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#1 Justsomeguy

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:15 PM

I can consistently hit a straight ball or a draw w my irons. Some offset, but not crazy.
Can't seem to get the feel for a fade. Any simple approach?

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:20 PM

Fader here. Never been able to really hit a draw.
Open stance slightly aiming to the left.
Swing along body line

Fade every time for me.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:49 PM

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I can consistently hit a straight ball or a draw w my irons. Some offset, but not crazy.
Can't seem to get the feel for a fade. Any simple approach?

Said no 15 handicap ever.

In any case, won't be able to tell specifically until you post a video. Whatever you're currently doing, you're in a position where your face is not open relative to your path. So change your path leftward. Or hold open that face. Or a little of both.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:18 PM

View Postspiffdogxl, on 18 May 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I can consistently hit a straight ball or a draw w my irons. Some offset, but not crazy.
Can't seem to get the feel for a fade. Any simple approach?

Said no 15 handicap ever.

In any case, won't be able to tell specifically until you post a video. Whatever you're currently doing, you're in a position where your face is not open relative to your path. So change your path leftward. Or hold open that face. Or a little of both.
Lol. Seriously. Not bitching. But If I could turn my driver pulls into a straight ball, I'd be single digits.
But I hit everything right to left, and feel that if I could figure out left to right w irons, I could find the feel for it.
I can fade my driver a little, but it's not consistent, and doesn't translate to my irons.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:36 PM

The "simplest" way is to keep your lead wrist cupped through contact.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:38 PM

Simple approach - do everything opposite of the things you do to hit a draw.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:40 PM

View Postnitram, on 18 May 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

The "simplest" way is to keep your lead wrist cupped through contact.
Having trouble visualizing. Can you explain?
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:15 PM

Play a slightly weaker grip than normal and put the ball more forward in your stance.  Swing the same.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:09 PM

Same grip and same swing.  Throw in 2-3 fade bias setup changes.

Closer and ball forward.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 12:13 AM

Try two things that make it easier to get your path moving more "across" through impact.  Stand closer to it with the ball addressed more towards the heel of the club


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 02:33 AM

The easiest way is in setup. Aim slightly left (I mean slightly, not more than maybe 5 yards) and open the face in your hands a bit. Doesn't require much, just a bit, but this really is the easiest way without having to manipulate your swing. You can swing the same and have the ball fade maybe 3-5 yards.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 06:51 AM

I hit fades 2 ways

1.  aim straight left, open the face 1/2 to the flag and swing along the aim line.  = fade
2.  totally adjust the path of the club into the back of the ball.  Hit the outside rear corner of the ball.  You need to have the face square to the target line and open to the path = fade

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:43 AM

Sett up with a slightly open face.  Swing as normal. It'll fade.  Close the face for a draw.  Thats how Jack Nicklaus thought about it.  

Tiger woodsí technique is to keep the face pointed at the target and just move his set up around that and swing normally.    Basically the same concept.

Two of the greatest golfers of all time took a simplified approach to shaping shots, maybe you should too.  

If it doesnt work, add in some feels to enure you get the shape you want: make sure you feel in to out swing and wrists roll through for a draw.  Feel it hold off for a fade.

Another little trick to take or leave: set up with less forward shaft lean.  Almost lean the shaft virtical or backwards.   That one comes from lee travino.  (Push the handle firward as setup for more draw).  


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 10:29 AM

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View Postspiffdogxl, on 18 May 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I can consistently hit a straight ball or a draw w my irons. Some offset, but not crazy.
Can't seem to get the feel for a fade. Any simple approach?

Said no 15 handicap ever.

In any case, won't be able to tell specifically until you post a video. Whatever you're currently doing, you're in a position where your face is not open relative to your path. So change your path leftward. Or hold open that face. Or a little of both.
Lol. Seriously. Not bitching. But If I could turn my driver pulls into a straight ball, I'd be single digits.
But I hit everything right to left, and feel that if I could figure out left to right w irons, I could find the feel for it.
I can fade my driver a little, but it's not consistent, and doesn't translate to my irons.

Same for me. I'm between 12-15 and I draw everything. Not every 15 hdcp slices. My bad shots are also pull hooks.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 10:33 AM

Point the face where you want the ball to end up.

Align your body where you want your ball to start.

Swing along your body line.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 04:06 PM

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

View Postnitram, on 18 May 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

The "simplest" way is to keep your lead wrist cupped through contact.
Having trouble visualizing. Can you explain?
At the end of your backswing you should have a cupped lead wrist. Just hold that position thru impact. This is the simplest way way to hit a cut. Now what everyone else has mentioned about setup changes that put you outside the ball are the way to do it, it's just not as simple.
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Posted 19 May 2018 - 04:59 PM

View Postgaryt, on 19 May 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

View Postspiffdogxl, on 18 May 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

View PostJustsomeguy, on 18 May 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

I can consistently hit a straight ball or a draw w my irons. Some offset, but not crazy.
Can't seem to get the feel for a fade. Any simple approach?

Said no 15 handicap ever.

In any case, won't be able to tell specifically until you post a video. Whatever you're currently doing, you're in a position where your face is not open relative to your path. So change your path leftward. Or hold open that face. Or a little of both.
Lol. Seriously. Not bitching. But If I could turn my driver pulls into a straight ball, I'd be single digits.
But I hit everything right to left, and feel that if I could figure out left to right w irons, I could find the feel for it.
I can fade my driver a little, but it's not consistent, and doesn't translate to my irons.

Same for me. I'm between 12-15 and I draw everything. Not every 15 hdcp slices. My bad shots are also pull hooks.
Exactly! A sliced driver doesn't happen unless something really unusual is at play. Fatigue plus odd setup.
What I like about the draw is at least the ball gets there, so not taking enough club doesn't happen often.
But I want to be able to fade the ball when necessary to get more stooping power on the green.

Edited by Justsomeguy, 19 May 2018 - 05:00 PM.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 08:40 PM

Well you have the most difficult part out of the way. Most golfers have more difficulty in drawing the ball.
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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:18 PM

Haven’t heard anybody mention the trail shoulder. Ray to feel the right shoulder work around a little higher for the ol’ fade

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:30 PM

Great simplicty and Phil hits every shot as he called it.

https://www.youtube....h?v=SKcD7IjbhE8

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 02:20 AM

Guys and girls.

That Mickelson video above really did click for me.

A simple post history search would show Iíve battled a hook for years. Struggle with a pretty vicious inside out move.

Phil said it in simple and easy terms and I went out today and literally hit butter cuts all afternoon. I usually hit about 30 balls and go to the short game/wedge area but ended up going through two large buckets just dumbfounded hahaha.

Iím sure guys who donít struggle with the same things will think the video is a waste of time but that one was worth a click for me. I might have really gotten started on something here...

Thanks for that video!

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 01:10 PM

If you were to throw a ball with fade spin how would you do it? You would throw a ball with fade spin.

Picture the ball fading, see where it starts, see the curve to apex and see where it lands. Swing.
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:35 PM

The see it, envision it and believe it stuff might work for good athletes or top notch ball and stick coordination guys.

Me picturing how to throw a ball with fade spin does absolutely nothing as far as executing the fundamental moves during a swing.

I can picture any shot that doesnt mean I'm going to execute the shot especially in a repeating motion. Man would golf be an easy game if I could just see it in my head and pull it off!

I need more hands on, visual training to make it work.I want to see the how/what/why with a shot and try to apply it myself. That video posted above has really helped me although its only two days in.

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 09:25 PM

View Postbigmoneyp, on 20 May 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

Great simplicty and Phil hits every shot as he called it.

https://www.youtube....h?v=SKcD7IjbhE8
That's pretty amazing.
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 11:54 PM

View PostPutterKilledTheDream, on 19 May 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

Haven’t heard anybody mention the trail shoulder. Ray to feel the right shoulder work around a little higher for the ol’ fade

Funny how feels are individual! I use that right shoulder high thought to hit slinging hooks out of trouble spots


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:41 AM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 18 May 2018 - 11:09 PM, said:

Same grip and same swing.  Throw in 2-3 fade bias setup changes.

Closer and ball forward.

So closer promotes a more outside in swing?
Forward would make the clubface more closed to the target line at that point in the club path?-- and since you're closer the bottom of the swing arc is forward so you won't thin or top the forward positioned ball?

And a third bias?

Thanks for weighing in Monte!


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 06:12 AM

Lifetime drawer here.  I can hit baby fades - my only thought when I do it is trying to hold off my release a tad longer.  That's it.  Can't hit the big slices with it (which I'm sure would require changes to my setup and/or planes) but I do use this off the tee as well as some approaches.

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:03 AM

View PostMcgeeno, on 22 May 2018 - 08:35 PM, said:

The see it, envision it and believe it stuff might work for good athletes or top notch ball and stick coordination guys.

Me picturing how to throw a ball with fade spin does absolutely nothing as far as executing the fundamental moves during a swing.

I can picture any shot that doesnt mean I'm going to execute the shot especially in a repeating motion. Man would golf be an easy game if I could just see it in my head and pull it off!

I need more hands on, visual training to make it work.I want to see the how/what/why with a shot and try to apply it myself. That video posted above has really helped me although its only two days in.

Fair enough. If you tried to fade a putt how would you do it?
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:03 AM

Well done!  When I try this I don't have that supreme feel and almost always hold off too soon with very bad results

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:14 AM

View PostJustsomeguy, on 22 May 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

View Postbigmoneyp, on 20 May 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

Great simplicty and Phil hits every shot as he called it.

https://www.youtube....h?v=SKcD7IjbhE8
That's pretty amazing.

My favoritve part of this is how little the ball actually moves on his fades and draws, but just falls in that direction slightly.  I cover 75% of the fairway width minimum on my intentional curve balls.


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