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#31 burns9304

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

Has CC ever done any research into if grip characteristics, other than size, make a difference in the performance of a club.  For example does a very soft flexible grip like a Golf Pride CP2 Wrap cause some kind of change in performance in a club than say a Lamkin Crossline Cord which has much less torque and feels much firmer.  Does it not matter or would this vary golfer to golfer?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:03 AM

I would love to get fitted for my whole bag, but the price is my issue.  If I got fit for my driver only, would I be able to use that information and apply it to my fairways and hybrids?  For example, if I play an AD DI in my driver, would it make sense to use the same shaft in my fairways and hybrids as well for consistency?  Which clubs usually gain the most benefit with a fitting?
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:23 PM

Is golf ball preference taken into account during fittings?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:21 AM

With more "distance" irons being released, does it become more difficult for the fitters to pair up irons correctly for players?  Mainly speaking to peak height and spin for irons.  I see so many people only look at the distance category when hitting at big box stores.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:04 AM

I'm 71, in northern NJ, and have an 80mph driver swing speed and am looking for lighter shafts in driver and irons; also need irons and hybrids that launch higher. I demo'ed an Epic Star driver with a stock lite shaft (39 or 43g) and recoil iron shafts in the 60m - 68g range that made a difference but a friend went to a nearby Club Champion facility two years ago and said you didn't carry many shafts in those weight ranges. Is that still true?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

What happens with the stock shaft from a driver or fairway wood when I purchase my clubs from you with a recommended/upgraded shaft option?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:05 AM

How effective do you feel a full wedge fitting is indoors?  Full swing/distance gapping (which is only a portion of the the utilization of a wedge in my opinion.)

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:30 AM

Which clubs (drivers, irons, fairways/hybrids, wedges) are you seeing the most interest in?  And in your estimation, what percentage of people walk out with the club they think they wanted vs something else that performed better?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:32 AM

Is it more important to be fitted for a wedge or to keep getting new wedges every couple of seasons (depending on how much you play)?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:08 AM

How do you determine which swing weight works best for ones swing, and how do you manipulate swing weight during the fitting itself?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:08 AM

If I had to choose between an iron fitting and a driver fitting, which one should I go for first?
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:37 AM

What do you find the most helpful to fit first-  shaft flex or shaft weight or shaft length ?
Thanks for answering our questions.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:50 AM

Do CC believe that fitting lie angle is best done with a lie board?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:15 PM

How do you adjust shaft lengths during a fitting? Do you have each model in different lengths on hand?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:39 PM

How often do you have to change a customer's loft during a putter fitting?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:52 PM

How do you go about determining the best wedge grind during an indoor fitting?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:29 PM

What differentiates Club Champion from other club fitters such as 2nd Swing, GolfTEC, Totally Driven, Hot Stix, etc.?
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:50 PM

View PostJackP35, on 14 May 2018 - 07:02 AM, said:

Which club category (driver, woods, irons, wedges, or putter) do you feel benefits the most from a fitting?

Tough one to answer.  That’s where our sit-down interview is some important.  We want to talk to you about your strengths and struggles and tackle struggles first.  

Remember a good fitting doesn’t just get a better club, it solves the issues, and makes playing the game easier.

So, reflect on where you feel the struggles or “holes” are in your bag and game and tackle those fits first.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:52 PM

View Postgetair23, on 14 May 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

In a driver fitting what determines where you find the happy place between distance and accuracy?

There is one good part about USGA limitations on golf equipment. It gives us the best there can be.  So, one of the reasons we have so many options are to try to help everybody get to that best.  

But to be more direct it also comes down to what the player is looking for.  Often fittings come down to “You can hit it 5 yards farther, but you give up 5 yards dispersion,” and then it comes down the players ability and course they play on how important that is.  

The best part of our fittings is its all data driven and right in front of you on the screen. So, you and the fitter can determine what is the best marriage based on your game.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:53 PM

View Postpowerbelly51, on 14 May 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

Do golfers with inconsistent swings still benefit from being fit?

Love this question!  

Common misconception, a lot of time the equipment not fitting you right is leading to inconsistency!  So, having the proper shaft flex, weight, profile, length, with the right head swingweight, lie, loft, and finally the grip can help the consistency.  

The other thing people don’t think about is “what is inconsistency?”  Trackman gives us the ability to show the player their swing and often they aren’t as inconsistent as they think on the swing mechanics, mostly tempo and timing.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:55 PM

 fawley, on 14 May 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

With the added weight of the connection hardware that enables fitters to quickly swap shafts, how does Club Champion fit for swing weight in instances where a player may be better suited to a lighter swing weight set up?  Does the additional weight of the connection hardware preclude testing clubs at lower swing weights at standard length or longer?

We have the ability to manipulate weight during our fittings with our fitting heads and often do.  Yes, connections add weight, but there are also lighter heads that when they are added doesn’t add weight and in most conditions regardless of speed heavier can be better, as long as the weight is done right. Remember simple high school physics and Isaac Newton, Force is Mass times acceleration.  Don’t be afraid of head weight (swingweight) as long as it’s not affecting acceleration or swing mechanics, it will produce more distance! That’s why weight fitting in Club Champion fittings are so important. We find the weight light or heavy that works best for your game

 jchaywood, on 14 May 2018 - 08:59 AM, said:

What is the single biggest benefit to being fitted at a club champion location vs. a more generic fitting (demo day, big box store, etc.)?

Four things we hang our hat on.

  • Technology – We have the Trackman’s in every bay in the company and SAM puttlab in every store.  Having the leading technology allows us to to deliver the very best results.

  • Demo Matrix -  We have 35,000 plus combinations. Over 200 woods shafts, 200 irons shafts, different weights, flexes, profiles, price points.  We also have all the best brands in Golf from Taylormade, Callaway, Titleist, Ping, Cleveland, Srixon, Cobra, plus exotic brands like PXG, Epon, Miura, Edel.  We use the Conex system that allows any of those shafts to go into any head, not handcuffing us to this vendor offers this, and that vendor offers that.

  • Build Process – It’s not to say we won’t give you the option to buy clubs at Club Champion like anywhere else, but we want you to understand our build process.  Anything our builders does in the fitting bay with you can be cloned in our build shop. We can hit any spec and make sure that the club you got results with in the bay is the results you get on the course.  

  • Our People – We recruit the best of the best and then train them an extra month underneath my wing at our HQ in Chicago.  They are full time professionals that have no brand loyalty or purpose but to fit you into the best performing product. They are true professionals with the best tools, space, and time to get your fit right


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:56 PM

 EBannermanS, on 14 May 2018 - 09:04 AM, said:

Is it counter-intuitive for a high-handicapper to get fit, as they will (hopefully) improve their swing much more dramatically than a low-handicapper would?

It’s the old “chicken and egg argument.” Function creates form is our belief.  If you don’t have the right clubs, creating form is difficult. I tell high
handicappers to come in and let us show you what we can do with your clubs and how it can help their game.  Remember you don’t have to go all in,
maybe it’s a tweak to get you to the point of going all in. Maybe there’s enough evidence to go all in, but you won’t know till you come get fit.  

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:01 PM

 MillerLowLife, on 14 May 2018 - 09:33 AM, said:

I saw on IG that you'll be opening a new location in SLC soon.

When do you plan on opening and how do you plan on making a splash and immediately start to compete here?

Looking forward to the new location.

We opened this past Monday the 11th.  We also will be running our Grand Opening Special we run when we open a new store that will be good till 7/28/18.
50% off the full bag so, $175, and 33% off all individual fits.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:02 PM

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:04 PM

 DeCuchi, on 14 May 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

How are you handling combo set fittings in irons?  For example the Mizuno mp 18 line (Fli Hi/mb) or TM 700 series(790/730).  How does CC determine where to blend the sets and mitigate any gapping issues using only a 6 or 7 iron as a baseline.

Lofts and forgiveness are the biggest question marks in that scenario.  

Loft is easy, after we fit you for a 6-iron loft we can then determine how we want to progress the set regardless of model.

Forgiveness is fairly easy too. After a 1.5-hour fitting and getting to know you and your game and what we want to accomplish we can make a decision on
where cut offs should happen.  

Furthermore you most likely you will hit both 6 irons to see how spin and other key data points change to help the decision.  

Most of our fitters play combo sets, it’s a pretty easy to determine with plenty of questions and data.

 CallawayLefty, on 14 May 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

My local club champion is missing some shafts that I would love to try.  Do your folks have the ability to get shafts in from other locations before a scheduled fitting?

Thanks!

All our stores have a 95% matching demo matrix, so it might not be a shaft we carry in the matrix.  But sometimes there is a case where somebody has one piece somewhere else and yes, we will move it around. Which shafts and I can dig deeper?

 getair23, on 14 May 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

What are the biggest misconceptions that people come into fittings with?

That is a loaded question that I could write 100 bullet points on.  So here’s the highlights..

  • “I’m not good enough to get fit.” That can’t be farthest from the truth. If you care about getting better, get fit, find your holes, and come up with a plan to fix them.

  • “It’s too expensive.” It doesn’t have to be.  That’s why you and your fitter work on options that work in your budget and performance you want to get.

  • “I have to have X brand.” Although we want your preference of brand and want to try to make that work, coming in with an open mind is huge into getting the best performing clubs for your game.

  • “That’s there’s only one right fit.”  Although that is sometimes the case, there is also sometimes multiple ways to solve the problem. That’s why working with a great fitter that can explain the options and show the options is so important.  
  
I could keep going but those are the leading ones from our eye’s.  I would love to hear others
and see if I have missed some that I should be answering.  


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:05 PM

 Optimus-Par, on 14 May 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Since you mostly deal with amateurs who do not have consistent, repeatable swings, how much stock do you put into having a player being in "mid-season form" when doing a fitting?

  I touched upon this in above post.  Couple things to always remember.

  • Although your form may not be perfect your general movement doesn’t change and that’s what Trackman allows us to show a client.  

  • A good fitter throws out outliers that they and the customer agree is an outlier and keep the ones that they feel is a representable shot.  

  • If you come into a fit and you hit tons of those outliers our fitters will agree maybe go hit some more balls and come back when your timing is better. REMEMBER, we have a Perfect Fit Guarantee, so we only want to recommend what we really feel will make a difference on the course.

  • All our fitters are professionals. They have watched thousands of swings and done thousands of fittings.  They have a handle on what your true form is regardless of what you have that day in most cases. So they will help you spot these things and explain it.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:08 PM

 CheckJV, on 14 May 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

What kind of training program do the fitters go through at Club Champion?

It’s a program I wish every golfer could go through! It’s a 4-week program with Me and my team.  The first 2 weeks is classroom, going through all our
technology, procedures, departments and how they work.  We also spend a lot going through fitting practices that not only we do but what others do as well
so they can explain why we do what we do.  There’s also a healthy dose of product overview.

The second 2 weeks they are actually shadowing ad then ultimately doing live fits at our HQ store under the watchful eye of myself and my team here who are
the best of the best.  

The class sizes range from 1 to 8 people and they start every 2 weeks.  People so fail and never make it to the field and these are people that will fit at other
places you go, but they won’t for Club Champion due to our standards.

It’s not just a one-way system we teach. We teach our fitters how the world does it (Every one of our fitters goes through every brands certification during
training) and then how Club Champion does it and that’s what has fueled our success is having the best people in those bays with you.

 ChristopherMcDonald, on 14 May 2018 - 11:58 AM, said:

Who sees more benefit from being properly fit, a 25 handicap or a 10 handicap?

That is hard to answer accurately. Depends on that person’s goals and struggles and the value they put on it.

I would say in my mind the 25. He has more room for improvement, probably never gone through a great fitting or has and been written off, or followed to
much bad advice.

I will always say, get the fit, you don’t have to buy that day or at all, but see what your leaving on the table.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:10 PM

I have been looking for a new driver to gain some more distance.  I havenít found anything to date that gives me more than a few yards over my taylormade burner tp 2007.  Can club champions help me out?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:12 PM

 PlayingThrough, on 14 May 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

How big of a role does "potential" play into a fitting? Do you side with fitting someone to maximize their current ability or fit them so that the clubs will perform even better when a golfer makes specific changes or improves their ability?

You want to fit for both when needed. That’s why understanding the golfer and his aspirations is so important before even getting into the bay.  

Somebody who isn’t going to work on their game there isn’t much potential to fit for. Somebody working hard on their game there’s a discussion of what might
change down the road and how we can handle that when it comes and what that may or may not cost.

 Oaks, on 14 May 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

What is more beneficial to the average consumer - Proper Iron fitting or Proper Driver Fitting?

Like above posts, hard to say. Have to understand the golfer and where they struggle the most on the course and the type of course the play the most, the shots they like to hit.  That should be happening before you enter a bay. So depending on how that interview or self-reflection goes is how you should know which fit is most beneficial. There’s no silver bullet.

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 cbole22, on 14 May 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

If you have a club fitting and club champion and are unsatisfied with the results can you bring it back in to get refitted or do you need to pay for another fitting? And how long do you have to get refitted from your original fitting date?

No, that is part of our Perfect Fit Guarantee. If you buy clubs built by us, then we will make sure they performed like we agreed in the bay.  If you get out
there and after 3 – 5 rounds and some range sessions if your fitter hasn’t reached out to you to check in and get the feedback, you reach out to them and
they will bring you in to take a look and see what tweaks may need made to get the performance like the day in the bay.  

I always say, all new equipment won’t be instant success, you have to work with them, but then a lot of time it can be instant.  If 6 months goes by it isn’t
working, to say we wouldn’t work with the player, we always will, but the sooner you can bring something to our attention the better, after you have given
them a good chance at doing what they were intended on doing.  

We want happy customers, so we will always strive to work with clients with in logical reason to make them happy with the products we sell them.  Our
track record of hitting the mark the first time or fixing the second time is extremely high and fueled our growth over 20 years.

 blackngold_blood, on 14 May 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

Do you do anything different when fitting a high handicapper vs. a low handicapper?

Not really.  Numbers are numbers on Trackman. Trackman doesn’t know your ability.  

Typically, a low handicapper might be able to give more feedback, but not always.  Sometimes a low handicapper has a little more specific goal than a
high handicapper, but then again, our fitters are prepared to help every ability to the max.


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