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#1 gbartko

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:14 PM

Hi All,

I’m not familiar with any JDM whatsoever. Can anybody point me in the direction of any manufacturers that make < 400 cc drivers? I currently play a TaylorMade R510 TP and would like to move to something more forgiving and recent.

Thanks in advance!

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:31 PM

SYard. T.388.
388cc obviously.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:52 PM

Definitely the S-yard T.388!

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:03 PM

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:41 PM

Buyee.jp has quite a few S yards for sale

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:04 PM

You need to realize that “more forgiving “ and “under 400cc’s”  are impossible concepts to put together.

Given the laws of physics, the larger the driver, the more forgiving it can be made. Larger footprint =Higher MOI=more stable on mishits=more “forgiving”.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:32 PM

 Jagpilotohio, on 18 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

You need to realize that “more forgiving “ and “under 400cc’s”  are impossible concepts to put together.

Given the laws of physics, the larger the driver, the more forgiving it can be made. Larger footprint =Higher MOI=more stable on mishits=more “forgiving”.

I also got a kick out of that.

Want something more forgiving? Easy, go over 400cc's. Plenty (literally dozens) of options out there that are more forgiving.

Could go for a happy medium and (dare I say) get something generic like a Titleist D3, M1 430/440, etc.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 03:00 AM

 Jagpilotohio, on 18 May 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

You need to realize that “more forgiving “ and “under 400cc’s”  are impossible concepts to put together.

Given the laws of physics, the larger the driver, the more forgiving it can be made. Larger footprint =Higher MOI=more stable on mishits=more “forgiving”.

Forgiveness is a relative term and I thought I clearly implied “more forgiving than a 510 TP”. Thanks for the physics lesson though guys, very helpful!
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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:41 AM

Mizuno Craft 611 is 410cc and very lovely. Could be ordered 1-1/2 degrees upright or flatter from the standard 58 deg lie angle too.

Don't be tempted by the Yonex eZone 380... 380cc's and one of the all time best looking metal wood heads, but feel and performance was not up to its beauty - whereas the SYard mentioned did get very good reviews for its results.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:27 AM

 Kingcat990, on 18 May 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

Buyee.jp has quite a few S yards for sale

Thanks! I picked one up for a lot cheaper than eBay.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 10:22 AM

A properly designed variable face design can actually make more forgiveness difference than just a 60cc difference in physical size.  If the face is designed well, an off center strike will still maintain high ballspeed even with the smaller physical size.  Some people prefer the larger size as it gives more overall confidence at address but some (like me) feel the smaller, more compact heads are easier to turn over and control.  It also depends on if you misses are more heel/toe vs. high/low on the face.  

The S-Yard t.388 is a shallow face so if you miss high/low then you may want something with a deeper face.  In this case it will not be more forgiving than something like the R510TP.  If you miss heel/toe however, it does a fantastic job on off center hits.  At address the t.388 is one of the best pear shaped heads since some of the older Titleist drivers.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:03 AM

Roddio has also some new small drivers. But they are pricey too
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 09:30 AM

 Shacco, on 24 May 2018 - 07:03 AM, said:

Roddio has also some new small drivers. But they are pricey too

I can't get behind their appearance. They look like a damn carnival from the head to the shaft. But like you have said before; we can't try these before buying, and this is indeed an expensive hobby.
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 01:55 PM

S-Yard T.388 was not punishing in my opinion. When hit in center it felt fantastic, when I miss it's just as bad as any other driver I've hit.

S-Yard XV is really great if you're willing to go over 400cc. It's got a deep face and from address it looks barely bigger than T.388. I'll post a pic when I get home.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:28 PM

the new roddios  are VERY small and compact , look more like a larger 2 wood than a driver. the  type s  is very pear shaped. this wud pack a mean punch, but I doubt it wud be very forgiving.  liked the look a lot, wrong shaft for me to play it ,  but I still might take them  or a range session to see what  they are  like. .
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:46 PM

Not sure if more or less forgiving but wins in the looks dept

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 02:25 PM

Dan, thats BEAUTIFUL... a 350cc?? Will have to search in 4 yearswhen $200 . Loved my Yonex Ezone 420 !
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Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:33 PM

 RogerinNewZealand, on 26 May 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

Dan, thats BEAUTIFUL... a 350cc?? Will have to search in 4 yearswhen $200 . Loved my Yonex Ezone 420 !

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:22 PM

Mizuno Mp Type I is (at address) a dead knock off of R510TP but 10% bigger. I'm a huge fan of the TP and used it for last 2 years the MP was chosen because of the likeness in looks, feel and sound. It is also longer and more forgiving. I went with shaft upgrade and glad I did.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 08:43 PM

Here's T.388 on the left and XV on the right. Head size is almost the same but XV is deeper.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

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Posted 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:08 PM

 EaglesGolf99, on 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

Yes, picked it up in a trade on this board.

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 05:46 PM

 bruinduke, on 28 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

Yes, picked it up in a trade on this board.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 08:58 AM

 EaglesGolf99, on 28 May 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 bruinduke, on 28 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

Yes, picked it up in a trade on this board.

FOUND HER!

Lol! .... That was mine sometime ago, I've watched it meander through the board the last couple months ... Glad it landed with someone who will appreciate it! Best of luck!!!

Thanks, I think through no fault of her own she'll be on the move again. I am doing too well with my Ryoma to tempt fate and try another  driver.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 08:59 AM

 bruinduke, on 31 May 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 28 May 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 bruinduke, on 28 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

Yes, picked it up in a trade on this board.

FOUND HER!

Lol! .... That was mine sometime ago, I've watched it meander through the board the last couple months ... Glad it landed with someone who will appreciate it! Best of luck!!!

Thanks, I think through no fault of her own she'll be on the move again. I am doing too well with my Ryoma to tempt fate and try another  driver.

LMAO!

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 04:37 PM

Tourstage X Drive 905 is a smaller head and I’ve noticed no difference in “forgiveness” from other drivers.
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#28 gbartko

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM

Got the s-yard in from Japan yesterday and so far I’m impressed. Thanks for the suggestion!
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#29 dan360

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:21 AM

 bruinduke, on 31 May 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 28 May 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

 bruinduke, on 28 May 2018 - 05:08 PM, said:

 EaglesGolf99, on 27 May 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 bruinduke, on 27 May 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

I have both the t388 and the a grind 350. Both beautiful drivers.  Gotta get the 350 shafted up with the right shaft before deciding which one is better.

Does that A-Grind 350 of yours presently have a Kai'li 80 X in it?

Yes, picked it up in a trade on this board.

FOUND HER!

Lol! .... That was mine sometime ago, I've watched it meander through the board the last couple months ... Glad it landed with someone who will appreciate it! Best of luck!!!

Thanks, I think through no fault of her own she'll be on the move again. I am doing too well with my Ryoma to tempt fate and try another  driver.

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#30 dan360

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Posted 10 June 2018 - 01:24 AM

 gbartko, on 05 June 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

Got the s-yard in from Japan yesterday and so far I'm impressed. Thanks for the suggestion!

Stylin' and Profilin'     I'm looking to go back to sub 400cc and stay there!

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