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#1 00bolt

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:25 PM

lately, I have been very consistent with my golf swing.  So consistent that I can confidently aim at water on the right and know the ball will come back left.  I hit a draw or an over-draw 99% of the time.  But the good news is, i hit the ball pretty well and keep the ball in play and i am confident with my swing.  So I havent been wanting to change anything.  I just play the shot shape and aim right.  But sometimes that uber draw happens and I still miss target left.  

Today on my lunch break, I went to the local golf store, grabbed the first club I saw (a blade none the less) and hit for about 15 mins.  I am not so concerned with the distance (id say carry is fairly close, total is a little high)... But I was a little curious of some of the other numbers so i took a few pics to show a friend.  Basically, this is my standard shot on a course.  Some shots went straight, but majority of them miss left. (hence why i just aim right)

So my question is... is anyone else in the same boat as me?  overall you hit the ball good. make good contact, but miss left alot?  i have tried playing around with minor tweaks like setting up with face slightly open, or changing the grip... putting the ball slightly back in my stance.... but nothing seems to help much.  if i consciously think about not closing the face, it seems like I end up pushing it out right and it never comes back.  should I just play this and keep doing what I am doing and aim right, or should I try and fix the problem?

Going into the new year, it was my golf resolution to not change my swing up this year and just try and play my natural swing and not constantly be working on mechanics like i always have.  figured i might enjoy it a little more that way... but here i am, barely 3 months into the year looking for swing advice lol.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:32 PM

Where does the ball start? Does it start right of the target and end left? Or does it start pretty straight and end up left?
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:35 PM

Generally it starts right and comes back left and just keeps going left.

i have taken lessons in the past with Michael on this site in the past.  Never was very good at sticking to them consistently. my fault, not his...  but i am thinking about just calling him back up and see if i can get this worked out.  I am just hesitant to get new swing thoughts in my mind. I am actually at a pretty good place at the moment in my swing to where I am not standing over the ball thinking of 14 different things.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:54 PM

I would say do nothing.

I would also fail to follow that advice.

Here's the deal—let's say you hit 8.5 GIR right now. If you start tinkering, you won't do any better than 8.5 GIR (average) for a solid year, and you'll wipe out the superlative days you would have had if you had just stuck with what you know.

Confidence over the ball is a fickle thing. If you know you can stand over the ball and make great contact right now—regardless of the side spin—then you are in a great place.

Few things are more damaging to a golfer than being reasonably confident but then making swing changes and being unable to strike the ball with the authority you once had.

I'm currently scraping out ugly 78s with zero confidence and terrible ball striking, and mentally, it's deflating. I am garbage at golf right now, and I hate to see anyone else go down this path of being unhappy with a predictably consistent ball flight.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:59 PM

Reduce how much you're in to out. Swi g down the line more.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:09 PM

I am currently an 8.xx handicap. Goes up or down a few 0.xx each week, but cant seem to get out of the 8s.  My goal is to get to a 5.xx by end of the year and shoot more 70s rounds.  I have committed to working on my short game more and its been improving.  I do think if i could straighten out my approach shots, I could probably drop a couple strokes.  But I agree with what you said, and I am the same way. When my mental game goes (happens easily), my game goes to crap.  And thats what i am scared most of by trying to fix this issue is not being confident and thinking of too many things.  Right now, I feel like for the most part, i have a repeatable swing that I can do pretty much without thinking about a thing.  and thats the first time in my life I have been this way.  problem is, its easy to miss target 15 yards to the left.  and that means trying to get up and down for a par and not 2 putting for par alot more than I would like.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:13 PM

Try more grip pressure on left hand. Bet you don’t close the face and push it 20 yards right.  lol.  

Seriously though. You could adjust grip Minimally and get 10 different flights out of that path.  Surely you can find a straight one. But I’ll tell you this. The straight one is harder to trust.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

Those launch angles need to go down (if you trust the launch monitor) and its a 7 iron. Needs higher spin rates as well.

But without video or path its kind of a shot in the dark as to why you would be over drawing.

From my own experience I used to overdraw and still do when my chest opens up too quickly:
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:26 PM

i am not an expert at numbers, so its hard for me to say much about the accuracy of the monitor.  Like I said, carry distance for me is pretty close. maybe about 5 yards high.  But I was hitting indoors in perfect conditions on a mat. So I guess that is expected to be slightly more?  I do hit the ball quite high in general on the course.  So high launch numbers makes sense and is probably accurate.  As for backspin, i noticed that they were low also on the launch monitor. I always thought the RPM should start with about the same number as the iron you are hitting, so I should have been in the 7,000 range and I am about half that according to this....   no clue how accurate that is.  generally on the course, I get some spin on my approach shots on a green.  But I dont zip it back like the pros do.  I usually get a ball that hops and stops pretty quickly, so its never been something Im too concerned with.

as for the video, I will check it out. Thank you.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:37 PM

 00bolt, on 16 April 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

i am not an expert at numbers, so its hard for me to say much about the accuracy of the monitor.  Like I said, carry distance for me is pretty close. maybe about 5 yards high.  But I was hitting indoors in perfect conditions on a mat. So I guess that is expected to be slightly more?  I do hit the ball quite high in general on the course.  So high launch numbers makes sense and is probably accurate.  As for backspin, i noticed that they were low also on the launch monitor. I always thought the RPM should start with about the same number as the iron you are hitting, so I should have been in the 7,000 range and I am about half that according to this....   no clue how accurate that is.  generally on the course, I get some spin on my approach shots on a green.  But I dont zip it back like the pros do.  I usually get a ball that hops and stops pretty quickly, so its never been something Im too concerned with.

as for the video, I will check it out. Thank you.

Your low backspin numbers could be due to the ball. 3,800 rpm is about right for a 2-piece surlyn cover "distance" ball - that's how they achieve "distance", by lowering backspin and raising vertical launch angle, especially with mid irons. Try Bridgestone E6 or Titleist Velocity balls for extreme examples of low spin / high launch.

Some mats contribute to lower backspin numbers, too.

If you're seeing hop-n-stop on course from a 7-iron, it's probably in the 6-7K range, so nothing to worry about... although your distances won't be anything like your distances on the LM at 3.8K.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 03:46 PM

That makes sense. Like I said, carry seems about 5+ high but total distance is off a good 10+

On the course I always play Chrome soft in yellow so I can see my ball easily. These at the store were definitely not those lol.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:00 PM

Overdraw is too much in to out path.  I can cover whole fairway width and still miss left on bad days.

Put something like a tee or swim noodle out in front of your ball and slight to the right.
Or conversely, something in back your ball and slightly to the inside.

Either way, you'll have to swing on a different plane other than exaggerated in to out to miss either setup.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:06 PM

 cwglum, on 16 April 2018 - 04:00 PM, said:

Overdraw is too much in to out path.  I can cover whole fairway width and still miss left on bad days.

Put something like a tee or swim noodle out in front of your ball and slight to the right.
Or conversely, something in back your ball and slightly to the inside.

Either way, you'll have to swing on a different plane other than exaggerated in to out to miss either setup.

If the ball is starting where he aims/aligns (he didn’t say if it does or not), he isn’t necessarily to in-to-out.  Curvature is caused by the face to path relationship.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:23 PM

I’d say I do hit the ball inside to out and ball starts right. But it just comes back too much at times. So in my mind I just have a clubface that’s closed to the path. So that’s why I tried setting up slightly open thinking I would reduce that over draw.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:47 PM

 00bolt, on 16 April 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

I’d say I do hit the ball inside to out and ball starts right. But it just comes back too much at times. So in my mind I just have a clubface that’s closed to the path. So that’s why I tried setting up slightly open thinking I would reduce that over draw.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:55 PM

Where do you tend to hit the ball on the clubface?

Shots on the toe side of center promote more of a draw. Whatever you do, if you are going to experiment, you should consider only fiddling with one adjustment/minor change at a time.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:12 PM

honestly, i feel like my misses are usually heel side.  every once in a while I tend to stand to close to the ball or come too far inside or something i dont know and i will catch a ball on the hozzle or heel side.

that said, i took a couple videos today on my lunch.  mind you, i was in work shoes and was rushing a bit. but i feel this is a pretty good idea of my golf swing.  sorry video sucks and isnt all that straight. i had a hard time propping my phone up.




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Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:20 PM

You may simply be lining up too far right. Check you alignment.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:00 PM

Right at impact, your hips are square to the ball rather than open. It kind of looks like a slight stall.

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

i have always battled not turning my hips enough.  its something i have always fought and worked on.  :\

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 10:25 AM

From face on it's unreal how much better this is than a few years ago. Down the line as well but the setup is a slight issue. Butt is too out causing some sway back. Really just need to clean up that and should be able to rotate a little better

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 11:53 AM

 00bolt, on 18 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

i have always battled not turning my hips enough.  its something i have always fought and worked on.  :\

My wild guess is that, in the back of your mind, you're worried about not getting the clubface squared if you rotate your hips enough. If you're fighting a hook, though, then that's not really a problem as you are likely getting it square and then closing it before impact. What I'd try, were this me, is opening my stance and clubface, making the same swing and then seeing if the hook is better, or worse.

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 12:04 PM

 Fort Worth Pro, on 18 April 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

From face on it's unreal how much better this is than a few years ago. Down the line as well but the setup is a slight issue. Butt is too out causing some sway back. Really just need to clean up that and should be able to rotate a little better

Thanks buddy. I have worked at it for a while now. I am just slow to progress!  I think I just need to get out there and come see you.  Ill hit you up here soon. I have alot going on the next week or two.. but then I have some free time.  But when I look at the face on video, thats what I think is that I am swaying a little.  which may explain why my lower back is on fire after a round of golf.

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