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Anyone else feel like moving the Players Championship to March is a poor decision

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#61 WidespreadPanic

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:18 PM

If you have ever been to the Players, you love the move. It is so hot. And I could argue that it will be much harder in March, when the winds are really swirling.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:09 AM

View PostConrad1953, on 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

Don't get the complaints

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I like that lineup and spacing. What's not to like?

100% agree.  It just makes sense.  These moves are about one thing and one thing only.  Avoiding competing with the NFL for viewers.  They are also having to be careful to not compete with NCAA basketball.  As a Southerner I think it gets me pumped to know there will be an important tournament about the time I am getting amped up to play.  Golf fever hits me end of february, beginning of March.  Look forward to it.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:52 AM

View PostgatorMD, on 15 May 2018 - 03:08 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:25 AM

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

It won't be irrelevant but IMO having the last major of the year played in the middle of July isn't great.
It used to be like that. For many years the PGA as the final major was played in July. Sometimes one week after the Open Championship and sometimes two weeks after. The game survived and didn't suffer.

In 1953, Hogan couldn't even attempt the grand slam because the PGA conflicted with the Open Championship. So....I guess July dates for the PGA weren't so great.
Playing the PGA in May brings dicey weather conditions into play any year the tournament will be played in the Northeast and Midwest. Not a fan of that.

It's all being done so the inane FedEx Cup "playoffs" won't conflict with the NFL.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:27 AM

As long as moving TPC to March doesnt effect the API, I'm fine with it.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:33 AM

I love it.  Also remember that part of the change is moving the PGA Championship to May.

Having been to The PLAYERS several times, it's not a fun course to walk and usually it gets really hot in May.  And the showers are likely to come in May as well in Florida.  March makes for a better fan experience and more likely an uninterupted event due to better weather.  It also will likely mean a stronger field at Bay Hill as I'm guessing Bay Hill will be played the week before Sawgrass.

The move of the PGA Championship to May should mean a wider variety of course venues.  They have played the PGA Championship at Atlanta Athletic Club before, but that is risking dangerously hot conditions in August.  Now in May they can play a wider variety of courses with the weather like to be better cooperating.

And now the Tour has something big going on each month with The PLAYERS in March, Augusta in April, PGA in May, US Open in June, British Open in July and the FedEX playoffs in August.  Even if there were no Olympics...I think this is a great move.





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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:55 AM

View Postthird-times-a-charm, on 16 May 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

As long as moving TPC to March doesnt effect the API, I'm fine with it.

Well, somebody's going to get crushed.  As it stands now, they're going to have WGC-Mexico, Honda, API and TPC all in a row.  Then Valspar and the WGC Match Play in Austin.  I'm guessing Honda and Valspar are going to suffer.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:58 AM

most likely valspar is going to get suckered punch even though it's the best course during the florida swing. =(
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:55 AM

View PostConrad1953, on 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

Don't get the complaints

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I like that lineup and spacing. What's not to like?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:58 AM

View Postjohnnypro, on 16 May 2018 - 08:25 AM, said:

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 09:59 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

It won't be irrelevant but IMO having the last major of the year played in the middle of July isn't great.
It used to be like that. For many years the PGA as the final major was played in July. Sometimes one week after the Open Championship and sometimes two weeks after. The game survived and didn't suffer.

In 1953, Hogan couldn't even attempt the grand slam because the PGA conflicted with the Open Championship. So....I guess July dates for the PGA weren't so great.
Playing the PGA in May brings dicey weather conditions into play any year the tournament will be played in the Northeast and Midwest. Not a fan of that.

It's all being done so the inane FedEx Cup "playoffs" won't conflict with the NFL.
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And that conflict doesn't exist now. Totally different circumstances 65 years ago compared to now. The Open championship in 1953 was an afterthought to most golfers from the USA due to a tiny purse and extreme travel costs. It wasn't worth the time and effort to play it.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:19 AM

View PostMountainGoat, on 16 May 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

View Postthird-times-a-charm, on 16 May 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

As long as moving TPC to March doesnt effect the API, I'm fine with it.

Well, somebody's going to get crushed.  As it stands now, they're going to have WGC-Mexico, Honda, API and TPC all in a row.  Then Valspar and the WGC Match Play in Austin.  I'm guessing Honda and Valspar are going to suffer.

The API can be moved up or down, and it's a signature event in Orlando and a big money event for the players so I'm not worried too much. The only big issue is players skipping it due to other stops for some needed downtime - which happens anyway.

A big positive is having so many events in the area an dont having the players flying around only to make it back to Florida.

IMO the API is a bigger event than the Honda or the Valspar

We'll see.

Edited by third-times-a-charm, 16 May 2018 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:37 AM

I had this thought that because of the scheduling dilemma (made worse by RC PC Olympics, combined with the is "the players the 5th major", combined with the "PGA Championship is boring" ....what they should do is combine the players and the PGA Champ make its home TPC so it has the same course thing the masters has going on ... problem solved Players is a Major ... Pga Cham is now the deepest field in golf, schedule less burdened.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:41 AM

As far as scheduling goes, I'd bet the Valspar and API lose out. Valspar isn't as mainstream an event, and a lot of players don't care for Bay Hill and Mr. Palmer isn't there anymore. A lot of these guys now live in the Jupiter Palm Beach Gardens area and won't skip a home event or a WGC or the Players Championship.

Is it possible they'll play each and every event absolutely, and they are kinda close together so travel ain't too bad.

One impetus for increasing FedEx points and three year exemptions for a win at the API was because the tour knew that players really only went for Arnold. Obviously I don't think the PGA Tour will say that, but if you get them one on one they'll tell you that.



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:09 PM

View PostBNGL, on 16 May 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

As far as scheduling goes, I'd bet the Valspar and API lose out. Valspar isn't as mainstream an event, and a lot of players don't care for Bay Hill and Mr. Palmer isn't there anymore. A lot of these guys now live in the Jupiter Palm Beach Gardens area and won't skip a home event or a WGC or the Players Championship.

Is it possible they'll play each and every event absolutely, and they are kinda close together so travel ain't too bad.

One impetus for increasing FedEx points and three year exemptions for a win at the API was because the tour knew that players really only went for Arnold. Obviously I don't think the PGA Tour will say that, but if you get them one on one they'll tell you that.

Well, we agree that the Valspar will lose out.

Plenty of players live in the Orlando area at Islesworth and Lake Nona, too, so that argument works for Central Florida as well.

I'll agree that the money and exemptions make the API attractive rather than the course itself since each attendee will have played it a dozen times already, but even with that said it's still a stronger event than the Honda/Valspar.

Bubba is the only one who really complains about Bay Hill, yet he comes back every year plus the fact the API has been going on since 1979, I think - it's not going anywhere even with some years of having a weak field.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:47 PM

We will just agree to disagree I think. I said what I know, talking to players I know, senior staff at Bay Hill that I have worked with or for in my time, tour officials I worked with, even the Saunders family at lunch during tournament week.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:06 PM

View PostRichieHunt, on 16 May 2018 - 08:33 AM, said:

The move of the PGA Championship to May should mean a wider variety of course venues.  They have played the PGA Championship at Atlanta Athletic Club before, but that is risking dangerously hot conditions in August.  Now in May they can play a wider variety of courses with the weather like to be better cooperating.

This is the biggest benefit imo. For the players itself, it seems fine in either may/march. In march, it felt like there was more buzz as the biggest event before the majors rather than being sandwiched between majors, but in May the weather has been more predictable. Either is fine for different reasons. The PGA is the big beneficiary. Theres a whole half of the country they can go to now that was too hot before. A major in FL or TX, etc is now possible (tho its unfortunate pga is booked so far out already so wont happen for a while). Yes, it takes out some northern or midwest venues, but the us open can go to those places. This potentially allows the pga to really set itself apart from the US Open even more just by the courses that can be chosen.

Big loser is the tour championship tho. While its great for the playoffs to get out of the nfl shadow, atlanta in august is no good. When the tour championship was in oct/nov, it was perfect for atlanta. move to late sept was fine. but august is really pushing the heat too much. And while of course it could be moved in theory, with Coke in atlanta thats a big sponsor to replace (and east lake has always been a good story). So hard to imagine its practical sponsor wise to move the tour championship elsewhere. But man, thats prime hotlanta.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:59 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 16 May 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

View PostConrad1953, on 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

Don't get the complaints

March-Players
April-Master's
May- PGA Championship
June- US Open
July- Open
August- Playoffs

I like that lineup and spacing. What's not to like?

September - Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup

I was going to add that but I think the next President's cup is going to be played in December due to
it being in Australia.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:04 PM

Wasn't the Tour supposed to have finalized and published the 2019 schedule by now?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:45 PM

View PostConrad1953, on 16 May 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

View PostSilverBullets, on 16 May 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

View PostConrad1953, on 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

Don't get the complaints

March-Players
April-Master's
May- PGA Championship
June- US Open
July- Open
August- Playoffs

I like that lineup and spacing. What's not to like?

September - Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup

I was going to add that but I think the next President's cup is going to be played in December due to
it being in Australia.

Yeah I didn't realize that at first.. the presidents cup will depend on where its being held.  I know when it's the US, its seems to be in that late September to mid October time frame.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:43 PM

View PostMountainGoat, on 16 May 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

Wasn't the Tour supposed to have finalized and published the 2019 schedule by now?

Yes, but a few tournaments are still up in the air and I think they're waiting to get those finalized before they
announce the final schedule. Hopefully soon.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:28 PM

I think moving The PLAYERS back to March is a great decision.  The championship used to have a unique feel when it was the first big tournament of the year.  It was like a dress rehearsal for the Masters.  It lost its mojo in May.

The truly bad decision is moving the PGA Championship to May.  We will all come to see what a disaster that decision will turn out to be.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:16 PM

View PostPGArox, on 16 May 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

I think moving The PLAYERS back to March is a great decision.  The championship used to have a unique feel when it was the first big tournament of the year.  It was like a dress rehearsal for the Masters.  It lost its mojo in May.

The truly bad decision is moving the PGA Championship to May.  We will all come to see what a disaster that decision will turn out to be.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:08 AM

View PostPGArox, on 16 May 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

I think moving The PLAYERS back to March is a great decision.  The championship used to have a unique feel when it was the first big tournament of the year.  It was like a dress rehearsal for the Masters.  It lost its mojo in May.

The truly bad decision is moving the PGA Championship to May.  We will all come to see what a disaster that decision will turn out to be.

Why is moving the PGA Championship to May such a bad idea?  I don't understand the argument.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:33 AM

View PostConrad1953, on 15 May 2018 - 10:27 PM, said:

March = more balls in the water.........bring it on.

Don't get the complaints

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:33 AM

View PostMountainGoat, on 17 May 2018 - 06:08 AM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 16 May 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

I think moving The PLAYERS back to March is a great decision.  The championship used to have a unique feel when it was the first big tournament of the year.  It was like a dress rehearsal for the Masters.  It lost its mojo in May.

The truly bad decision is moving the PGA Championship to May.  We will all come to see what a disaster that decision will turn out to be.

Why is moving the PGA Championship to May such a bad idea?  I don't understand the argument.
I'd agree with PGArox that moving the players back to March is good. From my perspective the weather in many parts of the country still isn't outdoor weather so its gonna get more eyes as many are still inside due to weather.

A PGA championship in May will virtually guarantee that it will be played in poor, cool weather at some point in a year that spring arrives late in the North.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:57 AM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 15 May 2018 - 10:18 PM, said:

If you have ever been to the Players, you love the move. It is so hot. And I could argue that it will be much harder in March, when the winds are really swirling.

Some of going to the Players in May is the people watching though. The sundresses are almost worth the trip alone!

I do like the change back to March, it takes things back to what I always remember as being TPC then Augusta to start out the beginning of my golf season here in the Midwest.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:31 AM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 17 May 2018 - 07:33 AM, said:

View PostMountainGoat, on 17 May 2018 - 06:08 AM, said:

View PostPGArox, on 16 May 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

I think moving The PLAYERS back to March is a great decision.  The championship used to have a unique feel when it was the first big tournament of the year.  It was like a dress rehearsal for the Masters.  It lost its mojo in May.

The truly bad decision is moving the PGA Championship to May.  We will all come to see what a disaster that decision will turn out to be.

Why is moving the PGA Championship to May such a bad idea?  I don't understand the argument.
I'd agree with PGArox that moving the players back to March is good. From my perspective the weather in many parts of the country still isn't outdoor weather so its gonna get more eyes as many are still inside due to weather.

A PGA championship in May will virtually guarantee that it will be played in poor, cool weather at some point in a year that spring arrives late in the North.

But, doesn't a May date help put better emphasis on PGA teaching pros at the beginning of the season when they could most benefit from the exposure?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:38 AM

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 17 May 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 15 May 2018 - 10:18 PM, said:

If you have ever been to the Players, you love the move. It is so hot. And I could argue that it will be much harder in March, when the winds are really swirling.

Some of going to the Players in May is the people watching though. The sundresses are almost worth the trip alone!

I do like the change back to March, it takes things back to what I always remember as being TPC then Augusta to start out the beginning of my golf season here in the Midwest.
I thought sun dresses were a year round event in Florida
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:45 AM

View Post2putttom, on 17 May 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 17 May 2018 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 15 May 2018 - 10:18 PM, said:

If you have ever been to the Players, you love the move. It is so hot. And I could argue that it will be much harder in March, when the winds are really swirling.

Some of going to the Players in May is the people watching though. The sundresses are almost worth the trip alone!

I do like the change back to March, it takes things back to what I always remember as being TPC then Augusta to start out the beginning of my golf season here in the Midwest.
I thought sun dresses were a year round event in Florida

Depends on the wind and "cold" some too. Though I suppose when you're there to socialize, looking good sometimes is more important than being warm.

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