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#31 straightshot7

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

View Post2putttom, on 15 May 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 May 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Posttiderider, on 15 May 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 14 May 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not the same but I think it should be made illegal.

Just grip the putter with your hands and be done with it.

they are gripping it with their hands ... they're just allowing the handle to extend up to the forearm ...

You know what I mean. Let your hands be the last thing that touch the grip. Touch the grip with nothing but your hands.

Running it up the forearm is another way to try to eliminate the hands. It's a milder version of anchoring.
  it works for them, it works for me.... https://www.usga.org...rule-14-1b.html

I understand it's legal. I just think a pro golfer should be able to putt with the grip in their hands only.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:36 PM

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 May 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

View Post2putttom, on 15 May 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 May 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

View Posttiderider, on 15 May 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 14 May 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not the same but I think it should be made illegal.

Just grip the putter with your hands and be done with it.

they are gripping it with their hands ... they're just allowing the handle to extend up to the forearm ...

You know what I mean. Let your hands be the last thing that touch the grip. Touch the grip with nothing but your hands.

Running it up the forearm is another way to try to eliminate the hands. It's a milder version of anchoring.
  it works for them, it works for me.... https://www.usga.org...rule-14-1b.html

I understand it's legal. I just think a pro golfer should be able to putt with the grip in their hands only.


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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:42 PM

View PostChristosterone, on 15 May 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 May 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

I understand it's legal. I just think a pro golfer should be able to putt with the grip in their hands only.



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Posted 15 May 2018 - 01:59 PM

View PostThe General, on 15 May 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

the putter should be the shortest club in the bag.


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There would be nobody there, because a length restriction wouldn’t solve anything.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:44 PM

View PostThe General, on 15 May 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

the putter should be the shortest club in the bag.


(let the ticker tape parade begin)

I use a 40" putter but I use traditional technique I just stand very upright

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

Ehh, I'll bite I guess.

I'd say watching Keegan, Simpson, Kuchar, and all the other guys who putt with the shaft running up their forearm is a little boring to watch. With Simpson almost making everything Friday and Saturday at the Players, I could see how more pro's might look into it.

But in all honesty, putting is either the most boring or exciting part of golf. You can't draw/fade a putt (or at least you wouldn't want to). Hard to putt a stroke into a hazard, or into the rough. Even Hogan said putts should only be worth half a stroke. I'd say the most frustrating part about golf as an amateur is hitting a beautiful shot on to the green, only to then two or three putt for par/bogey. It is an art for sure, but since the ball is always in contact with the ground, it almost seems like you are at the control of the green conditions. Bad greens = almost impossible scoring. I make on average 10-12 pars a round, but average only 1.2 birdies per round. I also play public courses where the greens are basically in a state of disrepair.

Just think of it this way. 350 yard tee shot into a 10 yard wide fairway, and then a beautiful wedge to around 8 feet, only to two putt for par because someone left a cleat mark on your putting line. Point is, I don't really care what they putt with.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:44 PM

Harvey Penick thought that a putting stroke should require the hands to be together.

End of discussion.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 03:49 PM

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

Harvey Penick thought that a putting stroke should require the hands to be together.

End of discussion.
they are touching-turn the right hand the other way and it is conventional

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 05:00 PM

Harvey Penick also thought lead tape was for pussies !
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:48 PM

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

Harvey Penick thought that a putting stroke should require the hands to be together.

End of discussion.

oh because he wrote a book his is the only opinion that matters?? he played with hickory shafts. end of discussion.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:29 PM

The solution is simple:

Bind the hands together using lead tape.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:41 PM

I don’t even grip the putter with my hands when I putt.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:47 PM

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

Harvey Penick thought that a putting stroke should require the hands to be together.

End of discussion.

On older greens, where some wrist action is required to get the ball to the hole, I would agree.  On today's marble table tops where the slightest miscalculation in wrist action will lead to a 26 footer coming back, I would tend to disagree.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:50 PM

View PostShilgy, on 15 May 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

View Postgvogel, on 15 May 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

Harvey Penick thought that a putting stroke should require the hands to be together.

End of discussion.
they are touching-turn the right hand the other way and it is conventional

Right, his hands are touching, so there would be nothing illegal about the technique, according to Harvey.  And I agree.

In fact, when using a belly putter, the hands touch each other, and Harvey would not have a problem with that either.  And I agree - it looks like a golf stroke.

It is the long putter where one hand does not move - that is the problem as I see it.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:57 AM

View PostHitEmTrue, on 13 May 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is anchoring a putter against your forearm any different from anchoring it against your palms and fingers?
Yes it is, very different because the other 13 clubs are held only in the hands. Why should the putter be different from all other clubs?


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Posted Yesterday, 11:00 AM

View Posttiderider, on 15 May 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 14 May 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not the same but I think it should be made illegal.

Just grip the putter with your hands and be done with it.

they are gripping it with their hands ... they're just allowing the handle to extend up to the forearm ...
And anchoring it there......

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Posted Yesterday, 11:25 AM

View PostAnchor44, on 20 May 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

View PostHitEmTrue, on 13 May 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is anchoring a putter against your forearm any different from anchoring it against your palms and fingers?
Yes it is, very different because the other 13 clubs are held only in the hands. Why should the putter be different from all other clubs?

There is nothing stopping someone from using the "Kuchar method" with any of their clubs. Who knows, we may soon see DeChambeau with 42" long irons hitting shots straighter than Moe Norman used to. They won't be very long, but man, will they be accurate.
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Posted Yesterday, 02:07 PM

View PostAnchor44, on 20 May 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

View Posttiderider, on 15 May 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 14 May 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

It's not the same but I think it should be made illegal.

Just grip the putter with your hands and be done with it.

they are gripping it with their hands ... they're just allowing the handle to extend up to the forearm ...
And anchoring it there......

would we stop someone from using their forearm ala Simpson with a full swing?

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Posted Yesterday, 03:06 PM

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 16 May 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

I don't even grip the putter with my hands when I putt.

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Posted Yesterday, 03:16 PM

Can't believe Langer and McCarron don't get challenged on their anchoring. Adam Scott is the only one i've seen recently with some actual space between the chest and the grip. i saw their little skit on TGC, they still anchor. i m o


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Posted Yesterday, 03:23 PM

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Posted Yesterday, 03:51 PM

I fooled around with a broomstick putter for about a year.  Finally came to the conclusion that it was worse than useless.  I am amazed that anyone uses one, anchored or not, for anything beyond a garden implement.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:15 PM

Pretty clear. The new rules addressed it.


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Posted Yesterday, 05:14 PM

View PostAnchor44, on 20 May 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

View PostHitEmTrue, on 13 May 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

Is anchoring a putter against your forearm any different from anchoring it against your palms and fingers?
Yes it is, very different because the other 13 clubs are held only in the hands. Why should the putter be different from all other clubs?

It does not create a fulcrum...the arm is moving, just like the hands.   Someone could use the same technique when chipping with a non-putter.


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Posted Today, 06:41 AM

View PostAnchor44, on 20 May 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

Yes it is, very different because the other 13 clubs are held only in the hands. Why should the putter be different from all other clubs?

The swing is different with the putter then it is from every other club in the bag - so why should the grip be the same?

And the reason we do it differently with the other clubs, is not because it's the way it's 'supposed to be'.  It's entirely because that's the way that works the best and gives us a clear advantage for those clubs and swings over other possible ways to grip the club.

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Posted Today, 12:12 PM

View PostCwing, on 20 May 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Pretty clear. The new rules addressed it.


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I think the anchoring with the chin is too hard, so I go with resting against the forehead.

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Posted Today, 12:54 PM

View PostDrCRHop, on 21 May 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

View PostCwing, on 20 May 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Pretty clear. The new rules addressed it.


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I think the anchoring with the chin is too hard, so I go with resting against the forehead.
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Posted Today, 02:00 PM

View PostGhostwedge, on 20 May 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

Can't be lieve Langer and McCarron don't get challenged on their anchoring. Adam Scott is the only one i've seen recently with some actual space between the chest and the grip. i saw their little skit on TGC, they still anchor. i m o

None of them anchor. It is hysterical paranoia. If you took those guys to the practice green and asked them to demonstrate the old anchored method while alternating putts with the current method, the variance would be glaring. One is pressed, the other is not. Maybe we need shirtless golf.

It is interesting to see Adam Scott given the benefit of a doubt in that post. That was hardly the case when I attended the Players a couple of weeks ago. At literally every green you could hear the grumblings in the gallery. Always the same demographic...a handful of middle aged white guys talking to each other in cynical agreement. I kept thinking it was exactly the group that Mike Davis had in mind with that ruling, and it represented Mike Davis himself.

I still don't understand why at least 10-15 guys on tour don't use the long putter. Anchoring means nothing with that method, in comparison to simply separating the hands. That is the massive benefit. The guys who formerly used the belly putter...now that was a legitimate adjustment they were forced to make. I'll continue to maintain that those guys should switch to the long putter and give it a full try. Apparently they default to fear and/or impatience.

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Posted Today, 02:15 PM

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 16 May 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

I don't even grip the putter with my hands when I putt.

Can one's foot touch the putter during a stroke?

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Posted Today, 02:27 PM

View PostAwsi Dooger, on 21 May 2018 - 02:00 PM, said:

View PostGhostwedge, on 20 May 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

Can't be lieve Langer and McCarron don't get challenged on their anchoring. Adam Scott is the only one i've seen recently with some actual space between the chest and the grip. i saw their little skit on TGC, they still anchor. i m o

None of them anchor. It is hysterical paranoia. If you took those guys to the practice green and asked them to demonstrate the old anchored method while alternating putts with the current method, the variance would be glaring. One is pressed, the other is not. Maybe we need shirtless golf.

It is interesting to see Adam Scott given the benefit of a doubt in that post. That was hardly the case when I attended the Players a couple of weeks ago. At literally every green you could hear the grumblings in the gallery. Always the same demographic...a handful of middle aged white guys talking to each other in cynical agreement. I kept thinking it was exactly the group that Mike Davis had in mind with that ruling, and it represented Mike Davis himself.

I still don't understand why at least 10-15 guys on tour don't use the long putter. Anchoring means nothing with that method, in comparison to simply separating the hands. That is the massive benefit. The guys who formerly used the belly putter...now that was a legitimate adjustment they were forced to make. I'll continue to maintain that those guys should switch to the long putter and give it a full try. Apparently they default to fear and/or impatience.

Once again, the bane of all progress... :russian_roulette:

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