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Bryson DeChambeau Winning Again


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#1 disco111

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:03 AM

I realize that there is an on going thread on SL irons, but I think this new posting has a different aspect on the subject. Now the question, to all who are contemplating on trying a SL set but are procrastinating.................Has Bryson's win influenced you into taking the plunge?..........


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:37 AM

No. Still don't like him.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:45 AM

Sort of -- I'm considering making my LW and SW both the same length.

Don't think I'll ever go SL through the set though.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:51 AM

Hasn't helped me unload the set of F7s I have for sale locally.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:57 AM

No.


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Posted 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 12:11 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO

They have been a bigger help than the shorter long irons, to me.

I may even go traditional 5 & 6, then have 7 on down be SL (my SL are 36.5").

The longer wedges have allowed me to take full, aggressive swings without fear of pulling way left, which was an issue for me with shorter wedges. From 6 to 9, I can tell the clubs apart, but visually, from SW-PW (spread of 110-150), the wedges are identical to me in look and feel at address. I literally feel like I'm hitting the same club.

I can even full rip the 60* (forged, more blade-like) for 90ish yard shots. And high pitches are easier (to me) with the longer shaft.

Edited by rawdog, 05 June 2018 - 12:12 PM.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 03:55 PM

View Postrawdog, on 05 June 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO

They have been a bigger help than the shorter long irons, to me.

I may even go traditional 5 & 6, then have 7 on down be SL (my SL are 36.5").

The longer wedges have allowed me to take full, aggressive swings without fear of pulling way left, which was an issue for me with shorter wedges. From 6 to 9, I can tell the clubs apart, but visually, from SW-PW (spread of 110-150), the wedges are identical to me in look and feel at address. I literally feel like I'm hitting the same club.

I can even full rip the 60* (forged, more blade-like) for 90ish yard shots. And high pitches are easier (to me) with the longer shaft.

"to me" isn't necessary, especially THREE times

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 04:49 PM

no.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 05:06 PM

No chance. Tried them once at golf town and that was enough for me

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 05:14 PM

View Posttaylormade4life, on 05 June 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

No. Still don't like him.

is there a reason for this or just some unbiased hate?

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:43 PM

People hate because he tries to swing like Mo Norman
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM

View Postrawdog, on 05 June 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO

They have been a bigger help than the shorter long irons, to me.

I may even go traditional 5 & 6, then have 7 on down be SL (my SL are 36.5").

The longer wedges have allowed me to take full, aggressive swings without fear of pulling way left, which was an issue for me with shorter wedges. From 6 to 9, I can tell the clubs apart, but visually, from SW-PW (spread of 110-150), the wedges are identical to me in look and feel at address. I literally feel like I'm hitting the same club.

I can even full rip the 60* (forged, more blade-like) for 90ish yard shots. And high pitches are easier (to me) with the longer shaft.

Why are you trying to rip sand wedges and lob wedges?  Smh

Edited by LaymanM, 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 07:07 PM

Got the F7s but went back to the RSi 1 set. Yet I think he has a great swing. It’s different but still very good. Don’t think I would be able to change my 43 year old swing with a 59 year old beat up body that I’m currently sporting.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 07:32 PM

I play my PW, 52, 56, and 60 at the same length. That is probably as close as I'll get. :)

Edited by wrmiller, 05 June 2018 - 07:32 PM.

I'm not suggesting we kill all the stupid people, I'm just suggesting we remove all the warning labels and let the situation resolve itself.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 08:38 PM

Nope....  And he still seems like a bit of a weirdo.
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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:01 PM

I'd like to give them a go but I'm not a huge fan of Cobra and the cost of the Edel make it a heck of a gamble of they don't work out.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 09:42 PM

View Postdcopp7, on 05 June 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

People hate because he tries to swing like Mo Norman

He swings nothing like Moe Norman, nor does he attempt to swing that way.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 01:38 AM

Frankly I think he has an ugly swing and putting as well. I have noticed he has a very long put which arrives till the elbow, is it "legal"? Does this help?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 02:49 AM

View PostMarco Colo, on 06 June 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

Frankly I think he has an ugly swing and putting as well. I have noticed he has a very long put which arrives till the elbow, is it "legal"? Does this help?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 04:47 AM

No because it would cost too much to redo the entire bag. Plus would I have to read the golfing machine just to find a swing suitable for a single length set?

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:09 AM

Cobra claims 60%+ of their sales are single length.  All last year when I worked at a big box store I think we sold 4 sets.  Lots of interest, absolutely!  I will give credit to Cobra there, they definitely were able to generate a lot of buzz.  However, most people don't want to hit chest-high 4, 5, and 6 irons that run out 40 yards and all carry about 6 yards longer than a 7i does.  I tried a set, and I have the same issues everyone else is having with them.  The long irons fly too low, and the short irons are well...just short.  They don't go anywhere.  I swear I've lost a full club going to these and encroaching on two clubs in my 9i and PW.  I've tried ball position too.

They are fun to bring out once and a while, but to keep as a staple in the bag?  No chance.  There is a reason the EQL failed some 25-30 years ago.  There is a reason literally no other company is doing it.  Remember the Wilson Fat Shaft?  Wilson guys were all over it proclaiming it to be the next god-tier innovation in golf.  Even Wilson admits it was a terrible design and wants to kill it with fire.  I give Cobra two more years with the SL idea before it disappears completely.

As for Bryson, he didn't exactly win the tournament in dominating fashion.  The guy is really good, but he's a headcase that got lucky.  Nobody challenged him at all on Sunday, while he blasted driver all over the planet (at 43" mind you...), and had some of the laziest attempts at birdie I've seen in a long time.  He coasted his way into the club house when it was ripe for a massive run.  If Justin Rose, J.B. Holmes, Niemann, Fowler, or Woods had caught a little fire on the front run and posted a -2 to -4 early to get them to around the -14 number early, Bryson would have puked and probably shot +2 or +3.  All he had to contend with was watching Cantlay be slow.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:23 AM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 06 June 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

Cobra claims 60%+ of their sales are single length.  All last year when I worked at a big box store I think we sold 4 sets.  Lots of interest, absolutely!  I will give credit to Cobra there, they definitely were able to generate a lot of buzz.  However, most people don't want to hit chest-high 4, 5, and 6 irons that run out 40 yards and all carry about 6 yards longer than a 7i does.  I tried a set, and I have the same issues everyone else is having with them.  The long irons fly too low, and the short irons are well...just short.  They don't go anywhere.  I swear I've lost a full club going to these and encroaching on two clubs in my 9i and PW.  I've tried ball position too.

They are fun to bring out once and a while, but to keep as a staple in the bag?  No chance.  There is a reason the EQL failed some 25-30 years ago.  There is a reason literally no other company is doing it.  Remember the Wilson Fat Shaft?  Wilson guys were all over it proclaiming it to be the next god-tier innovation in golf.  Even Wilson admits it was a terrible design and wants to kill it with fire.  I give Cobra two more years with the SL idea before it disappears completely.

As for Bryson, he didn't exactly win the tournament in dominating fashion.  The guy is really good, but he's a headcase that got lucky.  Nobody challenged him at all on Sunday, while he blasted driver all over the planet (at 43" mind you...), and had some of the laziest attempts at birdie I've seen in a long time.  He coasted his way into the club house when it was ripe for a massive run.  If Justin Rose, J.B. Holmes, Niemann, Fowler, or Woods had caught a little fire on the front run and posted a -2 to -4 early to get them to around the -14 number early, Bryson would have puked and probably shot +2 or +3.  All he had to contend with was watching Cantlay be slow.

My short irons went 5-10 yards longer and higher. Long irons (4&5) were about 5 yards shorter but a much lower trajectory then Im used too and wouldnt hold greens unless they were slow that day.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:52 AM

I think there are four key take-aways from DeChambeau:

1. While this clearly works for him, we only know how he's doing THIS way, and not what he MIGHT be doing with a different setup.  In other words, we don't know if what we are seeing is "because of", or "in spite of", or somewhere in between.

2. What ANY Tour pro does may or may not have the least bit of relevance to the rest of us.  If you watch Bubba Watson and decided that you'll hit a pink driver farther because he does, you may be disappointed.  Professional athletes are, to a great extent, genetic freaks, and the more unusual what they do happens to be, the less likely it is to replicate for us.  DeChambeau is a REALLY quirky guy, and though he is obviously very bright, his quirks are his quirks.  Your mileage may vary...

3. DeChambeau spent a lot of time and a lot of money figuring out where HIS best swing was and how to build clubs around that swing, and now he has OEM help with that.  That is a far, far cry from walking in off the street and buying a set of single-length irons off the rack.  And that's not to mention the practice time he had/has available to make this thing work, vs. a guy who is looking for a way to cut a few strokes off his index.

4. I am a HUGE believer in getting properly fitted for clubs; it's been a long, long time since I've had ANYTHING in my bag without extensive work to get it right.  But this seems almost the opposite of club fitting to me.  I get the idea behind it, for sure, but not all ideas are good ones.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

View PostLaymanM, on 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 05 June 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO

They have been a bigger help than the shorter long irons, to me.

I may even go traditional 5 & 6, then have 7 on down be SL (my SL are 36.5").

The longer wedges have allowed me to take full, aggressive swings without fear of pulling way left, which was an issue for me with shorter wedges. From 6 to 9, I can tell the clubs apart, but visually, from SW-PW (spread of 110-150), the wedges are identical to me in look and feel at address. I literally feel like I'm hitting the same club.

I can even full rip the 60* (forged, more blade-like) for 90ish yard shots. And high pitches are easier (to me) with the longer shaft.

Why are you trying to rip sand wedges and lob wedges?  Smh

Because they are all the same length. It is the exactly same head and shaft, why would I swing it differently?

If you don't buy in, that's cool. You can shake your head. The only thing that changes on the club is the loft.

My SW is 54*, my GW is 49*. Is there a reason to take a full swing with one and not the other? Or is it just because traditionally that's not what people do?

Edited by rawdog, 06 June 2018 - 08:24 AM.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:13 AM

View Postrawdog, on 06 June 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 05 June 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 05 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Nope
but longer short irons are a good idea IMO

They have been a bigger help than the shorter long irons, to me.

I may even go traditional 5 & 6, then have 7 on down be SL (my SL are 36.5").

The longer wedges have allowed me to take full, aggressive swings without fear of pulling way left, which was an issue for me with shorter wedges. From 6 to 9, I can tell the clubs apart, but visually, from SW-PW (spread of 110-150), the wedges are identical to me in look and feel at address. I literally feel like I'm hitting the same club.

I can even full rip the 60* (forged, more blade-like) for 90ish yard shots. And high pitches are easier (to me) with the longer shaft.

Why are you trying to rip sand wedges and lob wedges?  Smh

Because they are all the same length. It is the exactly same head and shaft, why would I swing it differently?

If you don't buy in, that's cool. You can shake your head. The only thing that changes on the club is the loft.

My SW is 54*, my GW is 49*. Is there a reason to take a full swing with one and not the other? Or is it just because traditionally that's not what people do?

Single length is fine.  I just think you'd have more success hitting a 3/4 pw or gw then trying to ram in a full lob wedge. I can see that need depending on pin placement.   I just would not call a full 60 degree wedge a high percentage shot for anyone but the absolute best ball strikers.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:30 AM

Works great for me. You need high swing speed to pull it off though.

My handicap has gone from teens to 5.6

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

Side note people talk about being able to swing harder at a wedge, I get the idea and sometimes thats nice depending on the type of shot you wanna hit.

That said even though they all are the same length I swing my wedges slower than my long irons even though they are same length same flex same everything.

Psychologically I just cant swing them as fast lol.

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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:40 AM

View Postgrantc79, on 06 June 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

Side note people talk about being able to swing harder at a wedge, I get the idea and sometimes thats nice depending on the type of shot you wanna hit.

That said even though they all are the same length I swing my wedges slower than my long irons even though they are same length same flex same everything.

Psychologically I just cant swing them as fast lol.

This has been my experience as well, and Trackman backs it up. It's about 5 mph of swing speed difference, but my 5* gaps have kept everything fine.

I am not an amazing ball striker but have not noticed it being difficult to hit my spots with a full 60* from 85-95 yards out. The misses aren't any more severe than missing with a GW (pull left, the occasional fatty). Out of the deepest of rough I do club up and then hit a "less-than" shot so I can control the head more. That's about it.

My contact on PW-LW shots has probably been the most repeatable part of my game.

I understand why people advocate for less-than full swings at times, but my experience has not required me to do that.
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Posted 06 June 2018 - 10:56 AM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 06 June 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

Cobra claims 60%+ of their sales are single length.  All last year when I worked at a big box store I think we sold 4 sets.  Lots of interest, absolutely!  I will give credit to Cobra there, they definitely were able to generate a lot of buzz.  However, most people don't want to hit chest-high 4, 5, and 6 irons that run out 40 yards and all carry about 6 yards longer than a 7i does.  I tried a set, and I have the same issues everyone else is having with them.  The long irons fly too low, and the short irons are well...just short.  They don't go anywhere.  I swear I've lost a full club going to these and encroaching on two clubs in my 9i and PW.  I've tried ball position too.

They are fun to bring out once and a while, but to keep as a staple in the bag?  No chance.  There is a reason the EQL failed some 25-30 years ago.  There is a reason literally no other company is doing it.  Remember the Wilson Fat Shaft?  Wilson guys were all over it proclaiming it to be the next god-tier innovation in golf.  Even Wilson admits it was a terrible design and wants to kill it with fire.  I give Cobra two more years with the SL idea before it disappears completely.

As for Bryson, he didn't exactly win the tournament in dominating fashion.  The guy is really good, but he's a headcase that got lucky.  Nobody challenged him at all on Sunday, while he blasted driver all over the planet (at 43" mind you...), and had some of the laziest attempts at birdie I've seen in a long time.  He coasted his way into the club house when it was ripe for a massive run.  If Justin Rose, J.B. Holmes, Niemann, Fowler, or Woods had caught a little fire on the front run and posted a -2 to -4 early to get them to around the -14 number early, Bryson would have puked and probably shot +2 or +3.  All he had to contend with was watching Cantlay be slow.

I hope not, or else I need to start hoarding.

It's a great concept for parts of the bag, IMO. Also, I don't think it's a good "off the rack" solution. You know everyone has their break point where the loft just isn't going to be enough to get airborne. I swing my SL irons (down to the 9i at least) roughly 87 mph. beyond 24*, there was no benefit. And I play my irons 3/4" shorter than stock.

I had 3 Trackman sessions to select shaft and then to figure out the lowest loft I could effectively elevate. Then we tested loft gapping backwards from there. Hence my different specs.

I have struggled to shape shots with the 6 iron, though height and distance is there. So I have employed an RBZ 6 iron for craps and giggles so I can work the ball better. Something in the geometry just wasn't right with the F7.

As I noted, my results from 150 and in has been significant improvement compared to prior years, though this is anecdotal (as much as I preach data, I haven't collected much).

I will say, that I did have the feeling the short irons were "short" after a couple rounds. Somewhere along the way, though, I started swinging the short irons with more speed, and have been able to get very nice gapping, on par with my traditional set.

This was my long-winded way of saying I don't think SL is a good off-the-rack solution, the loft gaps will be an issue (duh), and that I am the rare bird that sees more benefit from SL short irons and wedges than SL long irons.

I could see myself with traditional 5 & 6, then SL 7-LW.

Cobra LTD Driver
Aldila Rogue Black, 9.5* @44.5"
In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods

Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue @41.5" 5W = 19*
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue @41.5" 7W = 23*
Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24*   7I = 29*   8I = 34*   9I = 39*   PW = 44*   GW = 49*   SW = 54*   LW = 59*
Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled @33.5"
Maxfli SoftFli

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