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Best value in a Callaway driver from the last 2-3 years? 90mph

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#1 me05501

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:59 AM

I'm a 49 y.o. mid-handicapper with a pretty consistent 90 mph swing speed with my driver.

I currently play a Callaway RAZR Fit driver. I have the stock regular shaft as well as a Radix 6 in stiff. I have traditionally favored Callaway woods. They seem to suit my eye and my swing.

My measured carry distance as of last week was in the 210 range. The pro showed me that my smash factor was 1.50, which is good, but we're still working on getting my path and face angles optimized through some swing changes. When I was able to deliver the club face square, I got more like 220 carry. My launch angle was basically flat, which is another area we are working on improving.

So...I'm short. But I'm hitting fairways. Typical issue for a slow swinger.

Part of me thinks I need to stick with my old reliable driver until I reach the limits of what it can do. Maybe as I continue to hone my setup and swing I will find plenty of extra distance with my fairway finding RAZR Fit.

The other part of me wonders if one of the newer Callaway heads might give me a little boost in distance right away and have more to offer as the swing changes take hold.

Since I'm caught in between the shoulder angel and shoulder devil, I thought I might look back a few seasons at drivers like the XR16 or Fusion. I don't need a "players" driver and I don't need to try and work the driver. I just want straight and long.

Where's the sweet spot on cost/value right now? What would be the best $150-200 spend?


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#2 JaNelson38

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:10 AM

With a 90 mph swing speed, I dont know if a new driver head is suddenly going to get you a boost in distance.  

Driver heads really havent changed THAT much in recent years.  Many tour pros still use "old" stuff.  Adam Scott just switched back to the Titleist 910, a 10-year old model, at the Players.  Steve Stricker and Rafa Cabrera Bello still use the Titleist 913.  Its more about finding the right shaft that suits your swing.  I would focus on that with your pro or club fitter before worrying about a different head.  All OEM's should have a variety of shaft offerings on their fitting carts to point you in the right direction.  Get the shaft fit first, then worry about getting the head after.  When you know you have the right shaft, then you can focus on the right shaft/head combo that gives you the best combination of feel and numbers you're looking for.

If you're looking at Callaway heads because they suit your eye, I would point you to Callaway Pre-Owned, where they have a great variety of merchandise available at good prices.  And they usually run sales or shipping perks every week.  An XR16 in very good condition can be had for the price range you desire.

Edited by JaNelson38, 17 May 2018 - 10:11 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:13 AM

.Mike...I have the same speed with my driver...I'm 58 and I am a mid-handicap golfer.  I am playing the Srixon Z545 driver.  I would love to get more distance.  I was in work the other day and I took out the Callaway Fusion.  I was carrying 230-235 and rolling out to 250, not bad at all.  I like how the feel of this club, when I hit it on the middle of the face, the balls go a mile...Have you tried the Fusion...give it a chance!!!
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:16 AM

View Postpduvie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

.Mike...I have the same speed with my driver...I'm 58 and I am a mid-handicap golfer.  I am playing the Srixon Z545 driver.  I would love to get more distance.  I was in work the other day and I took out the Callaway Fusion.  I was carrying 230-235 and rolling out to 250, not bad at all.  I like how the feel of this club, when I hit it on the middle of the face, the balls go a mile...Have you tried the Fusion...give it a chance!!!

The Z545 driver is my current gamer as well.  I have a faster swing speed, but the Z545 with the Miyazaki shaft offering that Srixon has is the longest driver Ive ever owned.

I would add to the OP that even though Callaway may suit your eye, dont be afraid to try all OEM offerings you can.  The last two drivers Ive owned - my current Z545 and the Mizuno JPX 850 - are two models I wouldnt have dreamed about gaming because I didnt know much about them, but on whims I tried them both since my local golf shop had demos for them.  Sometimes the hidden gems that arent marketed hard like TM, Cally or Titleist can be better than anything else you try.  And cheaper too.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:29 AM

View Postme05501, on 17 May 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

The pro showed me that my smash factor was 1.50, which is good
1.50 good? Its great.
What was your launch angle and spin rate?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:44 AM

2nd vote for fusion. Pair with a prolaunch blue or other high launch shaft and should be gtg.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:53 AM

View PostSubaruWRX, on 17 May 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

View Postme05501, on 17 May 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

The pro showed me that my smash factor was 1.50, which is good
1.50 good? It's great.
What was your launch angle and spin rate?

Spin was a little high, 3500-3800 on the best balls. I think the launch angle was too low. Low single digits IIRC. I should have taken a picture of the Trackman screen.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:22 AM

X series N416 for $129 is a great deal for an adjustable driver suited for the moderate to low swing speeds.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:33 AM

GBB.
Driver: Callaway GBB 9.5* (Project X HZRDUS Black 76g 6.5X)
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:34 AM

View Postpduvie, on 17 May 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

.Mike...I have the same speed with my driver...I'm 58 and I am a mid-handicap golfer.  I am playing the Srixon Z545 driver.  I would love to get more distance.  I was in work the other day and I took out the Callaway Fusion.  I was carrying 230-235 and rolling out to 250, not bad at all.  I like how the feel of this club, when I hit it on the middle of the face, the balls go a mile...Have you tried the Fusion...give it a chance!!!

Another vote for the Fusion!  I picked up the head for great price to tryout and it is longer than my XR16 Pro heads and more forgiving so I just sold those heads!  I have picked up yardage with the Fusion but like others have mentioned also, there in nothing wrong with older drivers.  My buddy still uses a Taylormade R5 and hits it a very long way!  He out drives me alot!


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:35 AM

The Great Big Bertha with the matte black finish is an excellent driver that offers a great combo of forgiveness and distance. Read the reviews!

http://www.callawayg...big-bertha.html

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:46 AM

Another vote for the GBB.  I was fit into this head a few years ago with the Speeder Evo II 569 stiff.  It held up at a fitting last January against the new models and I went back again earlier this week for another fitting to see what I was leaving on the table.  Swing was at 101 and I was hitting that combo farther, on average, than any of the newer OEM heads with both newer shafts and using my shaft (Epics and Rogues).  Averages for ball speeds (148), launch (13.5), spin (2100) with my combo were all higher than anything else.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:49 AM

Your best option to pick up ball speed is an Epic driver. You can pick up a "like new" on on callawaygolfpreowned.com with a 30% off coupon... which they offer regularly. I have seem people with your ball speed pick up 15 yards with that club.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:41 PM

First, figure out what shaft weight suits you. Then pick a driver with that shaft weight and whatever head shape that suits your eye. Personally I would get an XR16 pro, dont like the triangular shape of the fusion nor the busy crown of the epic. To me, the xr16 pro looks perfect. Finally, loft. If you tend to slice, get a 9* lofted up to close the face. If you tend to hook, get a higher stated loft and crank it down.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:59 PM

Big Bertha.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:03 PM

Thanks guys, good replies. I ebayed a Fusion 10.5 w/ regular flex shaft for $100 w/ headcover. You know I was going to scratch that itch somehow.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:23 PM

View PostJohnnypenso, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.
Agreed!

Never understood why so many people reply with a buy this, buy that without even knowing whats going on with the OPs swing.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:01 PM

Im usually around high 80s low 90s swing speed.  On a good weather day I can usually max out around 235-240 on level ground with some good roll. I own both the GBB and Epic and honestly they are usually within a couple yards of each other. Whichever is struck better goes further.  I game the Epic because the larger footprint profile suits my eye better. The GBB is more traditional in Shape and looks smaller.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:48 AM

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:47 AM

no doubt the GBB.. so good i bought 2 of them just in case one gets taken out of my hands. I also have an Epic and the GBB is still far better for me. It probably one of Cally's best drivers ever produced that didn't get a whole lot of press.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

The GBB is great. Also, don't  forget the mini drivers.
At that  swing speed, loft can be your friend. A 14 mini-driver (Callaway)can be had pretty cheap. The mini is large  enough  to be forgiving, and you don't  struggle to hit the ball.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 04:01 PM

I gamed the Razr with Trinity shaft for a fair bit, went to Fusion with Pro62 shaft, then Ping G400 with Tour shaft. The Razr is as long as anything out of the middle , you may find your average driving distance increases because of better forgiveness in the Fusion.

That said G400 is the best I 've gamed in the past 5 years

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:16 PM

View PostSubaruWRX, on 17 May 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostJohnnypenso, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.
Agreed!

Never understood why so many people reply with a buy this, buy that without even knowing whats going on with the OPs swing.

You've been a member since '07 and you don't understand this. This is Golfwrx.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:08 PM

View Postchal0072, on 18 May 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

View PostSubaruWRX, on 17 May 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostJohnnypenso, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.
Agreed!

Never understood why so many people reply with a “buy this, buy that” without even knowing what’s going on with the OP’s swing.

You've been a member since '07 and you don't understand this. This is Golfwrx.

I played a razr, and would agree, it's as long as any head I've hit. The dude just ask for suggestions, lighten up on the swing anaylsis, this place is too full of this stuff


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:16 PM

Looks like the OP found a solid solution and good deal.  To the original general question, though, a used N416 in the ~$50 seems tough to beat value wise... basically a rebranded X2 Hot and a much less ugly color scheme.  I grabbed one for $47 from Global this week when shuffling around my backup bag.  I think off the shelf they came with a made-for Aldila Tour Blue (which I think was the stock shaft for the X2 Hot as well) but mine has a Fubuki Z50 Stiff in it, so we'll see how that plays.  I have a GD G60 Stiff from a '14 Big Bertha I can throw in it if that's too light.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 06:22 PM

Thanks guys. The Fusion will be here tomorrow and I hope to play later this week.

I also bought some low compression Maxfli balls at Dicks today. Two dozen for $21. Some companies who sell to me have given me a few dozen ProVs and ProV Xs that Ive been playing lately, but obviously I dont have the swing speed to get them working how theyre supposed to work. Ill probably start giving those to clients like Im supposed to be doing. :)

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:54 PM

As a short hitter I have found that loft and shaft flex to be the things that really make a difference. I hit my longest drive ever with a real noodle of a shaft. Good luck with your choice, and get some practice in.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:51 PM

View PostSubaruWRX, on 17 May 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostJohnnypenso, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.
Agreed!

Never understood why so many people reply with a "buy this, buy that" without even knowing what's going on with the OP's swing.

Maybe because he asked ?

210 is NOT maxed out. If one thing has been "proven" here on WRX it is that carry is maxed out at roughly 2.5 times the club head speed. So for 90 it'd be about 225.

Personally I find that to be consistent with my results.

That said OP, I've NEVER hit 1.5 on the smash factor scale nor have I seen anyone else do it either. LOL

But anywho, the 210 for 90 MPH isn't maxed out most likely because your launch and/or spin rate isn't optimum - and the stock shaft probably won't do it either. Launch window you should be shooting for is netween 14-17* and 22-2500 or so spin rate.

I've hit the Fusion for about 1.5 years now, first half of which was with the Diamana Red stock shaft. Worked pretty well but routinely hit some high floaters that, while directionally good, clearly (or at least I though so) weren't maxing out for the way I hit it.

I'm a high spin driver of the ball and I'm sure it was spinning too much. Last September or so I got a Hzrdus Black shaft and it transformed the club. Can't possibly hit it any better. My SS is just a bit higher than yours and 230 carry is fairly common. I hit my club in a LM the other day with the new Rogue Sub Zero and Rogue Draw heads (with my shaft of course) and got virtually identical numbers with all 3.

Here's the Fusion thread in case you haven't seen it - The Suprising Callway Fusion
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#30 Johnnypenso

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 12:17 AM

View Postnsxguy, on 20 May 2018 - 11:51 PM, said:

View PostSubaruWRX, on 17 May 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostJohnnypenso, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

If your smash factor is 1.50 you're maxed out on that front. 210 carry with 90 mph SS is probably maxed out too. I'd continue working on your swing changes before thinking about another driver.
Agreed!

Never understood why so many people reply with a "buy this, buy that" without even knowing what's going on with the OP's swing.

Maybe because he asked ?

210 is NOT maxed out. If one thing has been "proven" here on WRX it is that carry is maxed out at roughly 2.5 times the club head speed. So for 90 it'd be about 225.

Personally I find that to be consistent with my results.

That said OP, I've NEVER hit 1.5 on the smash factor scale nor have I seen anyone else do it either. LOL

But anywho, the 210 for 90 MPH isn't maxed out most likely because your launch and/or spin rate isn't optimum - and the stock shaft probably won't do it either. Launch window you should be shooting for is netween 14-17* and 22-2500 or so spin rate.

I've hit the Fusion for about 1.5 years now, first half of which was with the Diamana Red stock shaft. Worked pretty well but routinely hit some high floaters that, while directionally good, clearly (or at least I though so) weren't maxing out for the way I hit it.

I'm a high spin driver of the ball and I'm sure it was spinning too much. Last September or so I got a Hzrdus Black shaft and it transformed the club. Can't possibly hit it any better. My SS is just a bit higher than yours and 230 carry is fairly common. I hit my club in a LM the other day with the new Rogue Sub Zero and Rogue Draw heads (with my shaft of course) and got virtually identical numbers with all 3.

Here's the Fusion thread in case you haven't seen it - The Suprising Callway Fusion
And if you read the OP you'd see that when he hits the ball flush he's getting 220 carry which puts him within 5 yards of the WRX approved max carry. He also working on swing path and launch angles. It makes no sense to even think about new clubs when you're already at nearly 98% of the max carry and still working on getting the club face squared up and launch angle optimized.


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