Jump to content

Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at GolfWRX such as viewing all the images, interacting with members, access to all forums and eligiblility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

- - - - -

Driven


135 replies to this topic

#31 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:28 PM

View Posthangontight, on 16 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View Postkekoa, on 16 May 2018 - 11:44 AM, said:

The part where they show Mathew Wolff and GG was pretty cool.  Wolff definitely has a peculiar swing, but it is repeatable and flat out works.  This got me thinking.....With all other things being equal, does the looks and mechanics of a player's swing have any bearing on them being picked to be on a team?  For instance Player A has a scoring average of 68 and swings it like Adam Scott.  Player B has a scoring average of 67 and swings it like Jim Furyk.  Which player would be picked?

Great question- would a coach look at Player A and see more growth potential based on more solid (aka normal or pretty) fundamentals.  Anyone who has high level high schoolers or kids in college golf have any experience here in recruiting...heavy?

Every thing equal between the two players, at the end of the day the number they put up is all that matters.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


1

#32 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 16 May 2018 - 01:43 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 16 May 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 16 May 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

stratton nolen, his dad on this forum,  never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation

Why would you be pissed?  The players have to qualify to play.  There is nothing subjective about it.  You either shoot the score or you don't.  If you don't you sit at home.  That is one of the beautiful things about golf.

From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.

You go to a school based on the players, fit, and the education.  Going because of the coach is the wrong reason to go.  My opinion is the kid should have transferred.  There are countless meetings between players and coach individually and as a group.  If his goal was to play he should have asked the coach last year if he could guarantee a spot on the roster.  If he said "No" he should have transferred to play somewhere else.  That isn't on the coach or the program, it is on the player and his parents.

As a former coach, if I have a two kids (one a freshman and one a senior) with equal abilities and shooting the same scores I would play the freshman 100% of the time.

I don't think went because of the coach... Anyway, we don't know the details behind his decisions but I agree about transferring. You being a coach and a coach of a highly recognized d1 school under the spotlight are two different things and decisions are made differently I would imagine.

2

#33 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:09 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 16 May 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 16 May 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

stratton nolen, his dad on this forum,  never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation

Why would you be pissed?  The players have to qualify to play.  There is nothing subjective about it.  You either shoot the score or you don't.  If you don't you sit at home.  That is one of the beautiful things about golf.

From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.

You go to a school based on the players, fit, and the education.  Going because of the coach is the wrong reason to go.  My opinion is the kid should have transferred.  There are countless meetings between players and coach individually and as a group.  If his goal was to play he should have asked the coach last year if he could guarantee a spot on the roster.  If he said "No" he should have transferred to play somewhere else.  That isn't on the coach or the program, it is on the player and his parents.

As a former coach, if I have a two kids (one a freshman and one a senior) with equal abilities and shooting the same scores I would play the freshman 100% of the time.

I don't think went because of the coach... Anyway, we don't know the details behind his decisions but I agree about transferring. You being a coach and a coach of a highly recognized d1 school under the spotlight are two different things and decisions are made differently I would imagine.

I wouldn't think so.  I have went to seminars and know D1 collegiate football and basketball coaches on a personal level.  Every thing equal between a freshman and a senior, the freshman is going to start 99.9% of the time.  More to gain for the coach by starting the freshman.

My daughter wanted to go to a bigger D1 program than where she is at.  The coach told her that she needed to go to the school she eventually selected.  The coach told my daughter she would love to have her as part of the program at the school, offered a little bit of money, but she wouldn't be able to compete for a roster spot until she was probably a junior.  Even then she would be scrapping to play.  I thought that was awesome she told my daughter that.  I have seen her a couple of times since then and have talked and thanked her each time.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 16 May 2018 - 02:13 PM.


3

#34 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:18 PM

Well, things wouldn't be equal between a freshman and senior, maybe same scores but the senior has more experience. From what I've seen the senior players will be chosen over say a freshman given same skill set (which is hard to really compare in golf) the freshman has time to learn the ropes from older guys and grow before. They will get their chance and probably play better from all they learned in meantime.

You get be put in the game too early and can be worse in long run just the same as it helping you out, safer the way I mentioned above

Edited by Redjeep83, 16 May 2018 - 02:20 PM.


4

#35 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 16 May 2018 - 03:31 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

Well, things wouldn't be equal between a freshman and senior, maybe same scores but the senior has more experience. From what I've seen the senior players will be chosen over say a freshman given same skill set (which is hard to really compare in golf) the freshman has time to learn the ropes from older guys and grow before. They will get their chance and probably play better from all they learned in meantime.

You get be put in the game too early and can be worse in long run just the same as it helping you out, safer the way I mentioned above

If you have a freshman playing on that high of a level, he is better than the senior.  He has played in enough junior events nationally, men's state amateurs, national am events, USGA events, qualifiers, etc. that he has as much experience as that senior.  Has played with other players just as good or better already.  In terms of the psyche of the freshman that will be there another 1-3 years it is better to play him because in all tense and purposes the senior is already gone.  It will benefit the confidence of the freshman and trust within the coach.

Edited by heavy_hitter, 16 May 2018 - 03:32 PM.


5

#36 caniac6

caniac6

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,133 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 222453
  • Joined: 01/17/2013
  • Location:Winston-Salem,NC
  • Handicap:4
GolfWRX Likes : 2100

Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:12 PM

It looked like a show about kids majoring in golf. Not very interesting to me.

6

#37 squarre

squarre

    Tour Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 890 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 2621
  • Joined: 07/14/2005
  • Location:Atlanta, GA
  • Ebay ID:squarre
GolfWRX Likes : 42

Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:24 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

stratton nolen, his dad on this forum,  never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation

He played his sophomore year, but hasn’t played much since that year.  He was 1st team All Big 12 that year and made some All American teams.

I certainly don’t know any details on his play since then, but I find it hard to believe the coach isn’t putting his best lineup on the course.
Ping Anser 8.5 GD AD-BB
Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 15 Blueboard
Titleist 913H 19*
Ping I E1 4-9 Nippon Modus 120
Ping Glide 47 & 52
Vokey SM5 56 & 60
Cameron IBBF Laguna 2.5

7

#38 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:58 AM

btw- I'm just bringing up what Stratton's dad has said on this site. He said Stratton had been putting up scores better than the other players leading up to events and doesn't get chosen to play, this was in years past. I guess this happened often so that is where my info is coming from. You guys saying you can't believe the coach wouldn't play the best lineup at the time, well go check out stattons dads thread and give it a read from someone who actually has a player on the team...

Edited by Redjeep83, 17 May 2018 - 08:59 AM.


8

#39 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:46 AM

straight from the source,,give it a read and then make your opinions


http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13529522

http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13526618

9

#40 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 10:59 AM

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

straight from the source,,give it a read and then make your opinions


http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13529522

http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13526618

Just seems bitter to me.  This was from 2 years ago.  Should have transferred then if the kid was telling dad the truth and he wanted to play.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


10

#41 ANG

ANG

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 177 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 56932
  • Joined: 05/31/2008
GolfWRX Likes : 59

Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

11

#42 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:22 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

straight from the source,,give it a read and then make your opinions


http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13529522

http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry13526618

Just seems bitter to me.  This was from 2 years ago.  Should have transferred then if the kid was telling dad the truth and he wanted to play.

well it's just the way things go..real world. Like I mentioned before, we don't know all the details and seems his Dad kept him in the right mind frame to stay there if he wanted. I'm sure he had his reasons to stay

12

#43 iteachgolf

iteachgolf

    Legend

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,640 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 14489
  • Joined: 04/30/2006
  • Location:Jacksonville, FL
GolfWRX Likes : 6345

Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

Itís also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isnít necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but Iíve seen it happen many times.

13

#44 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:45 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

It's also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isn't necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but I've seen it happen many times.

I agree.  At most places that is not true at all.  More to gain for the coach and the program for the freshman to get his feet wet as early as possible.

14

#45 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 01:53 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

It's also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isn't necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but I've seen it happen many times.

I agree.  At most places that is not true at all.  More to gain for the coach and the program for the freshman to get his feet wet as early as possible.

I don't think its the case where the freshman is going to start over the senior every time, sure I would agree about getting some experience. It's going to vary, coach's change lineups all the time and throw freshman in to get experience for awhile. Pretty much happens with any sports teams, nba etc. When it comes playoff time they put the guys with experience in though

Edited by Redjeep83, 17 May 2018 - 01:54 PM.


15

#46 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:01 PM

an example, the bears got a top rated 2nd pick quarterback in the draft last year but didn't start him even though he was way better than the veteran qb they picked up. They started a crappy veteran over him so that Mitch could learn the ropes before being thrown in. They wanted to go a year before putting Mitch in so he could learn the big stage. This didn't quite happen because they were losing every game with him and eventually put Mitch in. NFL teams do this alot

16

#47 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:10 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

It's also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isn't necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but I've seen it happen many times.

I agree.  At most places that is not true at all.  More to gain for the coach and the program for the freshman to get his feet wet as early as possible.

I don't think its the case where the freshman is going to start over the senior every time, sure I would agree about getting some experience. It's going to vary, coach's change lineups all the time and throw freshman in to get experience for awhile. Pretty much happens with any sports teams, nba etc. When it comes playoff time they put the guys with experience in though

I decided to look up Oklahoma State stats.  Stats do not lie.  Stratton had the WORST tournament average on the team this year at 77.9 through 8 rounds.  Freshman Matthew Wolf had a 69.97 average which was second best on the team with three T2 finishes.  Tyson Reeder left school early.  Austin Eckroat, the other freshman, averaged 71.76 with a win.  Eckroat had the 8th best scoring average on the team.  Coach took the Freshmen over the Seniors even though they were equal.  You can't argue with the success the team has had this year.  Looking at the stats, this has nothing to do with the height of the player and everything to do with scores.

http://okstate.com/d...ts.pdf?id=17026

17

#48 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:11 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

an example, the bears got a top rated 2nd pick quarterback in the draft last year but didn't start him even though he was way better than the veteran qb they picked up. They started a crappy veteran over him so that Mitch could learn the ropes before being thrown in. They wanted to go a year before putting Mitch in so he could learn the big stage. This didn't quite happen because they were losing every game with him and eventually put Mitch in. NFL teams do this alot

The QB position at the NFL level is apples and oranges to any other sport or any other position on the football field.  Very poor comparison.

18

#49 kekoa

kekoa

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 7,744 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 66944
  • Joined: 10/02/2008
  • Location:in the hole
  • Handicap:4-20
GolfWRX Likes : 1641

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:16 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

It's also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isn't necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but I've seen it happen many times.

I agree.  At most places that is not true at all.  More to gain for the coach and the program for the freshman to get his feet wet as early as possible.

I don't think its the case where the freshman is going to start over the senior every time, sure I would agree about getting some experience. It's going to vary, coach's change lineups all the time and throw freshman in to get experience for awhile. Pretty much happens with any sports teams, nba etc. When it comes playoff time they put the guys with experience in though

I decided to look up Oklahoma State stats.  Stats do not lie.  Stratton had the WORST tournament average on the team this year at 77.9 through 8 rounds.  Freshman Matthew Wolf had a 69.97 average which was second best on the team with three T2 finishes.  Tyson Reeder left school early.  Austin Eckroat, the other freshman, averaged 71.76 with a win.  Eckroat had the 8th best scoring average on the team.  Coach took the Freshmen over the Seniors even though they were equal.  You can't argue with the success the team has had this year.  Looking at the stats, this has nothing to do with the height of the player and everything to do with scores.

http://okstate.com/d...ts.pdf?id=17026

Wow.  Looks like Stratton's scoring average is well above the other players.  Good info HH.  After seeing the stats, It seems a bit odd that they were playing the height card.  Needless to say, Stratton seems like a great kid and I hope he gets in the lineup soon.

Edited by kekoa, 17 May 2018 - 03:18 PM.

Taylormade M3 GD DI
Taylormade Aeroburnder 3&5 GD DI
Taylormade UDI 1,2 & 3
Miura CB-57 BB (5-PW)
Scratch TD DW 53*, 58*
Taylormade Hi Toe 60*
Odyssey 1WS

19

#50 MadGolfer76

MadGolfer76

    Admiration is the state furthest from understanding.

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,717 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 89700
  • Joined: 07/26/2009
  • Location:Maine
GolfWRX Likes : 9777

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:17 PM

Coach's prerogative, guys.

Titleist 915D3 9.5/Diamana Whiteboard 63
??
Mizuno Mp-4 3-Pw/Dynamic Gold s300
Mizuno T7 52, 58/Dynamic Gold s300
Scotty Cameron Futura X7
Bridgestone Tour B XS

WITB

Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

20

#51 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:26 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 May 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View PostANG, on 17 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Two kids playing at the same level, one a freshman one a senior, the senior will always get the spot.  Now if they are playing for the individual, the freshman will always get the spot.

Not true at many places

It's also true the plenty of times the guy who finishes 5th in Qualifying isn't necessarily the player who gets to travel with the team.  Each team is different but I've seen it happen many times.

I agree.  At most places that is not true at all.  More to gain for the coach and the program for the freshman to get his feet wet as early as possible.

I don't think its the case where the freshman is going to start over the senior every time, sure I would agree about getting some experience. It's going to vary, coach's change lineups all the time and throw freshman in to get experience for awhile. Pretty much happens with any sports teams, nba etc. When it comes playoff time they put the guys with experience in though

I decided to look up Oklahoma State stats.  Stats do not lie.  Stratton had the WORST tournament average on the team this year at 77.9 through 8 rounds.  Freshman Matthew Wolf had a 69.97 average which was second best on the team with three T2 finishes.  Tyson Reeder left school early.  Austin Eckroat, the other freshman, averaged 71.76 with a win.  Eckroat had the 8th best scoring average on the team.  Coach took the Freshmen over the Seniors even though they were equal.  You can't argue with the success the team has had this year.  Looking at the stats, this has nothing to do with the height of the player and everything to do with scores.

http://okstate.com/d...ts.pdf?id=17026

I'm not talking about this year, you realize the comments from stattons dad thread are from spring 2016... You know the year  he had the lowest average on the entire team, lol

http://okstate.com/d...ats.pdf?id=9279

You guys are right, stats don't like.

He probably lost heart and gave up...

21

#52 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:31 PM

View Postkekoa, on 17 May 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:


Wow.  Looks like Stratton's scoring average is well above the other players.  Good info HH.  After seeing the stats, It seems a bit odd that they were playing the height card.  Needless to say, Stratton seems like a great kid and I hope he gets in the lineup soon.

Yep.  2015-2016 he was the best player on the team with a 71.88 scoring average and won the Big 12 Championship Individual title.  Next two years he has the worst average on the team.  Numbers don't lie.  Height and coaching changes had nothing to do with it.  At the end of the day it is about performance.

22

#53 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:



I'm not talking about this year, you realize the comments from stattons dad thread are from spring 2016... You know the year  he had the lowest average on the entire team, lol

http://okstate.com/d...ats.pdf?id=9279

You guys are right, stats don't like.

He probably lost heart and gave up...

2016-2017 he had the worst average on the team.  How is that losing heart?  Numbers don't lie.  Had nothing to do with height.

23

#54 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:39 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

I'm not talking about this year, you realize the comments from stattons dad thread are from spring 2016... You know the year  he had the lowest average on the entire team, lol

http://okstate.com/d...ats.pdf?id=9279

You guys are right, stats don't like.

He probably lost heart and gave up...

2016-2017 he had the worst average on the team.  How is that losing heart?  Numbers don't lie.  Had nothing to do with height.

What do you mean how is that losing heart??? This happened AFTER he had the lowest average on the team and wasn't played fairly according to his dad.

24

#55 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:50 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

I'm not talking about this year, you realize the comments from stattons dad thread are from spring 2016... You know the year  he had the lowest average on the entire team, lol

http://okstate.com/d...ats.pdf?id=9279

You guys are right, stats don't like.

He probably lost heart and gave up...

2016-2017 he had the worst average on the team.  How is that losing heart?  Numbers don't lie.  Had nothing to do with height.

What do you mean how is that losing heart??? This happened AFTER he had the lowest average on the team and wasn't played fairly according to his dad.

ACCORDING to his DAD!!!!  

If the kid was putting up numbers he plays.  A coach is going to take the kids he thinks he has the best shot winning at.  The kid played in 6 tournaments and had the worst average.  Numbers don't lie.  If he lost heart, that is on him.  I want a man that is mentally tough and that isn't mentally tough.  In my mind he didn't show any perseverance.


25

#56 kekoa

kekoa

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 7,744 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 66944
  • Joined: 10/02/2008
  • Location:in the hole
  • Handicap:4-20
GolfWRX Likes : 1641

Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:56 PM

Man, you guys are brutal.
Taylormade M3 GD DI
Taylormade Aeroburnder 3&5 GD DI
Taylormade UDI 1,2 & 3
Miura CB-57 BB (5-PW)
Scratch TD DW 53*, 58*
Taylormade Hi Toe 60*
Odyssey 1WS

26

#57 CheckJV

CheckJV

    Male Model

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 1,880 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 93640
  • Joined: 09/03/2009
GolfWRX Likes : 717

Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:03 PM

View PostBelmont148, on 16 May 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 16 May 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 16 May 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

stratton nolen, his dad on this forum,  never gets any play time. I haven't seen him get much play time his entire 4 years. I would be kinda pissed in his situation

Why would you be pissed?  The players have to qualify to play.  There is nothing subjective about it.  You either shoot the score or you don't.  If you don't you sit at home.  That is one of the beautiful things about golf.

From what I've read from people and his dad, he has put up the scores etc but still hasn't got much playing time, mostly because of his size and its been frustrating. The coach that recruited him left his freshman year.

He could have transferred. Obviously it's a decision of ride the bench on a championship team, or get to play a lot for a top 25 somewhere.

Bryan Edwards chose the Gamecocks in football here as he wanted to be the top receiver at a mediocre school instead play 2nd WR or CB at Clemson and win championships. Just have to weigh the pros/cons.

Bryan Edwards chose a school of high academic standards (SEC honor roll) where he will go on to graduate and in the future all those “championship” level Clemson football players will work for Bryan and call him boss.

27

#58 Redjeep83

Redjeep83

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,536 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 115910
  • Joined: 10/08/2010
GolfWRX Likes : 667

Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:10 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 17 May 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

I'm not talking about this year, you realize the comments from stattons dad thread are from spring 2016... You know the year  he had the lowest average on the entire team, lol

http://okstate.com/d...ats.pdf?id=9279

You guys are right, stats don't like.

He probably lost heart and gave up...

2016-2017 he had the worst average on the team.  How is that losing heart?  Numbers don't lie.  Had nothing to do with height.

What do you mean how is that losing heart??? This happened AFTER he had the lowest average on the team and wasn't played fairly according to his dad.

ACCORDING to his DAD!!!!  

If the kid was putting up numbers he plays.  A coach is going to take the kids he thinks he has the best shot winning at.  The kid played in 6 tournaments and had the worst average.  Numbers don't lie.  If he lost heart, that is on him.  I want a man that is mentally tough and that isn't mentally tough.  In my mind he didn't show any perseverance.

yea and his dad was right,, there is no question you will get looked over more when you are 5'5" and aren't a long hitter compared to the other guys on team who are taller and longer hitters. I would do the same thing, its not all about score and numbers being put up like you guys are saying.

Even when he had the lowest average on the team, he was picked over for events to play in. Those comments from his dad are from spring 2016, the year when he had the lowest average on the team and was skipped over for many events. His dad's reasons are very valid

28

#59 MadGolfer76

MadGolfer76

    Admiration is the state furthest from understanding.

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,717 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 89700
  • Joined: 07/26/2009
  • Location:Maine
GolfWRX Likes : 9777

Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:18 PM

Lots of dynamics going on with coaching a golf team at that level, guys. Not everything is about what is on paper. Kid could have been late to practices, in danger of failing academics, being confrontational with other players and staff, not listening to the coach, etc. Not saying any of that is true, but there are always circumstances that aren't public. Could be it is easier to tell dad some lame reason than be accountable for something tangible. Gotta give professional people the benefit of the doubt when things look too stupid to be believable.

Edited by MadGolfer76, 17 May 2018 - 04:19 PM.

Titleist 915D3 9.5/Diamana Whiteboard 63
??
Mizuno Mp-4 3-Pw/Dynamic Gold s300
Mizuno T7 52, 58/Dynamic Gold s300
Scotty Cameron Futura X7
Bridgestone Tour B XS

WITB

29

#60 heavy_hitter

heavy_hitter

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,246 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 366715
  • Joined: 03/16/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 1697

Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:24 PM

View PostMadGolfer76, on 17 May 2018 - 04:18 PM, said:

Lots of dynamics going on with coaching a golf team at that level, guys. Not everything is about what is on paper. Kid could have been late to practices, in danger of failing academics, being confrontational with other players and staff, not listening to the coach, etc. Not saying any of that is true, but there are always circumstances that aren't public. Could be it is easier to tell dad some lame reason than be accountable for something tangible. Gotta give professional people the benefit of the doubt when things look too stupid to be believable.

Yes sir.  I can tell you from first hand knowledge that this happens.

If the kid and family didn't like it, they should have transferred.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

30



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

GolfWRX Sponsors