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#31 Johnnypenso

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:01 PM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 14 May 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

I think Steve Stricker is my favorite player on tour, so I took note during the Players coverage when Johnny Miller said that Bernhard Langer is currently #1 and Stricker was #2 (or might be the second best). Yes, Langer has dominated the Sr Circuit in recent years, but I think Stricker is a better player currently. Consider:

Major Record since Stricker turned 50:
Langer- cut at 2017 Masters, t38 this year. Did not play the other events.
Stricker- t16, t16, t37 & t54 in the four majors in 2017 which included winning the US Open qualifier. Not invited to 2018 Masters.

Stricker holds a: 6-1-1 edge over Langer head to head since Stricker turned 50 last year-
2017 Tuscon: Stricker 2nd, Langer 3rd
2017 MS Gulf: both t3
2017 Masters: Stricker t16, Langer Cut,
2017 Regions: Langer Win, Stricker t13
2017 3 M: Stricker t3, Langer t13
2018 Chubb: Stricker t2, Langer t36,
2018 Cologard: Stricker Win, Langer t54,
2018 Rapiscan: Stricer Win, Langer t9,


Stricker has more wins in fewer 2018 Champions Tour (individual events) than Langer:
Langer: 8 events played, 1 Win, 2nd, t2, t9, t16, t36, t54, 58th
Stricker: 3 events, 2 Wins, t2


2018 PGA Tour:
Langer has not played
Stricker: 6 Events, 4 top 31 finishes, 2 missed cuts

Yes, Langer has had a better Sr Career overall than Stricker, but Stricker has shown that he is better than Langer when they both tee it up and has also shown that he can still compete on the regular tour.

Stricker's major record in his 40s (2007-2016) is also quite impressive compared to Langer (1998-2007) or most other players.
Stricker: 34 Majors played, 7 top 10s, 20 top 25s, 3 missed cuts (0 missed cuts in 26 majors since turning 43!)
Langer: 32 Majors played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 10 missed cuts (t8 at 2014 Masters as a 56 year old!)
Phil Mickelson: 27 Majors played, 1 Win, 7 top 10s, 12 top 25s, 6 missed cuts since turning 40 in June 2010
Vijay Singh: 38 Majors Played, 1 Win, 11 top 10s, 17 top 25s, 8 missed cuts from 2003-2012
Davis Love III: 34 Majors Played, 6 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 16 missed cuts from 2004-2013
Kenny Perry: 29 Majors Played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 6 missed cuts from Aug 2000-Aug 2010
Jack Nicklaus: 40 Majors Played, 3 Wins, 13 Top 10s, 24 top 25s, 4 missed cuts & 1 WD from 1980-1989
Tom Watson: 39 Majors Played, 8 top 10s, 15 top 25s, 14 missed cuts from 1990-1999

Of all the guys listed, Stricker has the best cuts made % of anyone and is 2nd only to Nicklaus in top 25 %


I doubt Stricker will play as heavy a Sr schedule as Langer (218 events the last 10+ years), but I think he could really dominate out there if that was his sole focus.
Only 29 golfers have won more majors in their entire careers than Nicklaus won just in his 40's.  Still amazing.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:03 PM

View PostIcemanYVR, on 14 May 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

Best ever, Hale Irwin. Stricks has a LONG way to go.

His record after 50, is one of the most impressive things in golf history.  It's mind boggeling how often he won against very good competition in his age bracket.....and he was still winning after the age of 60 against accomplished players in their early 50's.

The fact that Langer is even remotely close, is extremely impressive.  Hale's record out there is the one I thought would never come close to being matched.

To me, the most impressive players after 50 for a long period of time... in this order

1.  Hale Irwin
2.  Bernhard Langer
3.  Same Snead
4.  Tom Watson
5.  Lee Trevino

The fact that Watson had a chance to win the regular British Open on the last hole, at the age of 58/59, pushed him up to #4

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 02:37 AM

View PostCwebb, on 16 May 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

View PostIcemanYVR, on 14 May 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

Best ever, Hale Irwin. Stricks has a LONG way to go.

His record after 50, is one of the most impressive things in golf history.  It's mind boggeling how often he won against very good competition in his age bracket.....and he was still winning after the age of 60 against accomplished players in their early 50's.

The fact that Langer is even remotely close, is extremely impressive.  Hale's record out there is the one I thought would never come close to being matched.

To me, the most impressive players after 50 for a long period of time... in this order

1.  Hale Irwin
2.  Bernhard Langer
3.  Same Snead
4.  Tom Watson
5.  Lee Trevino

The fact that Watson had a chance to win the regular British Open on the last hole, at the age of 58/59, pushed him up to #4

I don't care what a golfer does on the Sr. Tour (outside of majors), I compare how good he was being relative to the PGA Tour events.  Nicklaus isn't on your list?  Are you serious?

1. Nicklaus admittedly didn't embrace the Sr. Tour and played the Sr. Majors, although he won quite a few majors on the Sr. Tour basically part time.
2. He played in a record and NEVER to be broken, 154 consecutive majors!  All the way up to he was 58 years of age.

Here is his record in majors for just his age 50-60 on the PGA Tour.  Notice his masters record in his 50's was 9 events, 8 cuts made, 2 top 10's!  US Open was 10 events, 6 cuts made. Briish was 8 events and 5 cuts made.  PGA was not noteworthy.

masters/ us open/ British/ PGA 1990 6 33 tie 63 tie M/C 1991 35 tie 46 tie 44 tie 23 tie 1992 42 tie M/C M/C M/C 1993 27 tie 72 tie M/C M/C 1994 M/C 28 tie M/C M/C 1995 35 tie M/C 79 tie 67 tie 1996 41 tie 27 tie 44 tie M/C 1997 39 tie 52 tie 60 M/C 1998 6 tie 43 tie – – 1999 – M/C – – 2000 54 tie M/C M/C M/C

Now look at his 50-60 year old record on the Sr. PGA Tour Year Tour
Appearances
Scoring
Averages
Tour
Winnings
1990 4 68.60 $350,000 1991 5 69.79 $343,734 1992 4 (5) 71.00 $114,547 1993 6 (7) 71.00 $206,028 1994 6 (8) 70.35 $239,278 1995 7 (11) 69.68 $538,800 1996 7 (10) 70.92 $360,861 1997 6 (8) 71.41 $239,932 1998 6 (7) 71.64 $205,723 1999 3 71.63 $19,673 2000 7 71.84 $166,422

His top 3's Year Tour
Victories
2nd Place
Finishes
3rd Place
Finishes
1990 2 1 1 1991 3 0 0 1992 0 1 1 1993 1 0 0 1994 1 0 0 1995 1 2 1 1996 2 1 0 1997 0 1 0 1998 0 0 0 1999 0 0 0 2000 0 0 0

Here are Nicklaus' wins in Champions Tour majors, which Langer now has:
  • 1990 Tradition
  • 1990 Senior Players Championship
  • 1991 Tradition
  • 1991 Senior PGA Championship
  • 1991 U.S. Senior Open
  • 1993 U.S. Senior Open
  • 1995 Tradition
  • 1996 Tradition
Jack never focused or played more than 7 events in any one year on the Sr. Tour with 4 or 5 each year being the Sr. Majors.  He was playing all 4 majors on the regular tour, the sr. tour majors and the Memorial every year.  His schedule was not focused on the cash machine that Bernard Langer focuses on.  He is dominating aging golfers 50 plus because he has stayed in great shape and I give him a ton of credit for doing so.  However Nicklaus IMO was the best 50 plus golfer ever.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 04:38 AM

View Postelwhippy, on 14 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Langer. No contest. And already mentioned Hale Irwin. One of the most underrated players of all time. Three US Opens and barely gets a mention.

I canít take Langer seriously with that anchored putter. We have a guy at our club who has the same claims of ďnot anchoringĒ and uses Langer as his example for why itís not illegal. The guy wins everything.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 04:52 AM

Is Stricker the highest ranked 50+ year old on the OWGR?

Who is 2nd?


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:16 AM

You have to wonder how good some players would be if they played Senior Tour all the time.

Greg Norman barely plays competitive golf, then leads The Open after 54 holes in 2008. Nowhere near as impressive, but Faldo played in the South African Open last year, first tournament in 2 years, and shoots 70 in Round 1, misses the cut by 1, a few months before he is 60. If those guys were bothered in their 50s, they could have put up serious records in their 50s I'm sure.

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 05:36 AM

Here is Nicklaus's record on the Sr. PGA Tour.  Keep in mind the guy was playing all 4 majors on the regular tour as well with a stellar record for being in his 50's.

1990 - 4 events played (all Sr. Majors) 2 -1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 4 top 10's, 4 top 25's
1991 - 5 events played ( 4 were Sr. Majors) 3-1st / 4 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1992 - 4 events played (3 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 3 top 10's, 3 top 25's
1993 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1994 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 5 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1995 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st, 2-2nd, 1-3rd / 7 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1996 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2-1st / 3 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1997 - 6 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd / 3 top 10's, 6 top 25's
1998 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 0- 1st /  3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1999 - 3 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 25's
2000 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1 top 10, 5 top 25's
2001 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 4 top 25's
2002 - 2 events played (2 were Sr. Majors) no top 25's
2003 - 9 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 6 top 25's
2004 - 4 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 10, 2 top 25's
2005 - 1 event played (no majors) no top 25's

So his total is 84 events played (only missed 3 cuts)
10 wins
5 - 2nd
3 - 3rd
41 - top 10's
65 - top 25's

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:24 AM

View PostiBanesto, on 19 May 2018 - 04:52 AM, said:

Is Stricker the highest ranked 50+ year old on the OWGR?

Who is 2nd?

I would guess Vijay Singh, since he still plays some regular events

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:45 AM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 14 May 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Isn't Bernhard several years older?

The age difference plays against Stricker.

I think the post is about players at present, not historically. Otherwise Hale Irwin would be unbeatable.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 03:25 AM

It would be really rewarding to see a golfer in their fifties win a major or PGA Tour event.  There are not too many Sam Snead's or Tom Watson's around who can come close to a victory in a major.  Davis Love and Fred Funk won relatively recently on the PGA Tour.  What's interesting is the combination of fitness, proficiency, and mental intensity required for victories like these.  It's a real achievement that merits a lot of respect.

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 04:01 AM

View Postelwhippy, on 14 May 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Langer. No contest. And already mentioned Hale Irwin. One of the most underrated players of all time. Three US Opens and barely gets a mention.

I think sometimes athletes are underrated when they are perceived to be as*wipes? I don't know him but have followed him a couple of times on the course.  He also grew up in my area and I have heard a few comments about him. The man could play some golf but did not always score high in the congeniality department!  He may be the greatest family man on earth but he was just a tad grumpy on the course at times :-)

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 04:21 AM

View PostBig Cat 3, on 16 May 2018 - 09:19 PM, said:

View PostBeerPerHole, on 16 May 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 15 May 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

After 50 I would like to play like Langer and live like Miguel Angel.
LOL - yes. I do marvel at Langer's game. He came to our club recently when the Champions was in town. Some of the guys I play with were there and said he was basically the fittest guy in a crowded room, chiseled.
They are right Langer has like a 30 inch waste ... acquired great genetics from his war hero dad that escaped Russian captivity during WW2

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 05:20 AM

In the meanwhile MAJ...

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Posted 21 May 2018 - 09:02 AM

View PostiBanesto, on 19 May 2018 - 04:52 AM, said:

Is Stricker the highest ranked 50+ year old on the OWGR?

Who is 2nd?
OWGR doesn't count Sr Events, so it is not a perfect meassure. Not sure of a way to sort by age, but here are some of this weeks rankings (with # of counting events in parenthesis):

Stricker #136 (25)
Vijay #546 (35)
Jerry Kelly #652 (18)
Fred Couples #745 (2)
DL 3 #812 (24)
Langer #1064 (3)
John Daly #1233 (12)
Bob Estes #1235 (20)
David Toms #1822 (11)
Rocco Mediate #1933 (2)
Steve Flesch #1995 (6)
Jimenez #1995 (4)
Gene Sauers #1995 (1)
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Posted 22 May 2018 - 11:27 AM

Between Stricker, Jimenez and maybe Vijah.  MAJ keeps winning even with his horrible looking swing lack of distance on both tours too.  Stricker is still competitive on both tours as well. Vijah was but is loosing his grip on the PGA Tour now that he's a few years beyond 50, but was very good over the past decade.  Nice to see that we can all keep playing at a higher level even past 50 (and I'm past by a few years unfortunately).


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:12 AM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 14 May 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

I think Steve Stricker is my favorite player on tour, so I took note during the Players coverage when Johnny Miller said that Bernhard Langer is currently #1 and Stricker was #2 (or might be the second best). Yes, Langer has dominated the Sr Circuit in recent years, but I think Stricker is a better player currently. Consider:

Major Record since Stricker turned 50:
Langer- cut at 2017 Masters, t38 this year. Did not play the other events.
Stricker- t16, t16, t37 & t54 in the four majors in 2017 which included winning the US Open qualifier. Not invited to 2018 Masters.

Stricker holds a: 6-1-1 edge over Langer head to head since Stricker turned 50 last year-
2017 Tuscon: Stricker 2nd, Langer 3rd
2017 MS Gulf: both t3
2017 Masters: Stricker t16, Langer Cut,
2017 Regions: Langer Win, Stricker t13
2017 3 M: Stricker t3, Langer t13
2018 Chubb: Stricker t2, Langer t36,
2018 Cologard: Stricker Win, Langer t54,
2018 Rapiscan: Stricer Win, Langer t9,


Stricker has more wins in fewer 2018 Champions Tour (individual events) than Langer:
Langer: 8 events played, 1 Win, 2nd, t2, t9, t16, t36, t54, 58th
Stricker: 3 events, 2 Wins, t2


2018 PGA Tour:
Langer has not played
Stricker: 6 Events, 4 top 31 finishes, 2 missed cuts

Yes, Langer has had a better Sr Career overall than Stricker, but Stricker has shown that he is better than Langer when they both tee it up and has also shown that he can still compete on the regular tour.

Stricker's major record in his 40s (2007-2016) is also quite impressive compared to Langer (1998-2007) or most other players.
Stricker: 34 Majors played, 7 top 10s, 20 top 25s, 3 missed cuts (0 missed cuts in 26 majors since turning 43!)
Langer: 32 Majors played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 10 missed cuts (t8 at 2014 Masters as a 56 year old!)
Phil Mickelson: 27 Majors played, 1 Win, 7 top 10s, 12 top 25s, 6 missed cuts since turning 40 in June 2010
Vijay Singh: 38 Majors Played, 1 Win, 11 top 10s, 17 top 25s, 8 missed cuts from 2003-2012
Davis Love III: 34 Majors Played, 6 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 16 missed cuts from 2004-2013
Kenny Perry: 29 Majors Played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 6 missed cuts from Aug 2000-Aug 2010
Jack Nicklaus: 40 Majors Played, 3 Wins, 13 Top 10s, 24 top 25s, 4 missed cuts & 1 WD from 1980-1989
Tom Watson: 39 Majors Played, 8 top 10s, 15 top 25s, 14 missed cuts from 1990-1999

Of all the guys listed, Stricker has the best cuts made % of anyone and is 2nd only to Nicklaus in top 25 %


I doubt Stricker will play as heavy a Sr schedule as Langer (218 events the last 10+ years), but I think he could really dominate out there if that was his sole focus.

What was Langer's record at Stricker's current age?

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:17 AM

View Postschley, on 19 May 2018 - 05:36 AM, said:

Here is Nicklaus's record on the Sr. PGA Tour.  Keep in mind the guy was playing all 4 majors on the regular tour as well with a stellar record for being in his 50's.

1990 - 4 events played (all Sr. Majors) 2 -1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 4 top 10's, 4 top 25's
1991 - 5 events played ( 4 were Sr. Majors) 3-1st / 4 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1992 - 4 events played (3 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 3 top 10's, 3 top 25's
1993 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1994 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 5 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1995 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st, 2-2nd, 1-3rd / 7 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1996 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2-1st / 3 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1997 - 6 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd / 3 top 10's, 6 top 25's
1998 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 0- 1st /  3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1999 - 3 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 25's
2000 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1 top 10, 5 top 25's
2001 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 4 top 25's
2002 - 2 events played (2 were Sr. Majors) no top 25's
2003 - 9 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 6 top 25's
2004 - 4 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 10, 2 top 25's
2005 - 1 event played (no majors) no top 25's

So his total is 84 events played (only missed 3 cuts)
10 wins
5 - 2nd
3 - 3rd
41 - top 10's
65 - top 25's


and he was playing against 6 humps working their 3rd heart attack each..

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:33 AM

View Postjimb6golf, on 22 May 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

Between Stricker, Jimenez and maybe Vijah.  MAJ keeps winning even with his horrible looking swing lack of distance on both tours too.  Stricker is still competitive on both tours as well. Vijah was but is loosing his grip on the PGA Tour now that he's a few years beyond 50, but was very good over the past decade.  Nice to see that we can all keep playing at a higher level even past 50 (and I'm past by a few years unfortunately).

I know multiple Major winners with horrible swings ;)

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

View PostOutlier, on 23 May 2018 - 05:17 AM, said:

View Postschley, on 19 May 2018 - 05:36 AM, said:

Here is Nicklaus's record on the Sr. PGA Tour.  Keep in mind the guy was playing all 4 majors on the regular tour as well with a stellar record for being in his 50's.

1990 - 4 events played (all Sr. Majors) 2 -1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 4 top 10's, 4 top 25's
1991 - 5 events played ( 4 were Sr. Majors) 3-1st / 4 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1992 - 4 events played (3 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd, 1-3rd / 3 top 10's, 3 top 25's
1993 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1994 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st / 5 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1995 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 1-1st, 2-2nd, 1-3rd / 7 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1996 - 7 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2-1st / 3 top 10's, 7 top 25's
1997 - 6 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 0-1st, 1-2nd / 3 top 10's, 6 top 25's
1998 - 6 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 0- 1st /  3 top 10's, 5 top 25's
1999 - 3 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 25's
2000 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 1 top 10, 5 top 25's
2001 - 7 events played (4 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 4 top 25's
2002 - 2 events played (2 were Sr. Majors) no top 25's
2003 - 9 events played (5 were Sr. Majors) 2 top 10's, 6 top 25's
2004 - 4 events played (1 was a Sr. Major) 1 top 10, 2 top 25's
2005 - 1 event played (no majors) no top 25's

So his total is 84 events played (only missed 3 cuts)
10 wins
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3 - 3rd
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65 - top 25's


and he was playing against 6 humps working their 3rd heart attack each..

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 08:53 AM

View PostBMC, on 14 May 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

View Postrafal, on 14 May 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Langer isn't even playing golf per se, so that disqualifies him.

Stricker knows how to put the ball in the hole.

Huh?  Langer finished 38th the 2018 Masters.  Sticker didn't qualify.

Even Larry Mize qualified. Sticker is way overrated.


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 10:20 AM

View PostOutlier, on 23 May 2018 - 05:12 AM, said:


What was Langer's record at Stricker's current age?
From 49 to 51, Langer missed the Cut at all 5 majors he played. Stricker made the cut at all 6 he played (including a 4th at the Open, 16th at Masters & US Open)
Stricker has played in 9 Sr Tour individual events- 2 wins, 3 seconds, 3 thirds & a 13th
Langers first 9 Sr Events- 2 wins, 1 third, 8th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 35th & 38th
From 2006 through 2008, Langer played 40 PGA Tour events: 1 2nd, 4 Top 10s, 14 Top 25s, 26 made cuts & 14 missed cuts
From 2016 through today,Stricker played 34 PGA Tour events- 1 2nd, 5 Top 10s, 13 Top 25s, 26 made cuts & 8 missed cuts

Similar top end performances, but more consistency and better Major play for Stricker.
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 10:46 AM

Steve Stricker can play both tours so he is the best at the moment.
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Posted 23 May 2018 - 02:16 PM

Stricker is a good pro golfer.  He is an excellent 50 plus golfer.  He has always been an outstanding wedge player and putter.  If he is hitting a lot of wedges he is going to make birdies pretty simply.  This is why long courses are now and will only continue to be his achilles heel for he doesn't have the length to hit wedges on 475 yard plus par 4's.  Definitely doens't  have the firepower to get home in 2 on 575 plus par 5's (without wind/downhill).

I appreciate him for what he is, but his record (nor is Langer's) record anywhere near the Golden Bear's in his 50's playing regular PGA Tour Majors.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:08 AM

View Postschley, on 23 May 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Stricker is a good pro golfer.  He is an excellent 50 plus golfer.  He has always been an outstanding wedge player and putter.  If he is hitting a lot of wedges he is going to make birdies pretty simply.  This is why long courses are now and will only continue to be his achilles heel for he doesn't have the length to hit wedges on 475 yard plus par 4's.  Definitely doens't  have the firepower to get home in 2 on 575 plus par 5's (without wind/downhill).

I appreciate him for what he is, but his record (nor is Langer's) record anywhere near the Golden Bear's in his 50's playing regular PGA Tour Majors.

The numbers don't back you up, at least comparing Jack and Stricker in their early 50s in regular PGA Tour & Majors.

Nicklaus had an outstanding record in majors from 40 to 47, but not as much after that .At 48+, Nicklaus only finished top 16 twice in 52 Majors played with two 6th place finishes at Augusta coming at age 50 & 58. He missed 23 cuts in those 52 starts. Since turning 48 Stricker has had a 4th at the Open and is 8 for 8 in made cuts, At age 50, Nicklaus finished 6th, t33, t63 & cut which seems pretty comparable to Stricker who finished t16, t16, t37 & t54. Yes, Nicklaus was better at the Masters, but Stricker was better at the other 3 (likely with deeper fields than Jack competed against).

On the regular tour at age 50 & 51, Jack played in 17 events with 2 top 10s, 5 top 25s and 3 missed cuts. Beyond that, his played trailed off further with more missed cuts. Stricker has played in 17 PGA Tour events since turning 50 with 2 top 10s, 7 top 25s and 4 missed cuts...again pretty comparable results (with the fields much deeper today IMO).  

While Jack in his early 50s was NOT better than Sticker in the majors and regular Tour, he does hold an edge in the Champions Tour winning 5 of the first 9 events he played. Stricker has only won 2 of 9 individual Champions Tour events.

Edited by SkiSchoolPro, 24 May 2018 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:34 PM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 24 May 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

View Postschley, on 23 May 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Stricker is a good pro golfer.  He is an excellent 50 plus golfer.  He has always been an outstanding wedge player and putter.  If he is hitting a lot of wedges he is going to make birdies pretty simply.  This is why long courses are now and will only continue to be his achilles heel for he doesn't have the length to hit wedges on 475 yard plus par 4's.  Definitely doens't  have the firepower to get home in 2 on 575 plus par 5's (without wind/downhill).

I appreciate him for what he is, but his record (nor is Langer's) record anywhere near the Golden Bear's in his 50's playing regular PGA Tour Majors.

The numbers don't back you up, at least comparing Jack and Stricker in their early 50s in regular PGA Tour & Majors.

Nicklaus had an outstanding record in majors from 40 to 47, but not as much after that .At 48+, Nicklaus only finished top 16 twice in 52 Majors played with two 6th place finishes at Augusta coming at age 50 & 58. He missed 23 cuts in those 52 starts. Since turning 48 Stricker has had a 4th at the Open and is 8 for 8 in made cuts, At age 50, Nicklaus finished 6th, t33, t63 & cut which seems pretty comparable to Stricker who finished t16, t16, t37 & t54. Yes, Nicklaus was better at the Masters, but Stricker was better at the other 3 (likely with deeper fields than Jack competed against).

On the regular tour at age 50 & 51, Jack played in 17 events with 2 top 10s, 5 top 25s and 3 missed cuts. Beyond that, his played trailed off further with more missed cuts. Stricker has played in 17 PGA Tour events since turning 50 with 2 top 10s, 7 top 25s and 4 missed cuts...again pretty comparable results (with the fields much deeper today IMO).  

While Jack in his early 50s was NOT better than Sticker in the majors and regular Tour, he does hold an edge in the Champions Tour winning 5 of the first 9 events he played. Stricker has only won 2 of 9 individual Champions Tour events.

I know Jackís stats because I am the one who looked them up and posted them above.  Jack didnít play regular PGA Tour events, other than the memorial in his 50ís, just like he barely played regular Senior Tour events that werenít majors.  Stricker isnít even 2 years into his Senior Tour career and you are saying because his age 50 year is better than Jackís age 50 year, because Stricker is still playing almost a full time schedule on the PGA Tour is a a huge reach.  Jack played part time in his late 40s and definitely did in his 50ís.  However when he did he played majors the overwhelming majority of the time. Neither of us have the data on Stricker to say he is better than Jack in his 50ís because he hasnít played enough yet.  His record right now is HELL NO, letís check back in 6-8 years and revisit this, but as of now the answer is no.

BTW you know Stricker has never even won a major, so cherry picking top 20 finishes in majors for Stricker 48 and beyond is funny.  I donít give a ratís a** what the players in their 50ís do on the regular senior tour events.  It is majors.... regular tour majors and senior tour majors.

Edited by schley, 24 May 2018 - 11:42 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:55 AM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 14 May 2018 - 11:39 AM, said:

I think Steve Stricker is my favorite player on tour, so I took note during the Players coverage when Johnny Miller said that Bernhard Langer is currently #1 and Stricker was #2 (or might be the second best). Yes, Langer has dominated the Sr Circuit in recent years, but I think Stricker is a better player currently. Consider:

Major Record since Stricker turned 50:
Langer- cut at 2017 Masters, t38 this year. Did not play the other events.
Stricker- t16, t16, t37 & t54 in the four majors in 2017 which included winning the US Open qualifier. Not invited to 2018 Masters.

Stricker holds a: 6-1-1 edge over Langer head to head since Stricker turned 50 last year-
2017 Tuscon: Stricker 2nd, Langer 3rd
2017 MS Gulf: both t3
2017 Masters: Stricker t16, Langer Cut,
2017 Regions: Langer Win, Stricker t13
2017 3 M: Stricker t3, Langer t13
2018 Chubb: Stricker t2, Langer t36,
2018 Cologard: Stricker Win, Langer t54,
2018 Rapiscan: Stricer Win, Langer t9,


Stricker has more wins in fewer 2018 Champions Tour (individual events) than Langer:
Langer: 8 events played, 1 Win, 2nd, t2, t9, t16, t36, t54, 58th
Stricker: 3 events, 2 Wins, t2


2018 PGA Tour:
Langer has not played
Stricker: 6 Events, 4 top 31 finishes, 2 missed cuts

Yes, Langer has had a better Sr Career overall than Stricker, but Stricker has shown that he is better than Langer when they both tee it up and has also shown that he can still compete on the regular tour.

Stricker's major record in his 40s (2007-2016) is also quite impressive compared to Langer (1998-2007) or most other players.
Stricker: 34 Majors played, 7 top 10s, 20 top 25s, 3 missed cuts (0 missed cuts in 26 majors since turning 43!)
Langer: 32 Majors played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 10 missed cuts (t8 at 2014 Masters as a 56 year old!)
Phil Mickelson: 27 Majors played, 1 Win, 7 top 10s, 12 top 25s, 6 missed cuts since turning 40 in June 2010
Vijay Singh: 38 Majors Played, 1 Win, 11 top 10s, 17 top 25s, 8 missed cuts from 2003-2012
Davis Love III: 34 Majors Played, 6 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 16 missed cuts from 2004-2013
Kenny Perry: 29 Majors Played, 4 top 10s, 9 top 25s, 6 missed cuts from Aug 2000-Aug 2010
Jack Nicklaus: 40 Majors Played, 3 Wins, 13 Top 10s, 24 top 25s, 4 missed cuts & 1 WD from 1980-1989
Tom Watson: 39 Majors Played, 8 top 10s, 15 top 25s, 14 missed cuts from 1990-1999

Of all the guys listed, Stricker has the best cuts made % of anyone and is 2nd only to Nicklaus in top 25 %


I doubt Stricker will play as heavy a Sr schedule as Langer (218 events the last 10+ years), but I think he could really dominate out there if that was his sole focus.

Stricker = 50, Langer = 60. BIG difference.  Its unbelievable Langer has dominated the senior tour for so long.

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:57 AM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 24 May 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

View Postschley, on 23 May 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Stricker is a good pro golfer.  He is an excellent 50 plus golfer.  He has always been an outstanding wedge player and putter.  If he is hitting a lot of wedges he is going to make birdies pretty simply.  This is why long courses are now and will only continue to be his achilles heel for he doesn't have the length to hit wedges on 475 yard plus par 4's.  Definitely doens't  have the firepower to get home in 2 on 575 plus par 5's (without wind/downhill).

I appreciate him for what he is, but his record (nor is Langer's) record anywhere near the Golden Bear's in his 50's playing regular PGA Tour Majors.

The numbers don't back you up, at least comparing Jack and Stricker in their early 50s in regular PGA Tour & Majors.

Nicklaus had an outstanding record in majors from 40 to 47, but not as much after that .At 48+, Nicklaus only finished top 16 twice in 52 Majors played with two 6th place finishes at Augusta coming at age 50 & 58. He missed 23 cuts in those 52 starts. Since turning 48 Stricker has had a 4th at the Open and is 8 for 8 in made cuts, At age 50, Nicklaus finished 6th, t33, t63 & cut which seems pretty comparable to Stricker who finished t16, t16, t37 & t54. Yes, Nicklaus was better at the Masters, but Stricker was better at the other 3 (likely with deeper fields than Jack competed against).

On the regular tour at age 50 & 51, Jack played in 17 events with 2 top 10s, 5 top 25s and 3 missed cuts. Beyond that, his played trailed off further with more missed cuts. Stricker has played in 17 PGA Tour events since turning 50 with 2 top 10s, 7 top 25s and 4 missed cuts...again pretty comparable results (with the fields much deeper today IMO).  

While Jack in his early 50s was NOT better than Sticker in the majors and regular Tour, he does hold an edge in the Champions Tour winning 5 of the first 9 events he played. Stricker has only won 2 of 9 individual Champions Tour events.

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 12:39 PM

View Postjonsnow, on 30 May 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 24 May 2018 - 10:08 AM, said:

View Postschley, on 23 May 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

Stricker is a good pro golfer.  He is an excellent 50 plus golfer.  He has always been an outstanding wedge player and putter.  If he is hitting a lot of wedges he is going to make birdies pretty simply.  This is why long courses are now and will only continue to be his achilles heel for he doesn't have the length to hit wedges on 475 yard plus par 4's.  Definitely doens't  have the firepower to get home in 2 on 575 plus par 5's (without wind/downhill).

I appreciate him for what he is, but his record (nor is Langer's) record anywhere near the Golden Bear's in his 50's playing regular PGA Tour Majors.

The numbers don't back you up, at least comparing Jack and Stricker in their early 50s in regular PGA Tour & Majors.

Nicklaus had an outstanding record in majors from 40 to 47, but not as much after that .At 48+, Nicklaus only finished top 16 twice in 52 Majors played with two 6th place finishes at Augusta coming at age 50 & 58. He missed 23 cuts in those 52 starts. Since turning 48 Stricker has had a 4th at the Open and is 8 for 8 in made cuts, At age 50, Nicklaus finished 6th, t33, t63 & cut which seems pretty comparable to Stricker who finished t16, t16, t37 & t54. Yes, Nicklaus was better at the Masters, but Stricker was better at the other 3 (likely with deeper fields than Jack competed against).

On the regular tour at age 50 & 51, Jack played in 17 events with 2 top 10s, 5 top 25s and 3 missed cuts. Beyond that, his played trailed off further with more missed cuts. Stricker has played in 17 PGA Tour events since turning 50 with 2 top 10s, 7 top 25s and 4 missed cuts...again pretty comparable results (with the fields much deeper today IMO).  

While Jack in his early 50s was NOT better than Sticker in the majors and regular Tour, he does hold an edge in the Champions Tour winning 5 of the first 9 events he played. Stricker has only won 2 of 9 individual Champions Tour events.

Numbers, numbers, numbers. Who needs numbers when we've got opinions?


If Jack Nicklaus's career in his 50's, which was awesome, isn't as good as Steve Stricker who is 1 1/2 years into his 50's then I don't know stats and the bar has changed.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 10:59 AM

Jack might be the GOAT, but not in regular majors during his 50s:

Jack in Majors in his 50s: 35 played, 2 top 10s, 3 top 25s, 12 missed cuts.
Sam Snead in Majors in his 50s: 27 played, 6 top 10s, 10 top 25s, 6 missed cuts. Snead also had 3 top 10s in a row at the PGA IN HIS 60s!

Snead beat Nicklaus at least once at every major (8 times total) after turning 50 with the last coming at the 1979 PGA when Snead was 67 and Jack was 39.

If you consider Jack's 50+ major results awesome, then I'm not sure what word to use for Snead.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 11:59 AM

View PostSkiSchoolPro, on 31 May 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

Jack might be the GOAT, but not in regular majors during his 50s:

Jack in Majors in his 50s: 35 played, 2 top 10s, 3 top 25s, 12 missed cuts.
Sam Snead in Majors in his 50s: 27 played, 6 top 10s, 10 top 25s, 6 missed cuts. Snead also had 3 top 10s in a row at the PGA IN HIS 60s!

Snead beat Nicklaus at least once at every major (8 times total) after turning 50 with the last coming at the 1979 PGA when Snead was 67 and Jack was 39.

If you consider Jack's 50+ major results awesome, then I'm not sure what word to use for Snead.

There wasn't a senior tour back then and I'm sure Snead would have done well, but Jack won 8 Sr. Majors as well.  Largely playing part time. I'll take Nicklaus playing in his 50's about 90's competition against Snead playing against the  1960's and 1970's competition.


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