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Scuff = Death Sentence?


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#1 Paul Verizer

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:58 PM

So when I get a scuff on my ball I want to stop using it. Not that I think it will effect my play, (maybe it will, I don't know) but mostly because of aesthetics. I'm wondering...
How bad does a ball have to be scuffed before it's considered to be a hinderance for a 14 handicapper?


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:11 PM

If it jeopardizes its putting path, I call it "OUT."
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:31 PM

 flushem, on 23 April 2018 - 04:11 PM, said:

If it jeopardizes its putting path, I call it "OUT."

Was just thinking that putting would be where I might draw the line, too. I don't really "control" my ball flight anyway, so I'm not sure it would make that big of a difference in the air.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 05:07 PM

Honest question
Has their been a study done on the impact 'scuffing' has on a ball's characteristics? Flight, Spin, Roll, Feel?

Subjective tests are welcome - but something with more empirical evidence would be interesting
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 05:20 PM

Depending how it is struck, a scuffed ball is going to deviate in flight, like a scuffed baseball will.

How much? It depends on how big/rough it is, and where the scuff is compared to the axis of rotation -- but it will generally move toward whichever side of the ball the scuff is on.  If you are playing the ball down, you can't control that.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:00 PM

Putting, a scuffed ball is out of balance. So it will not roll true. I scuff one on a hole, its back in the bag for the next hole.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:04 PM

 mjforn, on 23 April 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

Putting, a scuffed ball is out of balance. So it will not roll true. I scuff one on a hole, its back in the bag for the next hole.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:52 PM

I've seen good players shoot even par with balls I wouldn't even consider. Makes me think it's my shallowness of thinking the ball has been compromised rather than any true physical loss of performance.  

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:53 PM

I know for me, if I scuff a ball it will not be teed up on the next hole.  However my brother in law doesn't care about scuffs.  He is more concerned about making it a whole round with one ball.  Would be interesting if there was some data to show if it matters.
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 08:00 PM

Today’s balls are much more durable than the wound balls of yesteryear. I guess there’s a point where a ball has had enough but a scuff from a bounce off a tree or path shouldn’t hurt anything performance wise. Maybe if there’s a tear or chunk of the cover missing that might warrant an immediate replacement.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 08:06 PM

nowadays I will play 36 holes with the same ball. with these new multi piece balls there is absolutely zero degradation in performance over that amount of holes.
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:46 PM

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 23 April 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

nowadays I will play 36 holes with the same ball. with these new multi piece balls there is absolutely zero degradation in performance over that amount of holes.

95% of the posters here can only dream of playing 36 holes without losing a ball.
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 09:53 PM

I figure if a scuff can hurt by moving the ball this way or that way it can also help.  Also if someone steps in my line and I make the putt.  I give them credit for the assist.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:44 PM

I guess if you are playing for big money it might matter, otherwise just play it till it is lost.
Last year I remember playing the same ball for like 5 rounds, then lost it finally ... did not affect my scoring much.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:45 PM

 Steele47, on 23 April 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

I figure if a scuff can hurt by moving the ball this way or that way it can also help.  Also if someone steps in my line and I make the putt.  I give them credit for the assist.

Great answer.

It's funny.

We're hitting a ball that's not round with a club that's not flat onto ground that has all sorts of hills and valleys with all sorts of differing levels of firmness and we're worried about what a "scuff" will do to our shots,,,,,,,,,,  :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Actually one of the (many) great reasons to play the Yellow/black Truvis ball is you can't SEE any scuffs on it !!! :taunt:

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:55 PM

I'll always take:
1) hitting a scuffed ball on the sweet spot with a good swing put on the ball
vs
2) hitting a brand new ball hit all over the club face and not on the sweet spot and with a poor swing.

And I can say with 95% accuracy that 1) will always outperform 2)

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 10:59 PM

This is purely anecdotal, but scuffs don't bother me or my performance really, unless they're absolutely huge.

I try get the most out of my golf balls, and play them until they're beat and battered. Roughly 36 holes or so

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 11:34 PM

 COL_B, on 23 April 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

 Kenny Lee Puckett, on 23 April 2018 - 08:06 PM, said:

nowadays I will play 36 holes with the same ball. with these new multi piece balls there is absolutely zero degradation in performance over that amount of holes.

95% of the posters here can only dream of playing 36 holes without losing a ball.
LOL. Oh, I can do it. But, the ball looks like hell after that. At least two big yellow tree stains...
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:32 AM

Not the etiquette forum I know.. but are you allowed to mark your ball on the green and replace it with one that isn't scuffed?

That's really only the time id care I think.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:20 AM

There actually was a study(Iíll look for it) that stated no real effect on performance from a typical cart path bruise.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:25 AM

If it is a minor scuff I will keep using the ball. If the scuff consists of a burr I will take it out of play.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:27 AM

Good stuff. I'm with #theWRX, I think. I can't really afford to chuck a ball every time it gets a scuff, but if it's really roughed up and burred it goes in the giant Golf Galaxy bag in the garage.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 09:28 AM

 Celeras, on 24 April 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

Not the etiquette forum I know.. but are you allowed to mark your ball on the green and replace it with one that isn't scuffed?

That's really only the time id care I think.

Great question. I'm gonna ask the officials, but for some reason, I'm thinking "not".

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:12 AM

 Celeras, on 24 April 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

Not the etiquette forum I know.. but are you allowed to mark your ball on the green and replace it with one that isn't scuffed?

That's really only the time id care I think.

I'm nowhere near as competent as the experts we have on this site but I believe you MUST play the entire hole out with the same ball UNLESS there is a Rule allowing for substitution of the ball.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:27 AM

One of the driving ranges around me uses balls recovered from the course, so some of them are scuffed beyond recognition.  After hitting a few thousand of them, the only thing i have noticed, is that a badly scuffed ball might lose a few yards of distance off of a driver.

I'm surprised at how some of the ancient, beat to death golf balls seem to fly identically to new balls.  I think the psychological factor of looking at a giant scuff while putting is probably the biggest negative...


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 03:02 PM

My opinion is that if it messes with you mentally, get rid of it. If you're worried that you're going to mess up a shot/putt because of the scuff, then you'll end up messing it up, regardless of whether or not the scuff had anything to do with it.

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 07:51 AM

I always use the same ball for 18 holes unless it's lost, often it only has very minor marks so it doesn't affect me visually. Quite often I'll use the same ball for 2-3 rounds, then it typically joins the others as a ball I will use around the short game area or in practice rounds.

For example I've still got some Lethals knocking around which are 3+ years old with plenty of scuff marks etc and between initial rounds, then extensive short game use plus practice rounds they'd have had hundreds if not thousands of shots hit. I played 9 holes yesterday hitting 2 new balls(Tour B XS & TP5X) plus an old Lethal, there wasn't much in it distance wise or stopping ability or even putting.

I think there's only an issue if the ball is actually split or has spent a long time in water, so it's just a mental thing really. I don't have a room full of 3000 new golf balls, but even if I did I'd probably still have the same habit of using one for a few rounds. I also know plenty of guys who change up 3 times a round just because they hate the look of any marks and it annoys them.

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 10:09 AM

I'll keep a scuffed ball in the play for the rest of the round, at which point it goes in a separate part of my bag that Ill use when I throw down an extra ball (when playing for fun, obviously) or that I will pull out on a hole that I am almost assured to lose a ball on.

More than likely it's getting lost in the same round it got scuffed in so it might as well stay in play.
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Posted 25 April 2018 - 10:38 AM

Played yesterday. Hit my drive on to the cart path (HUGE scuff) on a Par 5. Hit the next shot with a 6 iron to about 8 feet. Next hole is a Par 3. Hit 8 iron and totally missed the green with the same ball. Just my experience but I don't think a scuff matters as much as the swing... Could be wrong.
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Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:28 PM

 nsxguy, on 24 April 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 Celeras, on 24 April 2018 - 12:32 AM, said:

Not the etiquette forum I know.. but are you allowed to mark your ball on the green and replace it with one that isn't scuffed?

That's really only the time id care I think.

I'm nowhere near as competent as the experts we have on this site but I believe you MUST play the entire hole out with the same ball UNLESS there is a Rule allowing for substitution of the ball.

From this rule (http://www.usga.org/...s.html#!rule-05):

A ball is unfit for play if it is visibly cut, cracked or out of shape. A ball is not unfit for play solely because mud or other materials adhere to it, its surface is scratched or scraped or its paint is damaged or discolored.

So, it looks like the USGA doesn't consider a scuff to be significant enough to take the ball out of play during a hole unless there is also a cut in the ball.

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