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#1 IIvudooII

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501’s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

     You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MC’s.

      I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 02:43 AM

Yes, there is going back. Then going back again, and a few more times back and forth.

I like thin-ish soles and low-sh offset for how I strike the ball, but I'm already a natural high spin player and very seldomly try to work the ball sideways, only trajectory, so for me blades make little sense. I've played forged CB's most of my life, but recently switched to the P790's that are a lower spin more forgiving iron but still relatively little offset and not too wide soles. Life on the course has never been more pleasant for me!

Not the slightest interested in going back to something that may provide more feel and workability right now, but give me a few more long winters to overthink things and I may change my mind. :-)

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:21 AM

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

     You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MCs.

      I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MBs, Cbs, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

Continuing the metaphor, I hope you never find her hiding in someone elses bushes.

Im always happier when I go back to my old blades. If I had any sense, Id just play them all the time.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:01 AM

Once you have flushed a bladed long iron nothing will ever be the same again. It make take a while to do it again, but it will be logged in the memory bank.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:05 AM

I play blades cause my misses ALWAYS stop short of the trouble. Like Kramer and Frank Costanza, thats my move: I stop short!

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 06:48 AM

 Bye, on 03 May 2018 - 04:01 AM, said:

Once you have flushed a bladed long iron nothing will ever be the same again. It make take a while to do it again, but it will be logged in the memory bank.

That feeling of a flush bladed iron is what sucks you in, it's intoxicating
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:17 AM

 Bye, on 03 May 2018 - 04:01 AM, said:

Once you have flushed a bladed long iron nothing will ever be the same again. It make take a while to do it again, but it will be logged in the memory bank.
That's the truth. When you can do it multiple times a day at the driving range it becomes an addiction. When you draw the iron out of your bag to save you from a short drive and utter the small prayer at address before turning on the smooth swing, then you have entered the religious stage. The buttery click will be the thing of dreams.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:20 AM

youuu rannnggg!?


in other news im thinking of ordering a 4-7 hybrid , a 40 ft ball retriever and a pull cart... really close to giving up on life...lol

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:30 AM

 bladehunter, on 03 May 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

youuu rannnggg!?


in other news im thinking of ordering a 4-7 hybrid , a 40 ft ball retriever and a pull cart... really close to giving up on life...lol
Good heavens! Just get a heaven wood and a divine nine and call it a day. Those two clubs apparently solve everything.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:39 AM

For whatever reason my brain is convinced I can strike the ball better with blades. I'll go to a forgiving iron for a while and then eye ball every blade iron I see till I can't stand it anymore.

I play better with them because I THINK I can play better with them.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:40 AM

 Sir Slicealot, on 03 May 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 03 May 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

youuu rannnggg!?


in other news im thinking of ordering a 4-7 hybrid , a 40 ft ball retriever and a pull cart... really close to giving up on life...lol
Good heavens! Just get a heaven wood and a divine nine and call it a day. Those two clubs apparently solve everything.

Ely Would solve them even more thoroughly.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:48 AM

From my experience call it 7i to W there is minimal difference between blades or forgiving clubs.

However, once you get to the 165-225 range, which every strokes gained guru has said is the key spot to lowering scores, you'll find out real quick how good you are.

205 yard par 3 over water, here's a blade 4 iron and 10 balls, lets see whatcha got.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 08:10 AM

 Petunia Sprinkle, on 03 May 2018 - 03:21 AM, said:

Continuing the metaphor, I hope you never find her hiding in someone else's bushes.
I'm always happier when I go back to my old blades. If I had any sense, I'd just play them all the time.

 bcsquare, on 03 May 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:

That feeling of a flush bladed iron is what sucks you in, it's intoxicating

 MrJones, on 03 May 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back?

Yes, there is going back.

There is no question or doubt blades feel better on good strikes.  The problem is whether you care about score or feel.  Its not bad to care about feel more, but your golf score is determined by how good your worst strikes end up not your best ones.  Equipment (assuming your goal is the lowest score possible) should mitigate bad strikes not optimize good ones.

People who play blade irons without the chops tend to blame themselves for the bad shots and give the blades credit for the good ones.

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

Because the key to playing golf at or below par is no doubles or worse.  You can bogey holes, but once the doubles start you can't win an event or post a really strong round.  Even though forgiving irons are more muted (and they are) they also go much straighter and farther on mishits.  Assuming you aimed to keep trouble out of play, this is a strong key to avoiding doubles.

You don't shoot great golf rounds and win tournaments by sniping pins with deadly accurate clubs.  That's a myth.  You do it by hitting green after green and never making double bogey.  GI clubs (maybe not SGI, but GI - Apex Pro, J40 DPC, Mizzy SC, etc...) are very good at hitting the fringe on poor swings aimed at the middle of the green.

Blades are a tough go because one bad swing can undo five good ones during an actual round.

This IMO of course.  The feel of blade is awesome, and if its worth it to lose the forgiveness and bring some doubles in for that feeling have at it!  But to answer the OP's question, that's why I do not play blades and never will.  A thin topline player's CB has most of the advantages and doesn't have the MASSIVE disadvantage of a toe hit going half as far.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 08:28 AM

 bladehunter, on 03 May 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

youuu rannnggg!?


in other news im thinking of ordering a 4-7 hybrid , a 40 ft ball retriever and a pull cart... really close to giving up on life...lol

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 09:22 AM

 pinestreetgolf, on 03 May 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

[You don't shoot great golf rounds and win tournaments by sniping pins with deadly accurate clubs.  That's a myth.  

I know what you were trying to say there around not making doubles, but to clarify deadly accurate clubs is exactly why the best are the best.

Mark Broadie was on NLU talking about Tiger's game in his prime and what was his strongest strokes gained area. Most people would say his putting first, then driving, but in actuality it was his approach game. He would be gaining nearly 8 strokes on the field just with approaches over the course of a tournament. That's off the charts good.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 09:29 AM

 pinestreetgolf, on 03 May 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

 MrJones, on 03 May 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back?

Yes, there is going back.

There is no question or doubt blades feel better on good strikes.  The problem is whether you care about score or feel.  Its not bad to care about feel more, but your golf score is determined by how good your worst strikes end up not your best ones.  Equipment (assuming your goal is the lowest score possible) should mitigate bad strikes not optimize good ones.

People who play blade irons without the chops tend to blame themselves for the bad shots and give the blades credit for the good ones.

Just want to point out that you've misquoted me here. Don't know why.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 09:32 AM

 pinestreetgolf, on 03 May 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

There is no question or doubt blades feel better on good strikes.

Et, tu? I hope this is one of those gray absolutes.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 09:48 AM

Regardless of how many blade threads we have here someone will always start a new one.  At least this one goes straight to the emotion of the matter with the unveiled sexual innuendo.  Well done! :rolleyes:
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 10:53 AM

 gators78, on 03 May 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

205 yard par 3 over water, here's a blade 4 iron and 10 balls, lets see whatcha got.
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:05 AM

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501’s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

     You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MC’s.

      I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

In my experience and in theory, forgiveness is a carney sham(e).  A blade and MB design is superior to a "forgiving" design in all ways for all golfers of all skill levels.  Just about every supposed "forgiving feature" in a "forgiving" head design is based on a completely false assumption.  And the more "game improvement" the club, the worse it gets.  It's a carney sham(e).  Bank on it.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:21 AM

My barn clubs are a jumble, but I hit a lot of balls with '74 Hogan's, pre 1970 Haig's, a couple of Mizuno's and a G30 Ping.  My experience has been that a well struck shot feels good.  Cast, GI irons feel different than my old Haig's, but they feel good when I hit them good.  The danger with playing blade type irons is that if you do not have the chops, you will find yourself trying to steer the club, rather than just making your swing.  I usually stay out of these threads, but I absolutely endorse what Pine had to say.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:21 AM

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501’s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MC’s.

  I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

In my experience and in theory, forgiveness is a carney sham(e).  A blade and MB design is superior to a "forgiving" design in all ways for all golfers of all skill levels.  Just about every supposed "forgiving feature" in a "forgiving" head design is based on a completely false assumption.  And the more "game improvement" the club, the worse it gets.  It's a carney sham(e).  Bank on it.

Realizing this will derail the thread, I have to ask...

"In theory, forgiveness is a carney sham."

What's your definition of "forgiveness?"

And what is this "false assumption" of which you speak?

If I'm going to "bank on it," I gotta know!

Edited by rawdog, 03 May 2018 - 11:22 AM.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:24 AM

Dear blades,
I thought I was skilled enough to use you, but that was just an ego slip. I now am having great success with my gi irons. Bye!

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#24 DeNinny

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:28 AM

 rawdog, on 03 May 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501’s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

     You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MC’s.

      I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

In my experience and in theory, forgiveness is a carney sham(e).  A blade and MB design is superior to a "forgiving" design in all ways for all golfers of all skill levels.  Just about every supposed "forgiving feature" in a "forgiving" head design is based on a completely false assumption.  And the more "game improvement" the club, the worse it gets.  It's a carney sham(e).  Bank on it.

Realizing this will derail the thread, I have to ask...

"In theory, forgiveness is a carney sham."

What's your definition of "forgiveness?"

And what is this "false assumption" of which you speak?

If I'm going to "bank on it," I gotta know!

No problem.  Just give me some time.  LOL and get ready for a long post.
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#25 rawdog

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:30 AM

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

 rawdog, on 03 May 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 IIvudooII, on 03 May 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

I am making the leap from very forgiving irons to the MIURA MC501’s. My fascination with forged, blade type irons began with a single session I had with a muscle back. At that time, I knew I was not good enough to play these irons but the pure feel of the club always stood with me.

You could take a v6 and add everything imaginable to make it feel like a v8, but you know with every mod that you cannot replicate the vibration, the feel. I eventually got my v8, as I am now moving on to these beautiful MC’s.

  I want to hear from some of you. I know I made the right choice. Even at the expense of losing a little distance, the confidence I feel when I strike these clubs is beyond words. It is like finally sleeping with the right woman. Your body has a way of synchronizing itself with what your head is already telling you. I mean, is there going back? Tell me why you fellas play MB’s, Cb’s, blade types, when there are various more forgiving options available?

In my experience and in theory, forgiveness is a carney sham(e).  A blade and MB design is superior to a "forgiving" design in all ways for all golfers of all skill levels.  Just about every supposed "forgiving feature" in a "forgiving" head design is based on a completely false assumption.  And the more "game improvement" the club, the worse it gets.  It's a carney sham(e).  Bank on it.

Realizing this will derail the thread, I have to ask...

"In theory, forgiveness is a carney sham."

What's your definition of "forgiveness?"

And what is this "false assumption" of which you speak?

If I'm going to "bank on it," I gotta know!

No problem.  Just give me some time.  LOL and get ready for a long post.

All good. Take your time. All views are welcome, no matter how long they are...

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:50 AM

 Sir Slicealot, on 03 May 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 gators78, on 03 May 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

205 yard par 3 over water, here's a blade 4 iron and 10 balls, lets see whatcha got.
Can we!?! Can we!?! That's one of my favorite clubs! Is this going to be a 205 to the pin or a carry over water?
I am in on this as well. May be a Hard 5.

Edited by justasgood, 03 May 2018 - 11:50 AM.


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#27 Nessism

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:18 PM

 rawdog, on 03 May 2018 - 11:30 AM, said:

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

 rawdog, on 03 May 2018 - 11:21 AM, said:

 DeNinny, on 03 May 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:


In my experience and in theory, forgiveness is a carney sham(e).  A blade and MB design is superior to a "forgiving" design in all ways for all golfers of all skill levels.  Just about every supposed "forgiving feature" in a "forgiving" head design is based on a completely false assumption.  And the more "game improvement" the club, the worse it gets.  It's a carney sham(e).  Bank on it.

Realizing this will derail the thread, I have to ask...

"In theory, forgiveness is a carney sham."

What's your definition of "forgiveness?"

And what is this "false assumption" of which you speak?

If I'm going to "bank on it," I gotta know!

No problem.  Just give me some time.  LOL and get ready for a long post.

All good. Take your time. All views are welcome, no matter how long they are...

You're taking the bait.  Hook, line, and sinker.  You may as well take your sand wedge and bang your head with it now to save time.

Edited by Nessism, 03 May 2018 - 01:07 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:20 PM

 NRJyzr, on 03 May 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 03 May 2018 - 07:20 AM, said:

youuu rannnggg!?




in other news im thinking of ordering a 4-7 hybrid , a 40 ft ball retriever and a pull cart... really close to giving up on life...lol

Trying to turn your game into anti-aircraft fire?  :)

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 justasgood, on 03 May 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

 Sir Slicealot, on 03 May 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 gators78, on 03 May 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

205 yard par 3 over water, here's a blade 4 iron and 10 balls, lets see whatcha got.
Can we!?! Can we!?! That's one of my favorite clubs! Is this going to be a 205 to the pin or a carry over water?
I am in on this as well. May be a Hard 5.

I started to ask what the wind was doing to make a club choice. But thought Better of it. Until I saw someone beat me to it.  Lol.

Edited by bladehunter, 03 May 2018 - 12:20 PM.

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:21 PM

 justasgood, on 03 May 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

 Sir Slicealot, on 03 May 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 gators78, on 03 May 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

205 yard par 3 over water, here's a blade 4 iron and 10 balls, lets see whatcha got.
Can we!?! Can we!?! That's one of my favorite clubs! Is this going to be a 205 to the pin or a carry over water?
I am in on this as well. May be a Hard 5.
That's what I'm thinking. That four onto the green just isn't going to stop as well as that five, but the man said, "here's a blade four iron and ten balls, let's see whatcha got." So you take five and I take five? Or you want me to enjoy all ten? I'm bringing my MP-4 DgS300. "Whatcha got?" Or is it a surprise supplied blade. Fair warning: If you bring an iblade, I'm throwing it and you in the water and saving the balls for when you try to come out.

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#30 bladehunter

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

 MrJones, on 03 May 2018 - 07:39 AM, said:

For whatever reason my brain is convinced I can strike the ball better with blades. I'll go to a forgiving iron for a while and then eye ball every blade iron I see till I can't stand it anymore.

I play better with them because I THINK I can play better with them.

If you think you can play better with them .... you can.  And if you think you cant.  You cant. Thats the absolute to this entire debate.

Edited by bladehunter, 03 May 2018 - 12:25 PM.

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