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#1 bwbw

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:11 AM

Anyone work with their junior in correcting an over the top swing?

Daughter is working with her coach, but just cannot get over it.  I'm looking for ideas, drills, whatever that she may be able to do to help her get over it.


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#2 iteachgolf

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM

Find a new coach

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:26 AM

Make a smash bag go right instead of left.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:33 AM

Try this
https://www.youtube....h?v=Ec6v4uqKs-4

this is what cured me after 12 years of over the top swing

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 11:51 AM

Many, if not most, OTT moves can be corrected by changing the golfers focus and perception of the swing.  No mechanical, technique adjustment necessary.  OTT is actually the most efficient way to hit the ball when the ball is the focus of the swing.  By shifting focus to swinging to a target, so the ball just gets in the way of the swing, the natural move is to swing on plane, down the line.

Check out this video from Shawn Clement for an introduction to this concept.  

https://www.youtube....h?v=f5Vq9PrYTDM

He also mentions a couple of drills that will help.  

Have your daughter pick out a spot a foot in front of the ball, in line with her target.  Put a tee in the ground or a coin on the spot.  Then have her swing so the club goes through the ball and over the spot.  The idea is to get the focus off the ball (ball bound) and onto swinging to the target.  She can also put two balls down in line to the target about 6 inches apart.  Set up between the balls with a 9 or 8 iron and swing to the target, hitting both balls.  (This is also fun, especially for juniors.)


The problem with many drills is that they work on takeaway, or manipulating the club onto the proper swing plane, etc.  But the focus of the player remains on hitting the ball.  The conscious mind is saying swing this way, the subconscious is saying, No, that's the wrong way to hit the ball.  When it comes time to play, the subconscious will win out and the player is back to OTT.  The standard drills will eventually work, but it will take forever.  It's much more efficient to change the focus to the target.  The swing will adapt quickly to the new focus/goal.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:11 PM

Thanks for the drills and thoughts.  The hardest thing now may be convincing my daughter to drill and not just hit balls.

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

Not the coach's fault.  My daughter has a few practice flaws:

1.  She tries to swing too hard.
2.  She takes the club too far back (in an attempt to do #1).
3.  She does not like to run drills.

The coach can only do or suggest so much.  He warned it is going to take some time.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:30 PM

I cant find the the video, but not pulling the club down to swing hard really helped me. As soon as Id pull the club to hit a hard one Id come across the plane

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:32 PM

View Postbwbw, on 10 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Thanks for the drills and thoughts.  The hardest thing now may be convincing my daughter to drill and not just hit balls.

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

Not the coach's fault.  My daughter has a few practice flaws:

1.  She tries to swing too hard.
2.  She takes the club too far back (in an attempt to do #1).
3.  She does not like to run drills.

The coach can only do or suggest so much.  He warned it is going to take some time.

How old is she?

Dr. Greg Rose below.  Let her swing as hard as she can and teach the rest later.

https://www.facebook...32402093505505/

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:44 PM

View Postbwbw, on 10 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Thanks for the drills and thoughts.  The hardest thing now may be convincing my daughter to drill and not just hit balls.

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

Not the coach's fault.  My daughter has a few practice flaws:

1.  She tries to swing too hard.
2.  She takes the club too far back (in an attempt to do #1).
3.  She does not like to run drills.

The coach can only do or suggest so much.  He warned it is going to take some time.

Most drills are boring, especially for juniors.  Most have limited attention spans and generally don't make the connection between doing a drill and seeing the result of a better golf game.  Delayed gratification isn't high on most juniors' lists.   But, some drills can be made fun and still help with the swing.  Especially when they let the junior do something other golfers can't do, or they are unusual enough to pique their interest.  

A few swing drills come to mind--feet together drill, flamingo drill and walking drill.  Ask the junior if she can hit the ball with her feet together, on one leg or while walking up to the ball, swinging the club.  Make it a challenge and not a drill.  Plus, she'll be the only one among her friends who can do it.  Same with throwing clubs at a target.  What kid doesn't want to throw clubs?  Above I mentioned the two ball drill.  It's a challenge, something different, and fun if presented the right way, but produces positive results as well.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:52 PM

One more thing.  You say she takes the club too far back.  Changing the focus to the target, and getting it off the ball, will help to shorten the backswing.  Once she realizes the center point of the swing is past the ball, the swing will naturally shorten.  

Have her hold the club up side down on the shaft by the club head and swing.  Ask her where she hears the swish of the club.  It will be well after the ball position.  Have her swing harder to increase the swish of the club.  Her attention will be on where the swing is going not on the ball.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:55 PM

View Postbwbw, on 10 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:


1.  She tries to swing too hard.
2.  She takes the club too far back (in an attempt to do #1).


Don't change these two things.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:02 PM

View Postbwbw, on 10 May 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Thanks for the drills and thoughts.  The hardest thing now may be convincing my daughter to drill and not just hit balls.

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

Not the coach's fault.  My daughter has a few practice flaws:

1.  She tries to swing too hard.
2.  She takes the club too far back (in an attempt to do #1).
3.  She does not like to run drills.

The coach can only do or suggest so much.  He warned it is going to take some time.

First 2 are positives not negatives and arent the reason shes coming OTT.  Its part of a coaches job to explain things and motivate the player.  She should be hitting it better immediately, especially on good shots, and not get worse before getting better.  Swing path should be able to be changes VERY quickly if youre focusing on the right things.

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:51 PM

Nothing wrong with #1 and #2. My son has never had an OTT swing, until recently. However, ever since he was 7 he never tried to hit the ball extremely hard and was very calculated in how he hit. He only took the club just past vertical on all irons and had "full" swings for hybrids/woods. He is not the longest hitter, but hits the ball very straight and makes solid contact.

With that said, he has been working with a coach for 3 years that focuses on straight backswing and straight follow through by placing tees in front and behind the ball. Or alignment rods. He also has him working on letting the club drop instead of getting wristy and casting the club to the outside. This usually creates an OTT swing as well as high hands. You can swing as hard as you want, but it will go further with less SS, a straight follow through with no high hands, and center contact.
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:05 PM

OTT swings happen, you just need to get your child to focus on swing path.

My son had a OTT swing and when he is out of rhythm, or trying very hard or being handsy.. he goes back to OTT.  

We did spend  a lot of time with drills to get him to drop his hand, swing from the inside and out to the right.

I think for as long as he plays golf that is something he will need to focus on,  

For example, during a round , we can see when it starts; , the first swing could be a slight fade, the next is pull to the left; I get the puzzled look and I get the customary question was i alligned left or did I come OTT

I have been told every golfer has there miss.. and my sons is either a OTT or push out to the right!


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 06:49 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

This is simple advice but very true and really the only advice you need.  Too many people become too loyal to a coach rather then just get what they need and move on.   There is a vast difference between coaches and results.  

Also don't be afraid to pay more per hour to a coach. A coach at $250 an hour may actually be a better deal then a coach at $50 an hour.  

Usually the coach at $50 an hour is great with kids but really only teaches the basics nothing wrong with that but as they get better you need someone who will do more then just teach them to make contact with the ball. They probably don't even know how to correct problems like your talking about. You could see them every day for a year and still get the same results

The coach at $250 an hour will actually fix the issue in an hour or less. You also might only need to see them once a month instead of every week and they will get a lot better each time.

If your not getting results you have to move on or your just wasting money.


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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:23 AM

View Posttiger1873, on 14 May 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

This is simple advice but very true and really the only advice you need.  Too many people become too loyal to a coach rather then just get what they need and move on.   There is a vast difference between coaches and results.  

Also don't be afraid to pay more per hour to a coach. A coach at $250 an hour may actually be a better deal then a coach at $50 an hour.  

Usually the coach at $50 an hour is great with kids but really only teaches the basics nothing wrong with that but as they get better you need someone who will do more then just teach them to make contact with the ball. They probably don't even know how to correct problems like your talking about. You could see them every day for a year and still get the same results

The coach at $250 an hour will actually fix the issue in an hour or less. You also might only need to see them once a month instead of every week and they will get a lot better each time.

If your not getting results you have to move on or your just wasting money.

A lot of truth to this statement.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:31 AM

View Posttiger1873, on 14 May 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 10 May 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Find a new coach

This is simple advice but very true and really the only advice you need.  Too many people become too loyal to a coach rather then just get what they need and move on.   There is a vast difference between coaches and results.  

Also don't be afraid to pay more per hour to a coach. A coach at $250 an hour may actually be a better deal then a coach at $50 an hour.  

Usually the coach at $50 an hour is great with kids but really only teaches the basics nothing wrong with that but as they get better you need someone who will do more then just teach them to make contact with the ball. They probably don't even know how to correct problems like your talking about. You could see them every day for a year and still get the same results

The coach at $250 an hour will actually fix the issue in an hour or less. You also might only need to see them once a month instead of every week and they will get a lot better each time.

If your not getting results you have to move on or your just wasting money.

LOVE THIS!!!  Top ranked coaches are top ranked for a reason.

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:37 AM

View Postdarter79, on 14 May 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

LOVE THIS!!!  Top ranked coaches are top ranked for a reason.

It's hard to describe the difference but I this is a general idea of different golf instructors you see out there.


Country Club / Local Pro who works with kids

Great with teaching etiquette and overall the kids have fun with putting games and hitting on the range. You then get a private lesson but the kids really don't improve much.  These coaches tend to think everyone is just plain bad and teach you like you a 60 year old picking up your club for the first time.  Sometimes they help but more often then not they will teach you their swing. There also the most expensive instructors because you will never be able to play good golf. They may use technology but really don't know how to analyze it.

Regional Guy (maybe at a driving range)

Usually this instructor is good and he will improve you game. Generally speaking he will not teach you his swing and will actually teach you something. He probably charges 90-$150 an hour but generally speaking will improve your game a lot.  The good thing is they may actually played a high level of golf and may be actually very good teachers. The biggest thing with them is they really busy because there not a lot these guys to go around for the people needing lessons and they actually have to work for a living because they don't charge a lot. The good thing is they will at least get you to actually play good golf though. The biggest downside with most these guys is there is something there really not great with teaching.  For instance they may be great at  iron play and putting but can't teach chipping well. At some point you will need to seek advice to improve in their weak areas.

Top National Coach

These guys can look at a swing and tell you almost instantly what is wrong.  Within 15 minutes you fixed things you had no clue about and by the end of your first lesson your already working on stuff you thought would take years. At least that is what is feels like. There also not over reliant on technology because they have a real good eye. They still use it but they don't need it. The other problem is there $200 plus an hour and may be too busy to teach you.

The other thing is stay away from schools that just put their name on the side of the building. Yes there can be good teachers there that teach actual pro players but you will not see those guys if you walk in.  Just because a great teacher puts their name on something should not be the reason you chose to go to a instructor working there. Make sure you investigate who is actually teaching you. For instance your not going to get Hank Haney or Jim McClean teaching you at their schools and the instructors teaching you there may not have even met them.

Edited by tiger1873, 14 May 2018 - 01:13 PM.


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