally, my SL set essentially travels the same distances as my VL set, mostly due to the low lofted SL irons/hybrid being high COR.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:40 AM

View Postnohny noke, on 14 June 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 14 June 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

We've had this debate a million times, but I'll point it out again - dispersion tightens up when you're shorter because golf misses are in degrees.

If I'm 2* open on a 180 yard 7 iron, it will miss by X.  If I'm 2* open on a 155 yard 7 iron, it will miss by less than X.  The further the ball travels more dispersion you have.  That's how physics works.

SL isn't making your dispersion tighter.  Being shorter is making your dispersion tighter.  You can't measure 7 versus 7.  You have to measure yardage versus yardage.  And the dispersions at 160 versus 160 will almost certainly be very similar.

If you honestly think you now "never" have errant shots (eye roll) and that your errant shots with VL weren't your swing and were "length and weight inconsistency" then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

Never having an errant shot is a long time.

But I could definitely see the case for a properly fit and exactly MOI matched set of irons helping to increase the chances for on-center hits.  Which-  might not exactly mean a tighter dispersion, but it would reduce gear effect and it's effects on ball flight.  Then there are the psychological impacts of feeling like you're swinging the same club from 5-LW.

And for me personally, my SL set essentially travels the same distances as my VL set, mostly due to the low lofted SL irons/hybrid being high COR.

Oh, I totally agree that there can be more accurate clubs with less dispersion for a golfer for sure.  I just think a lot of people get fooled.  They think they've gotten shorter and more accurate when all they've gotten is shorter.  Given his comment about "never" having a mis-hit, I suspect his brain might be distorting his results a bit.

I play SL in my short clubs.  For some reason, I feel very uncomfortable with a short low lofted club.  I'm not saying the idea can't work, I just swing too hard and lose path because it doesn't feel right.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:46 AM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 14 June 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

We've had this debate a million times, but I'll point it out again - dispersion tightens up when you're shorter because golf misses are in degrees.

If I'm 2* open on a 180 yard 7 iron, it will miss by X.  If I'm 2* open on a 155 yard 7 iron, it will miss by less than X.  The further the ball travels more dispersion you have.  That's how physics works.

SL isn't making your dispersion tighter.  Being shorter is making your dispersion tighter.  You can't measure 7 versus 7.  You have to measure yardage versus yardage.  And the dispersions at 160 versus 160 will almost certainly be very similar.

If you honestly think you now "never" have errant shots (eye roll) and that your errant shots with VL weren't your swing and were "length and weight inconsistency" then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

It is a combination of both but I think you are missing a variable.

For me and from everyone I've seen try it and from all the video reviews online the dispersion tightens up dramatically across the board.

Obviously if you miss a 100 yard shot it won't have the ability to travel as far off line because its not going as far as a 200 yard shot. That said, my 200 yard shots with single length don't vary anywhere near as much as my 200 yard shots with variable length. This is despite the fact that I gotta hit a 4 iron with a single length set and a 5 iron with variable length.

The length of the shaft plays a huge role in that because frankly I just don't mishit many and when I do mishit them its a lot more minor.

As soon as I transition to my driving iron, fairway wood, or driver the degree of misses goes up pretty dramatically due to the length of the shaft on the club.

If you haven't tried it you might not get where I'm coming from but its a fact.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:59 AM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 15 June 2018 - 06:40 AM, said:

View Postnohny noke, on 14 June 2018 - 11:50 PM, said:

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 14 June 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 14 June 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Honestly I'd make the arguement for single length. What tees you play from can be governed by how hard you hit it.

Unless you are a really low handicapper with a really low swing speed I would argue it doesn't KILL you to hit the ball shorter. I'm giving up 10-15 yards per club from 4-7 iron and still playing single length irons despite the distance loss due to the fact that I'd rather never have the errant shots (meaning dramatically off line) due to length and weight inconsistency.

For the vast majority of people single length irons drastically tighten up dispersion which will lower scores. The random dead right and dead left shots pretty much go away from my experience.

We've had this debate a million times, but I'll point it out again - dispersion tightens up when you're shorter because golf misses are in degrees.

If I'm 2* open on a 180 yard 7 iron, it will miss by X.  If I'm 2* open on a 155 yard 7 iron, it will miss by less than X.  The further the ball travels more dispersion you have.  That's how physics works.

SL isn't making your dispersion tighter.  Being shorter is making your dispersion tighter.  You can't measure 7 versus 7.  You have to measure yardage versus yardage.  And the dispersions at 160 versus 160 will almost certainly be very similar.

If you honestly think you now "never" have errant shots (eye roll) and that your errant shots with VL weren't your swing and were "length and weight inconsistency" then I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you.

Never having an errant shot is a long time.

But I could definitely see the case for a properly fit and exactly MOI matched set of irons helping to increase the chances for on-center hits.  Which-  might not exactly mean a tighter dispersion, but it would reduce gear effect and it's effects on ball flight.  Then there are the psychological impacts of feeling like you're swinging the same club from 5-LW.

And for me personally, my SL set essentially travels the same distances as my VL set, mostly due to the low lofted SL irons/hybrid being high COR.

Oh, I totally agree that there can be more accurate clubs with less dispersion for a golfer for sure.  I just think a lot of people get fooled.  They think they've gotten shorter and more accurate when all they've gotten is shorter.  Given his comment about "never" having a mis-hit, I suspect his brain might be distorting his results a bit.

I play SL in my short clubs.  For some reason, I feel very uncomfortable with a short low lofted club.  I'm not saying the idea can't work, I just swing too hard and lose path because it doesn't feel right.


That is where the disconnect is for us.

In my opinion single length wedges help a little because its easy to hit chip shots with any length club IMO. Also when you are practicing the same thing over and over again with all the clubs swinging less hard at a wedge becomes easy as can be.

Where my game truly changed is single length 4-6 irons because I feel like I'm cheating on tough driving holes and tight shots. I simply pull out my single length longer iron and smash it without much fear at all of hitting it WAY off line. With a hybrid in my hands off the tee or even a variable length 4 iron I have my concerns about massively errant shots.

Also I went single plane single length which made a huge difference as well.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:13 AM

View Postgrantc79, on 15 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

That is where the disconnect is for us.

In my opinion single length wedges help a little because its easy to hit chip shots with any length club IMO. Also when you are practicing the same thing over and over again with all the clubs swinging less hard at a wedge becomes easy as can be.

Where my game truly changed is single length 4-6 irons because I feel like I'm cheating on tough driving holes and tight shots. I simply pull out my single length longer iron and smash it without much fear at all of hitting it WAY off line. With a hybrid in my hands off the tee or even a variable length 4 iron I have my concerns about massively errant shots.

Also I went single plane single length which made a huge difference as well.

https://www.youtube....h?v=NnikseVFSWA

I don't need as much hip hinge and I can stand further away from the ball.  Everything 8 iron and lower is 36" 64.5* lie.  I don't find it easy as can be.  I find it pretty difficult to hit VL wedges variable distances.  I find the clock system to hit intermediate yardage to be much easier with SL clubs (the heads are all weighted up to around 340 grams as well).  I'm not much of a feel player in the wedge game.  I like it to be really mechanical as far as length backswing to yardage, and SL really helps with that.

You have an excellent wedge swing, especially your path.  Its hard to tell a bit b/c of the camera angle not being directly behind or to the side of you but impact is solid.  I'm not saying if you gave me a 35.5" sand wedge I'd just shoot 90, but I find a long club more comfortable around the greens.

Different strokes different folks.  I've tried SL and I like the concept in my short irons.  I just don't feel right hitting a SL long iron.  Had a I learned to play on them that might be different.

Edited by pinestreetgolf, 15 June 2018 - 07:14 AM.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 03:35 PM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 15 June 2018 - 07:13 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 15 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

That is where the disconnect is for us.

In my opinion single length wedges help a little because its easy to hit chip shots with any length club IMO. Also when you are practicing the same thing over and over again with all the clubs swinging less hard at a wedge becomes easy as can be.

Where my game truly changed is single length 4-6 irons because I feel like I'm cheating on tough driving holes and tight shots. I simply pull out my single length longer iron and smash it without much fear at all of hitting it WAY off line. With a hybrid in my hands off the tee or even a variable length 4 iron I have my concerns about massively errant shots.

Also I went single plane single length which made a huge difference as well.

https://www.youtube....h?v=NnikseVFSWA

I don't need as much hip hinge and I can stand further away from the ball.  Everything 8 iron and lower is 36" 64.5* lie.  I don't find it easy as can be.  I find it pretty difficult to hit VL wedges variable distances.  I find the clock system to hit intermediate yardage to be much easier with SL clubs (the heads are all weighted up to around 340 grams as well).  I'm not much of a feel player in the wedge game.  I like it to be really mechanical as far as length backswing to yardage, and SL really helps with that.

You have an excellent wedge swing, especially your path.  Its hard to tell a bit b/c of the camera angle not being directly behind or to the side of you but impact is solid.  I'm not saying if you gave me a 35.5" sand wedge I'd just shoot 90, but I find a long club more comfortable around the greens.

Different strokes different folks.  I've tried SL and I like the concept in my short irons.  I just don't feel right hitting a SL long iron.  Had a I learned to play on them that might be different.

My issue is single length single plane really solved a lot of problems for me but it created one huge problem which im choosing to live with.

When you go single plane single length everything gets very repetitive and robotic which I really like better because with two small kids I don't have time to be a "feel" player. If I was hitting balls all day and working on my game I would feel differently but I need it to feel robotic and repetitive because I know my tempo and other things will start getting wacky which with plane shifts and different length clubs can wind up having disasterous results.

However single length single plane I feel like I can rip at stuff and not worry about getting the truly awful results.

That said when I deviate and have balls that aren't tee'd up I can run into issues because it changes from the norm that I get so engrained in. The clubs that I actively use are driver off the tee which is about 265 carry down to an old bridgestone driving iron which I carry about 210. I don't have much trust in anything in between that I contact the ground with because the plane changes and I impact the ground.

Edited by grantc79, 15 June 2018 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:27 PM

View Postgrantc79, on 15 June 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 15 June 2018 - 07:13 AM, said:

View Postgrantc79, on 15 June 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

That is where the disconnect is for us.

In my opinion single length wedges help a little because its easy to hit chip shots with any length club IMO. Also when you are practicing the same thing over and over again with all the clubs swinging less hard at a wedge becomes easy as can be.

Where my game truly changed is single length 4-6 irons because I feel like I'm cheating on tough driving holes and tight shots. I simply pull out my single length longer iron and smash it without much fear at all of hitting it WAY off line. With a hybrid in my hands off the tee or even a variable length 4 iron I have my concerns about massively errant shots.

Also I went single plane single length which made a huge difference as well.

https://www.youtube....h?v=NnikseVFSWA

I don't need as much hip hinge and I can stand further away from the ball.  Everything 8 iron and lower is 36" 64.5* lie.  I don't find it easy as can be.  I find it pretty difficult to hit VL wedges variable distances.  I find the clock system to hit intermediate yardage to be much easier with SL clubs (the heads are all weighted up to around 340 grams as well).  I'm not much of a feel player in the wedge game.  I like it to be really mechanical as far as length backswing to yardage, and SL really helps with that.

You have an excellent wedge swing, especially your path.  Its hard to tell a bit b/c of the camera angle not being directly behind or to the side of you but impact is solid.  I'm not saying if you gave me a 35.5" sand wedge I'd just shoot 90, but I find a long club more comfortable around the greens.

Different strokes different folks.  I've tried SL and I like the concept in my short irons.  I just don't feel right hitting a SL long iron.  Had a I learned to play on them that might be different.

My issue is single length single plane really solved a lot of problems for me but it created one huge problem which im choosing to live with.

When you go single plane single length everything gets very repetitive and robotic which I really like better because with two small kids I don't have time to be a "feel" player. If I was hitting balls all day and working on my game I would feel differently but I need it to feel robotic and repetitive because I know my tempo and other things will start getting wacky which with plane shifts and different length clubs can wind up having disasterous results.

However single length single plane I feel like I can rip at stuff and not worry about getting the truly awful results.

That said when I deviate and have balls that aren't tee'd up I can run into issues because it changes from the norm that I get so engrained in. The clubs that I actively use are driver off the tee which is about 265 carry down to an old bridgestone driving iron which I carry about 210. I don't have much trust in anything in between that I contact the ground with because the plane changes and I impact the ground.

On another topic.... we're both from New Orleans!  Where do you play out of?  I'm a member at TPC, but play where-ever.  Lets get a round in sometime.

I have a 10 month old, so I totally get where you are coming from.  I've been thinking about giving SL another go since I have so much less time to practice.

Its an interesting concept for sure.  Going one plane is, like you said, only possible off the tee.  I play my clubs extremely upright and feel like the only thing that moves is my arms.  Now on video of course that isn't the case but its a good feel for me to strike the ball well.  Otherwise i dip my right side and spin out and all sorts of other horrible things.

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Edited by pinestreetgolf, 15 June 2018 - 05:28 PM.

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