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Tensei Pro Orange - Interesting findings...


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#1 NYCgolfer17

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

After 2+ months of searching I finally was able to acquire the elusive Tensei Pro Orange 70TX. I brought it to my club builder thinking it was going to SW way less than my current driver but was shocked to see it came out almost identical (same length).

For reference: Current set up - Ping G400 LST - With Ping Tour 65X from the G30 (made by UST I believe). SW D6.2

I thought adding the Pro Orange would bring the SW down to a reasonable D3-4 but I was wrong.

I realize the Ping tour shaft is also a CB shaft but I was under the impression the Orange was more CB biased and would bring the SW down. Anyone else have a similar experience? I realize I can just change the weight in the Ping head but Ideally I wanted a "heavy head" with a reasonable SW.

Further, played one round yesterday with the shaft and it is a beast. Really can go after it without fear of a hook. I am liking it so far even though it feels like a sledge hammer at the current weight.

G400 LST -Tensei Pro Orange 70TX
G25 3W - Ping tour X-Flex
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Posted 11 May 2018 - 11:13 AM

Tensei Pro Orange is actually pretty minimally counterbalanced.

Not to mention the G400 LST @ 208gr is a pretty heavy head, I imagine that's why every Ping G400 shaft option is a CB shaft.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 11:32 AM

Why is the sw so high? Playing over length or added weight?
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Posted 11 May 2018 - 11:45 AM

View PostZBigStick, on 11 May 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

Why is the sw so high? Playing over length or added weight?

Playing at 45.25. Did not add any weight. I think its just a heavy head. The weight in the head is 10gm so I think I can buy a lighter one to bring it down but one of the main reasons I wanted the orange (besides the fact that all the cool kids have one) was to play a heaver head with a lower SW. I was surprised/disappointed how it weighed out.
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Posted 11 May 2018 - 12:52 PM

My G400 LST swing weights at D4  with both my Tour 65 and Hzrdus Yellow shaft at 45" with the head weighing 203 grams (no adapter). The higher balance point of these shafts can only do so much, before you have to cut the shaft shorter if you're playing with a heavy head. Any shaft with a low balance point would probably be swing weighting at D8 with your current head. So it is helping. Don't know if you're dead set at 45.25, but shaving off that .25" would help get it a little closer to D4 without it feeling much shorter.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 01:07 PM

I have PO V2, which I think is less counterbalanced than the V3, and found the same thing.  Swing weight did not change relative to a HZRDUS Yellow (also counterbalanced) or my old Aldila Tour Green.
M1 440 9.5* MRC Pro Orange V2 60 TX
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Posted 11 May 2018 - 01:44 PM

For further reference... I have an Orange that I play in my Epic head which weighs 205 grams without adapter. It also swing weights at D6 at just a hair under 45.25" that you play at.

Golfshaft reviews measured the balance point of the Orange 70TX at 3.4", which is the highest I recall ever seeing. The Hzrdus Yellow is 2.4" in the same comparable weight. So I don't think there are many shafts out there with a higher balance point than the Orange.
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Posted 11 May 2018 - 02:48 PM

I guess I should weigh the head. Forgot to do that
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Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:01 AM

How are you liking this combo OP?
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Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:18 PM

mannn i want this shaft.. its just so darn expensive.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:52 PM

How pricey is this shaft?

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:52 PM

View Postnickrut, on 14 May 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

How pricey is this shaft?


380

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:54 PM

View PostKPH808, on 14 May 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

How are you liking this combo OP?

Haven’t had a ton of course time with it yet but definitely liking it so far. Time will tell.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:27 PM

Taking g400 lst with po 70tx out for a spin tomorrow. Im anticipating 10 mph ball speed jump at minimum
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:14 PM

View Postprovx, on 16 May 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Taking g400 lst with po 70tx out for a spin tomorrow. Im anticipating 10 mph ball speed jump at minimum

Lol. MINIMUM

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:06 PM

If the PO could add more ballspeed to my driver than the Pro White then Im going to the next LD competition with a 44.5 driver
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:42 PM

View Postprovx, on 16 May 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Taking g400 lst with po 70tx out for a spin tomorrow. Im anticipating 10 mph ball speed jump at minimum

Would like to hear how it goes
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 06:38 AM

View PostNYCgolfer17, on 17 May 2018 - 06:14 PM, said:

View Postprovx, on 16 May 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

Taking g400 lst with po 70tx out for a spin tomorrow. Im anticipating 10 mph ball speed jump at minimum

Lol. MINIMUM

:D

I was joking about the ballspeed but i do like the shaft, much more anti left than the kuru kage dc tx for me. Got some fades rolling out like draws with the lst head, not much more to ask for
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:11 AM

View PostSwooshLT, on 15 May 2018 - 09:52 PM, said:

View Postnickrut, on 14 May 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

How pricey is this shaft?


380

Where you find for $380

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:17 AM

I had this combo and it felt like it was E5 lol... would go back and try again with the PO at a shorter length but the AD IZ is doing a great job so not searching any longer

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:21 AM

Never heard of the Ping Tour shaft being counter balanced.  I thought the Tour shaft was based on the Elements Chrome which is definitely not counter balanced.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

View PostTommyj, on 18 May 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

Never heard of the Ping Tour shaft being counter balanced.  I thought the Tour shaft was based on the Elements Chrome which is definitely not counter balanced.


Everybody says the Ping Tour shafts are based on the Elements Chrome series, so I'll believe it, but per the UST Elements Chrome site that line has a "Counter balance design to produce manageable swing weights for today’s heavier heads".  So either the Tour shafts are counter balanced, or they are a non-counter balanced version of Elements Chrome?
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