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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:21 AM

View PostFerguson, on 08 June 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

I just saw this on the news................... these people are leaving the game.   Some look happy and others relieved.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 02:38 AM

View PostBad9, on 08 June 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postaliikane, on 08 June 2018 - 11:48 AM, said:

View PostSwisstrader98, on 08 June 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

New generation of youth view golf and golfers as stodgy and rigid.

Proper dress codes, no music allowed on most courses, having to wear polo collared shirts, a rule book that even the pros can't quite decipher and on and on.

Lucky Strike bowling for those of you who know it got it right with respect to most of the younger generation thinking bowling is boring as heck. And how is it they are packed to the gills just about every night if the week?? They make bowling more about a fun event with turning it more into a party scene w great music, a fun and happy vibe and yes, there's also some bowling involved. Similar to Top Golf which took the very basic and somewhat boring world of driving ranges and added a pure unadulterated FUN factor.

If we don't change or at least greatly simplify the rules and make golf exciting or cool, we will continue to see less interest.



I think there are two types of players. Competitive players and go have fun players. To me, taking the game seriously and being competitive is fun and exciting. It doesn't have to be a party to be fun. I agree some of the rules need to be simplified. However personally, I prefer golf to be played how it was traditionally meant to be played. That is just me though. Different "strokes" for different folks. No pun intended. Haha.

I generally agree with you about how and why I play. Trying to shoot the best score I can under the rules is the enjoyment for me. The problem with tradition(as per my bolded part) is determining what tradition do you subscribe to? Traditions change and evolve. Anchored putting was ok for 20+ years, to me thats long enough to be traditional. The game as played by Nicklaus and Palmer was different than that played by Jones and Quiemet so where do you define tradition.
Pretty well said. I have tried to explain that on here for years. Basically I am of the old school camp as in blades and persimmon generation. But to put it in a nutshell golf like life has evolved. Golf is what you want to get out of it. I played comp professionally and big money matches for years. I basically retired from doing all of that 10 years ago. I hardly practice. I almost went back a couple of years ago and got my AM status back to play some CGA amateur events. I scrapped those plans when I found out I could get called out on some of the equipment I wanted to play. Screw all of that for some trophy and gift certificates.

Now days i practice if I want to. I play with a couple of small groups maybe sometimes for very low money games. I have so much vintage equipment i switch around a lot. That is my fun now taking sometimes 60 year old clubs and seeing what I can shoot with them. Do not really care if I shot in the 70s 80s and 90s just like the old stuff. Played 27 last night on the twilight thing at my home course bagging a set of 82 Mac VIP irons and somewhat modern metals. Our Twilight thing starts at 4:00 until dark. It was hot and humid and the course was deserted so I sorta flew around. Had plenty of ice and water. For me It does not get any better than that.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:50 AM

^^^^

Good stuff right there.

Golf is an "in the moment" sport.  Invest whatever you care to in it or not from equipment to time to lessons to whatever winds your personal watch.  But it ultimately comes down to moments where we execute briefly (in a moment) after putting some or a lot of preparation into that moment.

Yes there's a scorecard.  Yes, we compete.   But at the end of the day it's is compilation of how we managed ourselves and the course over 70 or 80 or 100+ in-the-moment opportunities out there.  We can swing whatever we want in terms of sticks, have fun with weekend buds, or play for scholarships and trophies. But we either thrive on those in-the-moment opportunities as we address the ball and send it on it's way, or we don't.  What's at stake is not attainable until or unless we revel in-the-moment.

That little final hole putting meltdown suffered by Jason Duffner at Sawgrass a few weeks ago... that one reportedly cost him about 3/4 of million.

Now how many of us are honestly ever going to have more than a small trophy, side bet, or friendly ribbing and Sunday bragging rights on the line?  We're investing whatever time, money, energy, and personal commitment we individually care to give to golf.  We experience these in-the-moment things one shot at a time and compare notes with other golfers on a thing called the scorecard.

To me and FWIW, in the car heading home all I really want to know is did I selfishly enjoy that compilation of moments?  And, did I enjoy the camaraderie, scenery and such that went with it?  Win or lose, was it worth it or not?

No matter how each individual answers those questions privately, he/she is absolutely correct.  This isn't a game for everybody.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 10:54 AM

Love that 'Outlaw golf Association'. Sick and tired of the USGA and their crap. How do I join up? ;)
I'm not suggesting we kill all the stupid people, I'm just suggesting we remove all the warning labels and let the situation resolve itself.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:36 AM

View Postmarmooskapaul, on 09 June 2018 - 11:49 AM, said:

In the famous words of Keith Richards..." I will walk away before they make me run"
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:46 AM

The last two weekends-playing the munis. All three rounds, golfed with 25-30 year olds. Happy as clams to ride around the 18 holes, couple of beers, couple of numbers, (one guy even offered me a toke-first time thats happened in 30 years) maybe shooting 100, just enjoying the opportunity.

All I know are the public and muni courses I play. There are more young folks playing than ever. Plus the geezers of course but we are gonna die.

My country club buddies are all complaining, memberships are down for two reasons...poor economy and death. Can't fight that.

Those 25 year olds can't afford a $50M share purchase and $10M a year. But they can afford $50 a round when they choose to spend it.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 11:53 AM

View PostHehateme, on 07 June 2018 - 02:20 PM, said:

people leave the game because they suck at golf and spending 4 to 5 hours doing something you suck at isnt a good time

That doesn't seem to stop anyone I get stuck playing behind it seems. Haha
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:43 PM

View Postuitar9, on 10 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

Those 25 year olds can't afford a $50M share purchase and $10M a year. But they can afford $50 a round when they choose to spend it.

The courses around me - like the one in my avatar photo which you can visit their website and double check (or Orange Tree CC, or Four Seasons Disney) - all offer young professional memberships which are GREAT deals, but you still need to be pretty successful to sustain them.

Many 'successful' young people can buy a 20k boat no problem since it's a one-time fee with varying maintenance, but a CC membership has a high yearly cost and you better be a member for a decade if you want that down payment to even out.

Lots of 25-35 age range at the private clubs around me due to these packages they offer.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:04 PM

View Postthird-times-a-charm, on 10 June 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

View Postuitar9, on 10 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

Those 25 year olds can't afford a $50M share purchase and $10M a year. But they can afford $50 a round when they choose to spend it.

The courses around me - like the one in my avatar photo which you can visit their website and double check (or Orange Tree CC, or Four Seasons Disney) - all offer young professional memberships which are GREAT deals, but you still need to be pretty successful to sustain them.

Many 'successful' young people can buy a 20k boat no problem since it's a one-time fee with varying maintenance, but a CC membership has a high yearly cost and you better be a member for a decade if you want that down payment to even out.

Lots of 25-35 age range at the private clubs around me due to these packages they offer.

Don't disagree.

There are so many options out there for that dollar. Why are we surprised it isn't golf.
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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:40 PM

View Postwrmiller, on 10 June 2018 - 10:54 AM, said:

Love that 'Outlaw golf Association'. Sick and tired of the USGA and their crap. How do I join up? ;)
All it is is a loosely thing that I started over in the Confessions Section of the 19th hole--- No dues or anything--- No real rules just these few

1- Play whatever clubs you want to regardless of if they are on some USGA conforming list or not
2- Have a stated hatred for the USGA (which BTW you have already stated)
3 - Slam the USGA every time you get a chance on here and other forums and extra points for doing that in public

Easy to join just pick your own member number and post on your signature

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 03:47 PM

View PostSwisstrader98, on 08 June 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

New generation of youth view golf and golfers as stodgy and rigid.

Proper dress codes, no music allowed on most courses, having to wear polo collared shirts, a rule book that even the pros canít quite decipher and on and on.

Lucky Strike bowling for those of you who know it got it right with respect to most of the younger generation thinking bowling is boring as heck. And how is it they are packed to the gills just about every night if the week?? They make bowling more about a fun event with turning it more into a party scene w great music, a fun and happy vibe and yes, thereís also some bowling involved. Similar to Top Golf which took the very basic and somewhat boring world of driving ranges and added a pure unadulterated FUN factor.

If we donít change or at least greatly simplify the rules and make golf exciting or cool, we will continue to see less interest.
There is 'glow golf' if you didn't realize.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 05:31 PM

View PostSwisstrader98, on 08 June 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

New generation of youth view golf and golfers as stodgy and rigid.

Proper dress codes, no music allowed on most courses, having to wear polo collared shirts, a rule book that even the pros can't quite decipher and on and on.

Lucky Strike bowling for those of you who know it got it right with respect to most of the younger generation thinking bowling is boring as heck. And how is it they are packed to the gills just about every night if the week?? They make bowling more about a fun event with turning it more into a party scene w great music, a fun and happy vibe and yes, there's also some bowling involved. Similar to Top Golf which took the very basic and somewhat boring world of driving ranges and added a pure unadulterated FUN factor.

If we don't change or at least greatly simplify the rules and make golf exciting or cool, we will continue to see less interest.

You're right. Full unadulterated FUN !!! :yahoo:

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 05:54 PM

View PostCwing, on 26 May 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

Easiest question to answer in the history of sport. GOLF IS HARD!!!

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There are days when I would agree with you, but for the most part it used to be a difficult game because of the equipment available.  Today any idiot can find the fairway 300+ yards out.  I can't imagine folks aren't playing because it's too hard anymore.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 06:40 PM

View PostBourni1, on 28 May 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

Finding time is tough.  I have played since I was around 12 years old or so, its a family sport and was blessed to have spent hours on the course with my grandfather, father, brother, uncles and cousins. Most of us have continued playing but I have had my spurts of 1 or 2 years where I play only 2 or 3 times a year as a result of family and work obligations.  They key is to try and make the time if you really love the game.  Be it going to the range or putting green, the quick 9 holes at dawn, or the 18 hole 5 hour round on Saturday one must sacrifice something (sleep is usually the easiest one to sacrifice).

I dont think cost is the big issue with golf. Equipment is easily available, and there are different course options that are affordable compared with other hobbies.  I have small children and a very understanding wife, who knows that my job is very demanding and that I spend all week looking forward to my weekend round, but every once in while there will inevitably be stretches where golf is not possible. I really look forward to getting my kids into the game and am sure that will permit me to keep playing for years to come.

^^^ THIS! ^^^

I've come to the "rationalization" that if I want to play, 9 holes, back nine, early or super early in the morning on the weekends is really my only option (2 kids under 4 yrs of age, wife, older parents to keep an eye on, 2 family business to run and everythng else in life). And that's basically once a week. Would like it to be Sat. & Sun., but it's really difficult. It's very difficult to do 18 holes here in NY. So, I've compromised... just lose out some sleep.
Cost is a factor too, but really... TIME is the major issue.

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 08:52 PM

View PostNachosgrande, on 10 June 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostCwing, on 26 May 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

Easiest question to answer in the history of sport. GOLF IS HARD!!!

Evidence

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There are days when I would agree with you, but for the most part it used to be a difficult game because of the equipment available.  Today any idiot can find the fairway 300+ yards out.  I can't imagine folks aren't playing because it's too hard anymore.

So....90% or so of the people who play this game are idiots? There are many 300 yarders on here,but the majority of the  golfing public are
not hitting their tee shot that distance ! But the equipment is a big factor helping people stay in the game. Time and the learning curve are a
big obstacle for a lot of folks.

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Posted 11 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

View PostNard_S, on 31 May 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Folks are better test takers than before (and it's peaked). Are they really more intelligent? Are people really deeper thinkers and more literate than folks back in the day?

Btw, how do you measure the intelligence of a Duke Ellington or even a James Brown? Or a Picasso? All genius, no doubt. Where are today's genius in art and science?

Who's the new Tesla or Einstein? Or Charlie Parker?
The new Tesla or Einstein?

I’d say Cuban and Musk are up there in terms of modern day innovation in their respective sectors.

The minds working on space travel, at the hadron collider, in advanced medicine, etc. I think it’s safe to say that we have plenty of inventors, innovators, and deep thinkers. How many of the amazing artists of history were thought nothing of in their own time? Perhaps you’re simply overlooking those who may be the revered minds of our time when it’s looked back on in a few decades.
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