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#1 SeaIsland

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:02 PM

Looking at a combo set of 4-6 Hi Fly and 7-P (?). The conventional move is to blend the MMCs, but I'm not seeing much of a performance difference? Is it just me --a funky swing day? Are any of you seeing big gains in distance/forgiveness between these two? Any other thoughts welcomed!


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:50 PM

I didn’t have have any performance or forgiveness gains in the MB, SC and MMC, they’re still fairly hard to hit irons.

Gave the MB ahead on feel.

Waiting on the Fli-Hi to try out still.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:55 PM

What about:

MB = PW, 9 > looks great, feel and precision/short game

SC = 8, 7 > little help but scoring irons range

MMC = 6, 5 > take the help

Fli-Hi = 4 > all the help; why not?
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:37 PM

I did not see much performance gains in the MMC, so went SC.  That said, if you like the MMC, it will make your loft gapping simpler.  You won't need to modify lofts for you 7 and/or 6 irons, which will leave the bounce and offset the same.  I really wanted a single material simple CB so i went with the SC.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:53 PM

Plenty of players have gone Fli-Hi and then SC. The performance differences can vary a lot by individual. Whatever gets the job done.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:55 PM

I went SC throughout.  As a shallow sweeper, I found the large Fli Hi sole to be cumbersome and not as precise as the SC in the long irons.  Ordered both the SC and Fli Hi in the 4 at same loft with same shaft and squared up the SC more, thus I hit it much better.  Was pretty surprised but I couldnt argue with the results.  Ended up returning the Fli Hi for store credit.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:07 PM

I went 3-4 in fli hi, 5-9 in sc, and 46 T7. I did not think the mmc blended well with this set. They had a different feel of weight placement in my hands and to me I felt I could not swing them the same. Just didn't get along with them at all. I'm sure others will enjoy them I just don't think they blend well.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:20 PM

Agree with above. MMC swung completely different for me. Went SC throughout. I would not classify the SC as easy to hit or forgiving by any stretch, felt similar about the MMC.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:39 PM

Like everyone said, fit will differ by individual golfer.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I went 4-5 fli hi then full mmc 6-pw. I would agree that the SC feels a touch softer than the MMC, but the MMCs were so solid and consistent I didn't bother messing with it.

I'm coming from a set of p790s so the mmc felt more than good enough for me, and the peace of mind that the MMC represent the most forgiveness of the line make them winners for me.

Also the flihi has tungsten weight out by the toe, the MMC does as well from 4-7, whereas the SC doesn't, so I'm not sure I follow the heads being a poor blend thought. If anything, I'd make the opposite argument. But the abundance of choice with the mp18 line is what makes them so attractive.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:47 PM

That is the best thing about this line, just do what works for you....

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I would not change a thing. I like the MMC a lot, but the 9-P are kinda chunky, just like the SC.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM

I went with the MMC, for me there was a noticeable difference. In a direct comparison to the MB and SC they gave me an avg extra 4mph ball speed, with smash avg up from 1.38 to 1.45, spin was down 350rpm(but still fine), all that resulted in +9m carry. I hit the fli hi for fun but didn't get any extra distance, speed or height out of the fli hi so just went 4-pw in the MMC.

I was able to hit all 3 of them fine, my miss is just leaving the face open, so in that respect all of those swings ended up on the same line, I didn't think any were punished severely in terms of distance loss, but I was hitting most shots out of the middle.

So in the end it was whether I wanted the MB's for the feel or the MMC for the distance, I went for the distance. As someone who doesn't hit it very far for my handicap I need all I can get, whilst still having an iron that feels nice and doesn't have crazy lofts or rebounding face type bizzo that leads to distance irregularities.

The MB and the SC have the same amount of offset, with the MMC slightly more. The SC and MMC have the same topline. The MB feel better than the other two and I believe are fairly easy to hit for a MB/Blade.

If I had no need for distance I would just go the MB, as it looks better to my eye than the SC from every angle and feels better, with performance almost identical.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM

 Eddie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

Like everyone said, fit will differ by individual golfer.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I went 4-5 fli hi then full mmc 6-pw. I would agree that the SC feels a touch softer than the MMC, but the MMCs were so solid and consistent I didn't bother messing with it.

I'm coming from a set of p790s so the mmc felt more than good enough for me, and the peace of mind that the MMC represent the most forgiveness of the line make them winners for me.

Also the flihi has tungsten weight out by the toe, the MMC does as well from 4-7, whereas the SC doesn't, so I'm not sure I follow the heads being a poor blend thought. If anything, I'd make the opposite argument. But the abundance of choice with the mp18 line is what makes them so attractive.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the 790s. Please tell me I'm talking myself into a better decision with the MPs. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I play year round and keep it around a 7 --strong off the tee and good flat stick. I played CB 57s for a while and wasn't keen on them below a 7, hence, the mix here. Currently game Vega VC03s that are easy for me to hit thru the set, but don't like the offset and the heads are just too damn big/thick top line is hard to look at. I'm just hoping the MPs are not too hard to hit --that I"m not walking away from the 790s when, for me, they may be the perfect set!  Decisions....

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:11 AM

 SeaIsland, on 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM, said:

 Eddie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

Like everyone said, fit will differ by individual golfer.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I went 4-5 fli hi then full mmc 6-pw. I would agree that the SC feels a touch softer than the MMC, but the MMCs were so solid and consistent I didn't bother messing with it.

I'm coming from a set of p790s so the mmc felt more than good enough for me, and the peace of mind that the MMC represent the most forgiveness of the line make them winners for me.

Also the flihi has tungsten weight out by the toe, the MMC does as well from 4-7, whereas the SC doesn't, so I'm not sure I follow the heads being a poor blend thought. If anything, I'd make the opposite argument. But the abundance of choice with the mp18 line is what makes them so attractive.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the 790s. Please tell me I'm talking myself into a better decision with the MPs. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I play year round and keep it around a 7 --strong off the tee and good flat stick. I played CB 57s for a while and wasn't keen on them below a 7, hence, the mix here. Currently game Vega VC03s that are easy for me to hit thru the set, but don't like the offset and the heads are just too damn big/thick top line is hard to look at. I'm just hoping the MPs are not too hard to hit --that I"m not walking away from the 790s when, for me, they may be the perfect set!  Decisions....

Probably the best thing about the 790's is their forgiveness and of course distance. For me I'd heard too many cases of people loving the 4-7 but finding gapping issues between the top and bottom of the set. Additionally it might also be worth checking out the Mizuno JPX 900 Forged and see how those go, many absolutely love them.

Have a hit of all of them if possible, the Srixon 765's are also another I'd throw into the mix.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:14 AM

I think the MMC's are a very playable set of irons.  There is just enough "help" built into them with the materials used, the offset, the small cavity and the head size.  One You Tube reviewer said he felt the MMC's were the Mizuno equivalent of Titleist's AP2's.  I completely agree with that.  The MCC is an amazing all around iron set.  The Fli Hi option in the long irons adds to the versatility.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:24 AM

 SeaIsland, on 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM, said:

 Eddie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

Like everyone said, fit will differ by individual golfer.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I went 4-5 fli hi then full mmc 6-pw. I would agree that the SC feels a touch softer than the MMC, but the MMCs were so solid and consistent I didn't bother messing with it.

I'm coming from a set of p790s so the mmc felt more than good enough for me, and the peace of mind that the MMC represent the most forgiveness of the line make them winners for me.

Also the flihi has tungsten weight out by the toe, the MMC does as well from 4-7, whereas the SC doesn't, so I'm not sure I follow the heads being a poor blend thought. If anything, I'd make the opposite argument. But the abundance of choice with the mp18 line is what makes them so attractive.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the 790s. Please tell me I'm talking myself into a better decision with the MPs. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I play year round and keep it around a 7 --strong off the tee and good flat stick. I played CB 57s for a while and wasn't keen on them below a 7, hence, the mix here. Currently game Vega VC03s that are easy for me to hit thru the set, but don't like the offset and the heads are just too damn big/thick top line is hard to look at. I'm just hoping the MPs are not too hard to hit --that I"m not walking away from the 790s when, for me, they may be the perfect set!  Decisions....

I am not trying to be "mean" about this, as the P790 seems to work well for a lot of people, but as my buddy puts it.  You want a solid one piece forging, or a hollow,goo filled gimmicky iron.....LMAO

I have hit the 790's, and they are nice sticks, but as a Mizuno guy at heart, easy call.  The fli-hi's are great in the longer irons, then do what you want through the rest of the set.  If you can even handle the MB in the 9-P, they look so much better at address than the SC or MMC.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:04 AM

 SeaIsland, on 17 May 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

Looking at a combo set of 4-6 Hi Fly and 7-P (?). The conventional move is to blend the MMCs, but I'm not seeing much of a performance difference? Is it just me --a funky swing day? Are any of you seeing big gains in distance/forgiveness between these two? Any other thoughts welcomed!

I have gamed a full set of the MP18 MB's since their release and would suggest that you don't let "convention" bias your choice. The MMC Hi-Fly, in the long irons (3,4 and 5) is a great option to explore. After more than a few demo sessions with the SC, MMC and MMC Hi-Fly, I found the Hi-Fly to far more dependable, IMO, for their intended purpose.  They fit seamlessly with the MBs, so I would presume the same could be said for the SCs, and can be flighted at your discretion. The versatility of the Hi-Fly, both off the deck and off the tee, is markedly greater than either the SCs or MMCs... So much so, that it prompted me to drop both the 4 and 5 irons and replace them with only the MMC Hi-Fly 5 iron.

While not a one piece forged head, the sound and feel are not overly dissimilar to the MBs... The performance, however, is markedly more friendly... especially from the rough!

While a bit off the primary topic, I would also advise that you look to the MB in the PW, as most of my friends who play the SC's have found the SC's PW to be less versatile and have changed them out in favor of the MB.

Hope this helps and bit and prompts you to at least give the Hi-Fly a demo.  

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:07 PM

I have the PW in the MB
8 and 9 iron in the SC (bent one degree strong)
4 - 7 in the MMC.  I personally found the MMC to look a little more helpful while still looking pure.  I'm not sure you will find a huge difference though between the two.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:20 PM

 Le Shizzle, on 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM, said:

I went with the MMC, for me there was a noticeable difference. In a direct comparison to the MB and SC they gave me an avg extra 4mph ball speed, with smash avg up from 1.38 to 1.45, spin was down 350rpm(but still fine), all that resulted in +9m carry. I hit the fli hi for fun but didn't get any extra distance, speed or height out of the fli hi so just went 4-pw in the MMC.

I was able to hit all 3 of them fine, my miss is just leaving the face open, so in that respect all of those swings ended up on the same line, I didn't think any were punished severely in terms of distance loss, but I was hitting most shots out of the middle.

So in the end it was whether I wanted the MB's for the feel or the MMC for the distance, I went for the distance. As someone who doesn't hit it very far for my handicap I need all I can get, whilst still having an iron that feels nice and doesn't have crazy lofts or rebounding face type bizzo that leads to distance irregularities.

The MB and the SC have the same amount of offset, with the MMC slightly more. The SC and MMC have the same topline. The MB feel better than the other two and I believe are fairly easy to hit for a MB/Blade.

If I had no need for distance I would just go the MB, as it looks better to my eye than the SC from every angle and feels better, with performance almost identical.

I had the same experience with the MMC.  I have had mine about a month and they perform better than my AP2's.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:37 PM

Has anyone had any gapping with the mmc between the 8i and 9i or 9i and pw. Noticed they have 5 degrees difference in loft were all other mps are usually 4 degrees
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 03:30 PM

 Ridgecrest18, on 18 May 2018 - 11:04 AM, said:

 SeaIsland, on 17 May 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

Looking at a combo set of 4-6 Hi Fly and 7-P (?). The conventional move is to blend the MMCs, but I'm not seeing much of a performance difference? Is it just me --a funky swing day? Are any of you seeing big gains in distance/forgiveness between these two? Any other thoughts welcomed!

I have gamed a full set of the MP18 MB's since their release and would suggest that you don't let "convention" bias your choice. The MMC Hi-Fly, in the long irons (3,4 and 5) is a great option to explore. After more than a few demo sessions with the SC, MMC and MMC Hi-Fly, I found the Hi-Fly to far more dependable, IMO, for their intended purpose.  They fit seamlessly with the MBs, so I would presume the same could be said for the SCs, and can be flighted at your discretion. The versatility of the Hi-Fly, both off the deck and off the tee, is markedly greater than either the SCs or MMCs... So much so, that it prompted me to drop both the 4 and 5 irons and replace them with only the MMC Hi-Fly 5 iron.

While not a one piece forged head, the sound and feel are not overly dissimilar to the MBs... The performance, however, is markedly more friendly... especially from the rough!

While a bit off the primary topic, I would also advise that you look to the MB in the PW, as most of my friends who play the SC's have found the SC's PW to be less versatile and have changed them out in favor of the MB.

Hope this helps and bit and prompts you to at least give the Hi-Fly a demo.  

In the U.S., I can actually get the HiFli in the 4,5, and 6. I'll have to hit the MBs --- I didn't even go there. thanks!


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:33 PM

 buzlin, on 17 May 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

I did not see much performance gains in the MMC, so went SC.  That said, if you like the MMC, it will make your loft gapping simpler.  You won't need to modify lofts for you 7 and/or 6 irons, which will leave the bounce and offset the same.  I really wanted a single material simple CB so i went with the SC.

Hungry for more info... I keep worrying that I had a bad swing day, because I didn't see much difference between the MMC and the SC --and I prefer the look of the SC. That does not mean I don't like the look of the MMC...and I definitely don't want to leave forgiveness and meaningful distance on the table. There are folks on this thread who don't even think there's much of a difference between the MMC and the MB --and I didn't even try the MB, because I thought I would be wasting my time. Any insights would be appreciated. I'm certain I"m going 4,5,6 with the Hi Fli...just stuck on the rest. thanks,

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:42 PM

SeaIsland, only you can make that decision.  I opted for the SC because I wanted a single material forging.  I had played the AP2 and MP15 in the past and while they're fantastic irons, the feel and feedback seemed a tad off/lacking for me.  Since I only play the SC in 7-pw I figured they were forgiving enough.  The fli hi is clearly a step up in forgiveness from the SC, so the trade off was a no brainier.  My rational for the SC are all personal/emotional and not really performance based.

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#23 Eddie

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:43 PM

 SeaIsland, on 18 May 2018 - 07:02 AM, said:

 Eddie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:39 PM, said:

Like everyone said, fit will differ by individual golfer.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I went 4-5 fli hi then full mmc 6-pw. I would agree that the SC feels a touch softer than the MMC, but the MMCs were so solid and consistent I didn't bother messing with it.

I'm coming from a set of p790s so the mmc felt more than good enough for me, and the peace of mind that the MMC represent the most forgiveness of the line make them winners for me.

Also the flihi has tungsten weight out by the toe, the MMC does as well from 4-7, whereas the SC doesn't, so I'm not sure I follow the heads being a poor blend thought. If anything, I'd make the opposite argument. But the abundance of choice with the mp18 line is what makes them so attractive.

I was ready to pull the trigger on the 790s. Please tell me I'm talking myself into a better decision with the MPs. I'm not a great player by any stretch, but I play year round and keep it around a 7 --strong off the tee and good flat stick. I played CB 57s for a while and wasn't keen on them below a 7, hence, the mix here. Currently game Vega VC03s that are easy for me to hit thru the set, but don't like the offset and the heads are just too damn big/thick top line is hard to look at. I'm just hoping the MPs are not too hard to hit --that I"m not walking away from the 790s when, for me, they may be the perfect set!  Decisions....

I’m a big TM fan and the MMC feel much better than the p790. Reasons why I switched: better feel. Secondly, the p790s off a mat or fairway are fine but out of the rough they do not spin enough for me causing short irons out of the rough onto hard greens impossible to hold. Distance is maybe a few yards shorter but much more control. The p790 long irons are longer for sure, the 4 and 5 are rocket launchers so I will miss that, but 8-p I couldn’t play them. I play a fade and if I missed target even a few yards left I found myself flying greens and ending up in terrible spots, which was a scorecard killer. I don’t want you to base your decision off of my experiences but I made the switch and happy I did.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 05:07 PM

Thanks to all... really appreciate the responses. My journey went from PXG (didn't want to hear the BS from, well, basically everyone I know) to P790s (like everyone else, saw crazy  distance gains over my Vegas to the MP 18s. The HiFli choice in the long irons was a no brainer (4,5,6); I'm going to again go hit the other three and make a decision. It's all about the strike. The only curve ball you threw me was suggesting that the MBs should be considered. Thanks again...

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:44 PM

OK, I'm back on the same thread. Thanks for your patience (I hope my investigation here is helpful to others): I went back on a good swing day today and hit the MP range (minus the blades... sorry to the WRXer who suggested it). I hit the SC and MMC very well, but plainly hit the MMC a lot farther --not a little, but 10+ yards consistently (I know the lofts are different). The shaft? Modus 105s. On the range, my best strikes were boring (not high enough IMHO) and I was long (175+ for a 6 is long for me). Misses still went far, but knuckled. Indoors, my best strikes carried 170-175; 86-90 SS; 4800-5100 spin; about 17-19 in launch; about 28-30 yards in height. The fitter said he wouldn't change a thing. I'm not sure I would agree. I was all set to have these irons paired with MCA OTI tapered in 100s or 110s in stiff, but now I'm lost, as I understand they are not known to be high launching. I was middling it so well today that I didn't experience any elbow shockers... I went to graphite because of tendonitis  So while I think I still want graphite... hey, I'm not against saving $600. Any thoughts on slightly higher launching shafts would be appreciated. I know that I tend to slide in front, so that's got something to do with it obviously, but only on my best swings did I see a trajectory that seemed reasonable.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:56 PM

Your numbers really aren't that bad.  A bit more height would be nice but not overly critical considering this was a 6i.  We you using your gamer ball during the fitting

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 07:41 PM

 noodle3872, on 19 May 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

Your numbers really aren't that bad.  A bit more height would be nice but not overly critical considering this was a 6i.  We you using your gamer ball during the fitting

Very interested in your opinions. You went from the OT I parallel to OT I Taper --right? I'm told the stiff version of either shaft plays a little soft... which is probably good for me.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:26 PM

The OT Tour 100 (taper tip) is so smooth and well balanced that it is much like the Modus 105 in that it feels soft to flex yet takes all you can throw at it. Your SS is 5-7 mph higher than mine. You’ll be fine in stiff flex. I actually use the Modus 105 Stiff and Modus 105 Wedge as the play so similar to the OT Tour 100 Stiff. My tendinitis issue is in my thumbs and the Modus dampen out enough vibration to keep my hands from hurting.


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:07 AM

30yd peak height is pretty much right where you want it.
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Posted Yesterday, 03:21 PM

I played today first time MP18 MMC w/ Nippon 105X. Coming from JPX900 Tour w/ Nippon 105X. I can only say very, very good set.

MMC is soft. In my opinion softer then JPX900T, especially on slight mishits. At the beginning of the year I played MP18 MB. I can only say MMC are nearly as soft, but more explosive of the face, that’s why it feels more solid.

Topline is very similar to 900T which I like. Also nearly same offset. I‘m a 3 Hcp and I have really no concern playing full set 5 down to PW.

The MMCs are also long. Very long w/ good foregiveness in 5-, 6- and 7-iron. Maybe a touch to long and a touch to low. But I can easily bend this 1 degree weak.

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