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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:48 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 15 May 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

It's amazing the Olympics is having this impact on majors

I view it a little different.  I don't think the Olympics on their own had an impact on moving the PGA and Players.  I think the Olympics were the final straw.  Its also the newish wrap around season, the ever changing FedEx Cup Playoffs, and the seemingly increased push to make the President's Cup more than just a fun exhibition.  The Olympics, and everyone skipping it, I think was just the final straw.

Now you almost have 3 golf seasons.  The beginning of the wrap around season from Oct/November or whatever until March.  Then you have the Majors season starting with The Players and ending with The Open.  Then you have the Playoffs/Exhibition season (Olympics, FedEx Cup, Ryder Cup, President's Cup).

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:51 PM

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View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.
It hasn't always been played at the end of the traditional golf season. It's been played in February (1971). When the PGA was match play it was played all over the calendar. During early 1960's it was played the week following the Open Championship in July multiple times. Didn't move to August until the late 1960's. So were all of those not relevant?

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:51 PM

I am fine with it moving.  January - the Masters is the best part of the golf season.  Having the Players in May a decent gap between the Masters and US Open, but there's barely any buildup at all.  Seems like most guys have taken 2/3 weeks off.

Putting it back where you're coming off the west coast swing and in the Florida swing will be great I think.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:54 PM

View PostgatorMD, on 15 May 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostSilverBullets, on 15 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Moving it back is kind of a necessary evil.  Right now, with the PGA Champ being in August, the FedEx Cup Playoffs being after that, the Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup being after that... then mixing in the Olympics... And then there's the fact that the tour now has a wrap around schedule.  things are too jammed up at the end of the year.  The elite players want to take breaks and need to take breaks.  The schedule is jam packed in the back half of the year and it leads to elite players skipping events like the Olympics and possibly even the presidents cup.

The tour wants events like the FedEx Cup Playoffs, the President's Cup and even the Olympics (even though they aren't really part of the Olympics) to have increased importance for the global growth of the game.  By moving the PGA Championship up, it allows players to take a break in the summer which could/should increase participation and interest level in the exhibition events.  It also allows them to try and make the FedEx Cup Playoffs more of a marquee event.

The Tour has been trying to push this wrap around season for a while now and let's face it, it hasn't worked.  Casual golf fans, and even serious golf fans, don't care.  The first marquee event is in mid April.  That leaves a solid 5-6 months of a season which fans don't care about.  A big part of the problem with the wrap around schedule is the quality of events.  There are none right now.  By moving the Players to March it adds a standalone marquee event earlier in the season.  Even though it's just a few weeks prior to the Masters, it still starts fans' interest in golf earlier in the year.

The Players is an established event.  It's a marquee event.  It won't lose any lust by being moved to March.

My biggest concern, being from Columbus, Ohio, is will there be an impact to the Memorial.   The Memorial, while not a Major and not the Players is right there on that next tier.  It's a field which traditionally gets the best of the best because it's Jack's event, its at a pristine facility, and it's two weeks before the US Open.  With the PGA Champ now right before the Memorial, will the elite players still show up?  Or will they sit it out as it's a solid time for a break between majors now?

I'm so curious as to who skips the next Olympics secondary to getting caught doping....  U will never change my mind as to why so many top player skipped the first one....

I think that certainly played a role.  I think there were other reasons and I don't think any of them were positive.  Doping, not playing for money, don't care about the Olympics as they add nothing to a tour player's career resume (from a perspective of what they actually care about), too big of a hassle for too little of a payoff, etc.

I don't think moving these tournaments will help with players skipping the Olympics, but, I do think it creates some more opportunity to ramp up the FedEx Cup Playoffs and have guys not be so worn out entering the Ryder Cup/President's Cup.   That could in turn give some of the wrap around events a little better field.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:59 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 15 May 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

View PostgatorMD, on 15 May 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostSilverBullets, on 15 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Moving it back is kind of a necessary evil.  Right now, with the PGA Champ being in August, the FedEx Cup Playoffs being after that, the Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup being after that... then mixing in the Olympics... And then there's the fact that the tour now has a wrap around schedule.  things are too jammed up at the end of the year.  The elite players want to take breaks and need to take breaks.  The schedule is jam packed in the back half of the year and it leads to elite players skipping events like the Olympics and possibly even the presidents cup.

The tour wants events like the FedEx Cup Playoffs, the President's Cup and even the Olympics (even though they aren't really part of the Olympics) to have increased importance for the global growth of the game.  By moving the PGA Championship up, it allows players to take a break in the summer which could/should increase participation and interest level in the exhibition events.  It also allows them to try and make the FedEx Cup Playoffs more of a marquee event.

The Tour has been trying to push this wrap around season for a while now and let's face it, it hasn't worked.  Casual golf fans, and even serious golf fans, don't care.  The first marquee event is in mid April.  That leaves a solid 5-6 months of a season which fans don't care about.  A big part of the problem with the wrap around schedule is the quality of events.  There are none right now.  By moving the Players to March it adds a standalone marquee event earlier in the season.  Even though it's just a few weeks prior to the Masters, it still starts fans' interest in golf earlier in the year.

The Players is an established event.  It's a marquee event.  It won't lose any lust by being moved to March.

My biggest concern, being from Columbus, Ohio, is will there be an impact to the Memorial.   The Memorial, while not a Major and not the Players is right there on that next tier.  It's a field which traditionally gets the best of the best because it's Jack's event, its at a pristine facility, and it's two weeks before the US Open.  With the PGA Champ now right before the Memorial, will the elite players still show up?  Or will they sit it out as it's a solid time for a break between majors now?

I'm so curious as to who skips the next Olympics secondary to getting caught doping....  U will never change my mind as to why so many top player skipped the first one....

I think that certainly played a role.  I think there were other reasons and I don't think any of them were positive.  Doping, not playing for money, don't care about the Olympics as they add nothing to a tour player's career resume (from a perspective of what they actually care about), too big of a hassle for too little of a payoff, etc.

I don't think moving these tournaments will help with players skipping the Olympics, but, I do think it creates some more opportunity to ramp up the FedEx Cup Playoffs and have guys not be so worn out entering the Ryder Cup/President's Cup.   That could in turn give some of the wrap around events a little better field.

The Olympics was shoved down the golfers throats by the media, constantly asking what it meant to them.  Many of them lied at first, but when the excuses started snowballing they all just hopped on.

Why on earth would they care about the Olympics for golf?  They'd never watched it, never grown up dreaming of it, etc.  The media tried to play it up as a major, and it was annoying.

I don't think there was a major "dodge the doping" thing going on, but who knows.  But given where it fell in the schedule, I'm sure a lot of guys were just as happy not to play.  Not to mention, you're playing on a brand new course which has zero history and will likely never host anything again.  How is that supposed to stack up to Augusta National?


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:00 PM

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View Postjerebear21, on 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

but the players didn't have the heavy push on it as being a major with the prize money and such until after the move to may. now with the wall-to-wall coverage on golf channel it now has a higher place on the pecking order.

if the tour had it their way, the players would be the unofficial start to the golf season, not the masters. with the move to march it makes that a little more likely. it comes down to a simple power struggle.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:03 PM

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I think that certainly played a role.  I think there were other reasons and I don't think any of them were positive.  Doping, not playing for money, don't care about the Olympics as they add nothing to a tour player's career resume (from a perspective of what they actually care about), too big of a hassle for too little of a payoff, etc.

I don't think moving these tournaments will help with players skipping the Olympics, but, I do think it creates some more opportunity to ramp up the FedEx Cup Playoffs and have guys not be so worn out entering the Ryder Cup/President's Cup.   That could in turn give some of the wrap around events a little better field.

I dunno, man.  Only one man alive has an Olympic gold medal in golf.  I would think that was pretty special, if I was Justin Rose.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:10 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 15 May 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

It's amazing the Olympics is having this impact on majors

The move of the PGA and TPC has more to do with pushing the Fed Ex Playoffs into August to avoid football than the Olympics.

I'm  more used to the idea of the TPC being in March than May.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:14 PM

View PostVindog, on 15 May 2018 - 05:00 PM, said:

View Postputtfordoux, on 15 May 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

View Postjerebear21, on 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

but the players didn't have the heavy push on it as being a major with the prize money and such until after the move to may. now with the wall-to-wall coverage on golf channel it now has a higher place on the pecking order.

if the tour had it their way, the players would be the unofficial start to the golf season, not the masters. with the move to march it makes that a little more likely. it comes down to a simple power struggle.

Oh yes it did

The Tour has been on that push since the tournament was founded. Jack was upset with it, because it was getting in the way of The Memorial being the fifth major.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:17 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 15 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Moving it back is kind of a necessary evil.  Right now, with the PGA Champ being in August, the FedEx Cup Playoffs being after that, the Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup being after that... then mixing in the Olympics... And then there's the fact that the tour now has a wrap around schedule.  things are too jammed up at the end of the year.  The elite players want to take breaks and need to take breaks.  The schedule is jam packed in the back half of the year and it leads to elite players skipping events like the Olympics and possibly even the presidents cup.

The tour wants events like the FedEx Cup Playoffs, the President's Cup and even the Olympics (even though they aren't really part of the Olympics) to have increased importance for the global growth of the game.  By moving the PGA Championship up, it allows players to take a break in the summer which could/should increase participation and interest level in the exhibition events.  It also allows them to try and make the FedEx Cup Playoffs more of a marquee event.

The Tour has been trying to push this wrap around season for a while now and let's face it, it hasn't worked.  Casual golf fans, and even serious golf fans, don't care.  The first marquee event is in mid April.  That leaves a solid 5-6 months of a season which fans don't care about.  A big part of the problem with the wrap around schedule is the quality of events.  There are none right now.  By moving the Players to March it adds a standalone marquee event earlier in the season.  Even though it's just a few weeks prior to the Masters, it still starts fans' interest in golf earlier in the year.

The Players is an established event.  It's a marquee event.  It won't lose any lust by being moved to March.

My biggest concern, being from Columbus, Ohio, is will there be an impact to the Memorial.   The Memorial, while not a Major and not the Players is right there on that next tier.  It's a field which traditionally gets the best of the best because it's Jack's event, its at a pristine facility, and it's two weeks before the US Open.  With the PGA Champ now right before the Memorial, will the elite players still show up?  Or will they sit it out as it's a solid time for a break between majors now?

We'll have to see the schedule first, but there should be two weeks between The Memorial and the PGA. The PGA will be in this week next year with the Byron Nelson before it and the Colonial after it.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:18 PM

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View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.

are you for sure 100 percent positive that Jeff and the rest of the staff will overseed greens? It is not uncommon, in fact i would almost say typically most courses, do not overseed their greens. If they don't, it could actually become harder to hold greens. You'll have a firm compacted surface, with zero growth and friction on it, and the potentially for wickedly dense long seed around the greens. The last time The Players was held in March, the greens were not TifEagle Bermuda (Miniverde???).

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:34 PM

View PostDarth Putter, on 15 May 2018 - 05:14 PM, said:

View PostVindog, on 15 May 2018 - 05:00 PM, said:

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View Postjerebear21, on 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

but the players didn't have the heavy push on it as being a major with the prize money and such until after the move to may. now with the wall-to-wall coverage on golf channel it now has a higher place on the pecking order.

if the tour had it their way, the players would be the unofficial start to the golf season, not the masters. with the move to march it makes that a little more likely. it comes down to a simple power struggle.

Oh yes it did

The Tour has been on that push since the tournament was founded. Jack was upset with it, because it was getting in the way of The Memorial being the fifth major.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:35 PM

View PostBNGL, on 15 May 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.

are you for sure 100 percent positive that Jeff and the rest of the staff will overseed greens? It is not uncommon, in fact i would almost say typically most courses, do not overseed their greens. If they don't, it could actually become harder to hold greens. You'll have a firm compacted surface, with zero growth and friction on it, and the potentially for wickedly dense long seed around the greens. The last time The Players was held in March, the greens were not TifEagle Bermuda (Miniverde???).

I guess I am not 100% sure they would overseed.  I can't ever say what the future holds with 100% certainty obviously.

But, to quote Jared Rice: "Plus, the positive with bringing in the overseeded grass is that it will give us a brilliant emerald look, which will really be a nice touch."





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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:45 PM

I don't know how it'll play out, but my current view is that it should stay in May.  I really like the current run up to Augusta and a bigger event just weeks prior might have a negative effect on that "buildup" amongst the general public.  On the other side, I believe this move will greatly strengthen the fields of the Byron Nelson and Memorial tournaments in coming years.
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#45 mosesgolf

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:18 PM

Moving the Masters to December would still make it the Masters.  Same goes for the Players.  It's just going back to where it belongs and moving the PGA to May is a great move imo.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:21 PM

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

View PostBNGL, on 15 May 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.

are you for sure 100 percent positive that Jeff and the rest of the staff will overseed greens? It is not uncommon, in fact i would almost say typically most courses, do not overseed their greens. If they don't, it could actually become harder to hold greens. You'll have a firm compacted surface, with zero growth and friction on it, and the potentially for wickedly dense long seed around the greens. The last time The Players was held in March, the greens were not TifEagle Bermuda (Miniverde???).

I guess I am not 100% sure they would overseed.  I can't ever say what the future holds with 100% certainty obviously.

But, to quote Jared Rice: "Plus, the positive with bringing in the overseeded grass is that it will give us a brilliant emerald look, which will really be a nice touch."

Don't feel too bad...no one can. Jared is a hell of a salesmen, and I will bet my house they will overseed the course, just not the greens. Maybe they will and Ill look like a dope, which is fine. But man, if they don't and N Florida sees a cold few weeks leading up to the tournament, and the wind gusts, it'll be nearly impossible to play.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 07:40 PM

I don't really care too much about The Players moving (but they had a "good" reason for moving it the first time, right?), but moving the PGA and condensing the major season from the end of The Masters to the beginning of The Open to sometimes just under 3 months is a terrible idea, and the justification for it is even worse.  All about the artificial Fed Ex Cup "playoffs"/silly arguments about football and making room for the Olympics - bunch of nonsense.

This crap all started with the wrap around and apparently that wasn't good enough to stoke the fires/help out the big "playoffs".  But it did close the shop a bit by getting rid of traditional Q School and appeasing a few sponsors.  

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:02 PM

LOL....baffling so many think a tournament will fall apart if its played 60 days earlier.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:25 PM

View PostKrazyTrain18, on 15 May 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

On the other side, I believe this move will greatly strengthen the fields of the Byron Nelson and Memorial tournaments in coming years.
The Memorial is an invitational that only has 120 players. It has it's own set of criteria for invitation. They have good fields every year.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:27 PM

i'll watch it regardless of when it's played ... decent chance the weather is more turbulent in march than in may, making it a more difficult test ... high score is -5, and the list of winners is very decent ... lots of major winners and double digit tour winners ...


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:29 PM

View Posttiderider, on 15 May 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

i'll watch it regardless of when it's played ... decent chance the weather is more turbulent in march than in may, making it a more difficult test ... high score is -5, and the list of winners is very decent ... lots of major winners and double digit tour winners ...
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:31 PM

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.
It hasn't always been played at the end of the traditional golf season. It's been played in February (1971). When the PGA was match play it was played all over the calendar. During early 1960's it was played the week following the Open Championship in July multiple times. Didn't move to August until the late 1960's. So were all of those not relevant?

Relevant, at least I think, in that they were examples of dates that didn't work out?

View Postray9898, on 15 May 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

LOL....baffling so many think a tournament will fall apart if its played 60 days earlier.

Don't think the tournament will fall apart, but do think it will hurt golf in the long run.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:47 PM

Temperatures in Ponte Vedra Beach are just fine in March.  The real difference between May and March is the wind.  In fact, with all the swirling winds created by the increasing number of grandstands around the 17th, there are going to be some days when that hole is going to become unplayable.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:00 PM

View PostVindog, on 15 May 2018 - 05:00 PM, said:

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View Postjerebear21, on 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

but the players didn't have the heavy push on it as being a major with the prize money and such until after the move to may. now with the wall-to-wall coverage on golf channel it now has a higher place on the pecking order.

if the tour had it their way, the players would be the unofficial start to the golf season, not the masters. with the move to march it makes that a little more likely. it comes down to a simple power struggle.

Oh yes it did

first place money and total prize money went up in consecutive years (to almost 20% higher) after the move to may, having stayed the same the prior three years.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:43 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 15 May 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.
It hasn't always been played at the end of the traditional golf season. It's been played in February (1971). When the PGA was match play it was played all over the calendar. During early 1960's it was played the week following the Open Championship in July multiple times. Didn't move to August until the late 1960's. So were all of those not relevant?

Relevant, at least I think, in that they were examples of dates that didn't work out?
Since the PGA is a major it will remain relevant regardless of the date played. Is the PGA that Jack Nicklaus in 1971 that was played in Florida in February less relevant than the one he won in 1963 in July or less relevant than the one he won in August in 1973? No. They aren't. They still count the same in spite of when it was played.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:49 PM

Personally, I would like to see it go away, but then I also want the Canadian Open to become a major.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:54 PM

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 09:43 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 15 May 2018 - 08:31 PM, said:

View Postgrm24, on 15 May 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.
It hasn't always been played at the end of the traditional golf season. It's been played in February (1971). When the PGA was match play it was played all over the calendar. During early 1960's it was played the week following the Open Championship in July multiple times. Didn't move to August until the late 1960's. So were all of those not relevant?

Relevant, at least I think, in that they were examples of dates that didn't work out?
Since the PGA is a major it will remain relevant regardless of the date played. Is the PGA that Jack Nicklaus in 1971 that was played in Florida in February less relevant than the one he won in 1963 in July or less relevant than the one he won in August in 1973? No. They aren't. They still count the same in spite of when it was played.

It won't be irrelevant but IMO having the last major of the year played in the middle of July isn't great.

What's the reasoning? FedEx Cup? FedEx Cup sucks.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:59 PM

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 09:54 PM, said:

It won't be irrelevant but IMO having the last major of the year played in the middle of July isn't great.
It used to be like that. For many years the PGA as the final major was played in July. Sometimes one week after the Open Championship and sometimes two weeks after. The game survived and didn't suffer.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:11 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 15 May 2018 - 09:49 PM, said:

Personally, I would like to see it go away, but then I also want the Canadian Open to become a major.

Hey, no letting guys pad their major totals at Jack's expense (but he had a ton of seconds). Bob Murphy gets a major? Okay, I like that.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:13 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 15 May 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

View PostMadGolfer76, on 15 May 2018 - 09:49 PM, said:

Personally, I would like to see it go away, but then I also want the Canadian Open to become a major.

Hey, no letting guys pad their major totals at Jack's expense (but he had a ton of seconds). Bob Murphy gets a major? Okay, I like that.

Ha. The new guys still won't come anywhere close.

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