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Anyone else feel like moving the Players Championship to March is a poor decision

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#1 lawst4days

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 01:56 PM

I won’t have an opinion until it happens.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:00 PM

Given the other stuff being rearranged for the Olympics, March seems like the best option available.  I agree with Vindog on the wait and see what actually happens.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:09 PM

Hard due to thoughtful, strategic design is one thing. Hard due to chicanery is another.

Seems like the tour pros love the former (e.g., Augusta), and can't stand the latter (e.g., Sawgrass).
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:12 PM

Historically the unofficial start to the pro golf season, at least for the casual fan, is the Masters in April. I don't care if the Players is considered a major, becomes a major, etc., I highly doubt its going to get those casual fans excited like the Masters does. For a sport that relies so much on tradition, this decision to move the Players back to March,in front of the Masters, in my opinion, seems counterintuitive.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

only thing I'll miss is the sun dresses for days. It can be brutally cold in march; 50s/60s cold if you know what I mean.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:20 PM

it was in March before, then Greg Norman said the Players is a good tune up for Augusta.  That's part of the reason they moved it

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:21 PM

don't worry they will trick out the course. over seeding can wait. Lets Do This !



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:29 PM

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

Agree with this....  I think the new line up will be solid and Players will likely play a little harder due to conditions.  But those sun dresses need to be mandatory?!?!
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:32 PM

Moving it back is kind of a necessary evil.  Right now, with the PGA Champ being in August, the FedEx Cup Playoffs being after that, the Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup being after that... then mixing in the Olympics... And then there's the fact that the tour now has a wrap around schedule.  things are too jammed up at the end of the year.  The elite players want to take breaks and need to take breaks.  The schedule is jam packed in the back half of the year and it leads to elite players skipping events like the Olympics and possibly even the presidents cup.

The tour wants events like the FedEx Cup Playoffs, the President's Cup and even the Olympics (even though they aren't really part of the Olympics) to have increased importance for the global growth of the game.  By moving the PGA Championship up, it allows players to take a break in the summer which could/should increase participation and interest level in the exhibition events.  It also allows them to try and make the FedEx Cup Playoffs more of a marquee event.

The Tour has been trying to push this wrap around season for a while now and let's face it, it hasn't worked.  Casual golf fans, and even serious golf fans, don't care.  The first marquee event is in mid April.  That leaves a solid 5-6 months of a season which fans don't care about.  A big part of the problem with the wrap around schedule is the quality of events.  There are none right now.  By moving the Players to March it adds a standalone marquee event earlier in the season.  Even though it's just a few weeks prior to the Masters, it still starts fans' interest in golf earlier in the year.

The Players is an established event.  It's a marquee event.  It won't lose any lust by being moved to March.

My biggest concern, being from Columbus, Ohio, is will there be an impact to the Memorial.   The Memorial, while not a Major and not the Players is right there on that next tier.  It's a field which traditionally gets the best of the best because it's Jack's event, its at a pristine facility, and it's two weeks before the US Open.  With the PGA Champ now right before the Memorial, will the elite players still show up?  Or will they sit it out as it's a solid time for a break between majors now?
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:35 PM

Do some of you guys really not remember The Players Championship in March?  It feels like it was only a few years ago it was held in March (actually 11 years, 2007).  Honestly, it doesn't feel right having it in May.  I'm glad to see it going back to it's rightful place on the calendar.  It was always a great tournament in March, not that it wasn't in May.

Now if you want to make it difficult, go back to Sawgrass Country Club.  Jack couldn't even break par there.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:47 PM

Tournament was much harder in March - heavier rough, more chance for severe wind/weather, different (faster) grass on greens - only 2 course records when in March. Course records abound since moved to May - much easier due to lack of rough, less chances of severe weather/wind, warmer temps.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:53 PM

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:54 PM

I think moving it back to March will be fine.  It will still be a good tournament to watch.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:55 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 15 May 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

Moving it back is kind of a necessary evil.  Right now, with the PGA Champ being in August, the FedEx Cup Playoffs being after that, the Ryder Cup/Presidents Cup being after that... then mixing in the Olympics... And then there's the fact that the tour now has a wrap around schedule.  things are too jammed up at the end of the year.  The elite players want to take breaks and need to take breaks.  The schedule is jam packed in the back half of the year and it leads to elite players skipping events like the Olympics and possibly even the presidents cup.

The tour wants events like the FedEx Cup Playoffs, the President's Cup and even the Olympics (even though they aren't really part of the Olympics) to have increased importance for the global growth of the game.  By moving the PGA Championship up, it allows players to take a break in the summer which could/should increase participation and interest level in the exhibition events.  It also allows them to try and make the FedEx Cup Playoffs more of a marquee event.

The Tour has been trying to push this wrap around season for a while now and let's face it, it hasn't worked.  Casual golf fans, and even serious golf fans, don't care.  The first marquee event is in mid April.  That leaves a solid 5-6 months of a season which fans don't care about.  A big part of the problem with the wrap around schedule is the quality of events.  There are none right now.  By moving the Players to March it adds a standalone marquee event earlier in the season.  Even though it's just a few weeks prior to the Masters, it still starts fans' interest in golf earlier in the year.

The Players is an established event.  It's a marquee event.  It won't lose any lust by being moved to March.

My biggest concern, being from Columbus, Ohio, is will there be an impact to the Memorial.   The Memorial, while not a Major and not the Players is right there on that next tier.  It's a field which traditionally gets the best of the best because it's Jack's event, its at a pristine facility, and it's two weeks before the US Open.  With the PGA Champ now right before the Memorial, will the elite players still show up?  Or will they sit it out as it's a solid time for a break between majors now?

I'm so curious as to who skips the next Olympics secondary to getting caught doping....  U will never change my mind as to why so many top player skipped the first one....

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:01 PM

It's amazing the Olympics is having this impact on majors
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:03 PM

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:08 PM

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

View PostJaNelson38, on 15 May 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

View Postlawst4days, on 15 May 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

This might not be a popular opinion, I am not sure.

I cannot speak to moving the majors around in order to make room for the Olympics. I don't honestly think the Olympics will overtake the majors in "importance" anyway just from a purely fiscal perspective.

Scheduling of other tournaments aside, moving the Players to March, I believe, is a terrible idea for the tournament.

The tour players keep saying "The course wasn't made to be played in May, it plays too fast and hard.

I believe what makes a tournament memorable from a fans perspective, is how hard it plays. It is fun television to watch the best players in golf struggle.  I don't personally remember the last tournament a player broke a scoring record.  I do however remember, Ernie Ells horrible putting at last year's Masters, Kevin Na's Instagram post at Erin Hills about the crazy rough, all of Phill's crazy scramble shots.

It is fun to watch a Ferrari race another Ferrari. Or a tour player go up against a course that matches their amazing skill with treatury.

The Players now has the second largest purse on the schedule now, so I understand why tour players get upset when it plays difficult. But if you want the big money you have to be the best on the most difficult course when the conditions are difficult.

For this reason,I beleive moving the Players to March, when the course will be dramatically easier due to over seeding, is the worst possible idea for the tournament.

The Players was played in March from its inception to 2007.  The main reason it was moved was because the PGA Tour was getting tired of weak fields in many events from the Masters until the US Open in June.  Now with the PGA Championship moving to May, it allows the Players to go back to March where it belongs.

March is basically smack dab in the middle of peak season of golf in Florida....as evidenced by the Florida Swing on the PGA Tour each year.  To think the course will be easier because of "over seeding" is ridiculous.  TPC Sawgrass is like a lot of Florida courses - its dependent on the wind for its defense, because there is very little elevation changes.  The only reason the scoring was so good this year is because the wind laid down literally all weekend.  Typically, the winning score at The Players is somewhere between -12 and -15.  The cut last year was +2.

I honestly believe that over seeding 100% will make to tpc sawgrass easier. And would be willing to listen to why you would think otherwise.

The greens are what gives this course it's teeth. And what introduces the risk/ reward relationship of tee shot to approach. You don't have to go long, but you definitely have to miss in the right area. You make it easier to hold greens and you take the teeth away. Which is what you get with overseeded greens.

It will hands down make the course easier. If you look at the difference between the majors and the other tournaments, it is primarily the difficulty of the greens and the rough. You just cannot rely on wind in the US.  I say we keep it in May, make the rough more penal, make the greens ridiculous and watch some players 5 putt. Sorry players, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If it was easy, everyone would be making 1.9 mil a tourney.

the wind makes Florida courses hard, period.

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#21 Ashley Schaeffer

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:09 PM

Maybe we will see the PGA in the southwest as a result of the move.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:17 PM

I'm not playing,so I don't care.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:18 PM

View Postjerebear21, on 15 May 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

except the players were played in march before it was played in may so just toss that mindset of golf season begins with the masters

but the players didn't have the heavy push on it as being a major with the prize money and such until after the move to may. now with the wall-to-wall coverage on golf channel it now has a higher place on the pecking order.

if the tour had it their way, the players would be the unofficial start to the golf season, not the masters. with the move to march it makes that a little more likely. it comes down to a simple power struggle.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:20 PM

play it in January ..maybe they wouldnt eat the course up as they did this year
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:24 PM

let's be honest here, it's media driven. players don't think it's a major.  It's not a major. Repeat.  It's not a major.  

Golf season for amateur begins with the masters since the weather begins to warm up so folks can go out and play golf.

The majors begin with Augusta.  Golf season begins with Torrey. IMHO. The players moving to march won't change that.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:31 PM

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:33 PM

ehh, I don't mind, I had been thinking of traveling sometime but never have because the weather is so nice where I'm at in May.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:20 PM

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

View Postjohnnypro, on 15 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

No more of a poor decision than to move the PGA to May.

Wait until they get some lovely mid-May weather on Long Island next year.....cloudy, breezy, temps in  the low 60's.

That was the foolish decision.  The PGA Championship was important because it came at the end of the traditional golf season - just before fall and football.  Now it won't be relevant.

Why wont it be relevant?  Its still a major championship.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:27 PM

Move it back late and make it part of the FexEx playoffs ;)

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 04:38 PM

More wind, cooler weather.....won't be easier.

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