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17th/18th of Harbour Town...reminscent of Pebble?


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#1 puttfordoux

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:03 PM

Watching the RBC Heritage this past weekend, the design of the 17th and 18th holes, to me at least, is reminiscent of Pebble Beach. Of course, the 18th at Harbour Town is only a par four, but with the water on the left, and 17 a par three ending up near the 18th tee, it seems to have the same feel.

I've been to Pebble, but never been to Harbour Town. I could be way far off because of this, but also because of it being one of Jack Nicklaus's first course designs (along with Pete Dye), and his obvious love of Pebble Beach, he may have influenced the design a bit to attempt to replicate it. All speculation here, never seen or heard Nicklaus or Dye talk about it, though I have seen that golf writer Dan Jenkins called Harbour Town 'Pebble Beach East.'


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:14 PM

Played both.    Nothing is like Pebble.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:37 PM

The 18th at HT is a pretty common 18th hole design.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:40 PM

I've played both, and never thought about it until now. I can also think of a few other courses I'd call the "Pebble Beach of the East"

Many finishing holes have water all the way up the left.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:44 PM

I think all the holes that are not 17 or 18 make that course super special.  The par 3 holes are amazing...some of the greens or so small it is hard to wrap your mind around it.  Usually the next tee box is just next to the last green...making the walk even better.  I just wish they were not Pebble proud on the pricing these days.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:24 PM

They are, of course, totally different courses on opposite sides of the country.  And nothing compares to Pebble, in a sense.  However, I've played both and I think the similarities you note are true.  You kind of get the same sense of drama going towards the water, and the 18th tee boxes both have panorama views.  I'd add that both of them also have houses/condos/restaurants nearby without detracting from the overall design--in fact, in a way, they both add a little bit to the atmosphere.

It would be an interesting question for Nicklaus/Dye.  You make a cool observation.

View Postputtfordoux, on 16 April 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

Watching the RBC Heritage this past weekend, the design of the 17th and 18th holes, to me at least, is reminiscent of Pebble Beach. Of course, the 18th at Harbour Town is only a par four, but with the water on the left, and 17 a par three ending up near the 18th tee, it seems to have the same feel.

I've been to Pebble, but never been to Harbour Town. I could be way far off because of this, but also because of it being one of Jack Nicklaus's first course designs (along with Pete Dye), and his obvious love of Pebble Beach, he may have influenced the design a bit to attempt to replicate it. All speculation here, never seen or heard Nicklaus or Dye talk about it, though I have seen that golf writer Dan Jenkins called Harbour Town 'Pebble Beach East.'

Edited by bogey_bakes, 16 April 2018 - 05:25 PM.


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