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Turf toe/ hallux limitus/ big toe arthritis and golf


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#31 Justsomeguy

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 09:05 PM

Use the info and avoid purines and aspirin. Stick it out for 2 weeks and reevaluate.

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 11:28 AM

I have now used the X1 Blade insert from Indiana Brace for a couple of riding 18's, couple of range sessions, and a walking 9.  It is helping a lot.  It should eliminate the ordeal of looking for  special shoes IMO. But even though it is only about the thickness of 2 or 3 business cards, it does take up a noticeable space in the shoe by virtue of its built in rocker curve.  It flexes of course, but the curve still wants to be there.  So I'm planning on buying a roomier pair of shoes, which were probably needed in any case.

If you buy one, you have to talk to the company owner, who I think is some sort of practitioner, and a golfer.  He will ask you about your problem and recommend the exact model.  And will try to get your size nailed down based on the shoe brand and size you use.  It's not cheap but it's very promising for me.
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Posted 28 May 2018 - 08:09 PM

Two weeks into things and it's been interesting.  The blood chemistry found absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and only the recommendation was to add things back into the diet one at a time to see if there is a trigger.  So far, the only trigger has been watching Roy Rodgers re-runs.  Had 2 beers on Saturday...no response.

Walked 72 holes this weekend with 2 different shoe sizes and that's worked well.  Have iced it down post round and wore a corrective device for the toe overnight.  Not sure where this is going but it's a helluva lot better than it was.

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Posted 28 May 2018 - 09:21 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 28 May 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Two weeks into things and it's been interesting.  The blood chemistry found absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and only the recommendation was to add things back into the diet one at a time to see if there is a trigger.  So far, the only trigger has been watching Roy Rodgers re-runs.  Had 2 beers on Saturday...no response.

Walked 72 holes this weekend with 2 different shoe sizes and that's worked well.  Have iced it down post round and wore a corrective device for the toe overnight.  Not sure where this is going but it's a helluva lot better than it was.
2 different size shoes sounds like the ticket.
Side note - I've got the bad big toe in the same foot as plantar fasciitis, and I recently picked up some freezy socks - basically ice packs built into socks - and they work absolutely awesome.
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 03:34 PM

OP here.  Still hurting and still trying to solve it.  Thought I’d bump to get more thoughts.

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Posted 08 February 2019 - 01:35 PM

I want to report on what has and has not helped.

Soft comfy shoes, such as Ecco Biom Hybrid 3, do not help.  My toe is more aggravated by the golf swing than by walking.  Although walking by itself can contribute to the problem, and walking golf is a double whammy.  To fix it, I need stiff soles, to minimize the bending and stress on the right big toe during the swing.

I don't think there is a pair of golf shoes made that is going to be stiff enough to do what I am looking for.

I tried a pair of stiff soled hiking boots, and they worked.  My toe was not aggravated by walking golf.  But they don't fit me right, so I need to find another brand.  Still, this is the most promising thing I can report.

Based on how various sneakers of mine work or don't work for non-golf walking, I am going to try a running shoe with a rocker sole.  Hoka brand, probably.  They offer two different types of rocker.  One they call early stage rocker, and the other is late stage rocker.  Based on my reading, the early stage is more appropriate for people with toe problems. It puts the pivot point rearward of the toe.  But I am going to try both styles in the store and make an educated guess.  They are fairly hideous to wear on a course, and not waterproof, but we'll see.  Plus, I think they will still let the toe flex too much during the swing.

Whatever I wear for walking always needs better arch support.  I've been using felt pads made for the purpose, and the better ones let you peel off layers of felt to get the lift to be just right.  I've saved a few pairs of street shoes this way.  I'm also going to experiment with Sole brand insoles to get the right arch support without adding heel lift.  The other brands I've looked into caused the heel to be higher inside the shoe, which never goes well for me.

Based on searches here, I think this problem affects a good number of golfers, and I am a little surprised some company is not offering a shoe for it.  Even if it was $200 or more, if it truly worked, I'm in.

Oh, edit to add:  The thin graphite inserts from Indiana Brace Co. didn't work, but I have not quite figured out why.  Possibly I need to add arch support.  Maybe they kept the toe from bending, but it still wasn't properly supported.  Also, they were cutting into the inside of my shoe.  I might have to trim them.  This will all be looked at this spring when I am back in Illinois.

Edited by Snowman9000, 08 February 2019 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:43 AM

I went back to a different pair of sneakers, and everything cooled off to  normal base levels of pain, no longer super pain.
NB tennies caused the flare up.
Went back to Asics Kayanos, back to normal.
They're basically running shoes for chubby people, amazing padding, good toe box.
Takeaway: try completely different footwear. Whatever you use now, ditch it, and give something else a shot for a couple months.
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:57 AM

View PostGolfSchticky, on 03 May 2018 - 07:13 AM, said:

I see Hallux Limitus/Rigidus in my practice on a daily basis. I have found the best clinical outcomes by using a good rockersole shoe in conjunction with the X1 Blade for Turf Toe from www.indianabrace.com.

I do not suggest orthotics to my patients with this condition because I find it does not do a good enough job at limiting movement at the 1st metatarsophalangeal joint.

I then normally recommend a topical pain cream pre and post round. Hank Haney’s new VooDoo pain cream looks promising.

To get a decent rockersole shoe you may have to transition into a waterproof hiker or trail running shoe. If your course allows it.

You lost me at Hank Haney! Haha

Maybe go see a Rheumatologist?  They specialize in arthritis. But yeah prob not too much anyone can do for you.

I would try Osteo Bi Flex, it actually helps.

Edited by BB28403, 10 February 2019 - 03:02 AM.


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