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#1 MCGolfTM

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:06 AM

It seems the Game Golf Live price has been reduced for a while now and at $99 seems like a good tracking device compared to the cost of Arccos 360.

I am hearing that Game Golf Pro is coming this month at a price tag of $300 and is very comparable to Arccos 360 and does not need the club tagging of the Game Golf Live.

Has anyone use the Game Golf Live and will it still be a supported system, and worth the $99 over waiting for the new system at $300?

I have been using MyRoundPro and really like stats it’s provides as well as the GUI, but it can be difficult to keep tagging all your shots, and I feel it takes me out of the game.

I feel for $99 the belt tagging system for Game Golf Live is pretty good and a lot easier than using the phone the whole round. But would that $99 be better spent towards the Pro, or is Game Golf Live still a good system for that price?

I don’t need it to be the best out there, that’s why I am looking at the older model, but I would like to get basic benchmarks on my stats to get a better perspective of my rounds. I feel knowing what is actually going on out there compared to what I think, is very important.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:13 AM

View PostMCGolfTM, on 16 April 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

It seems the Game Golf Live price has been reduced for a while now and at $99 seems like a good tracking device compared to the cost of Arccos 360.

I am hearing that Game Golf Pro is coming this month at a price tag of $300 and is very comparable to Arccos 360 and does not need the club tagging of the Game Golf Live.

Has anyone use the Game Golf Live and will it still be a supported system, and worth the $99 over waiting for the new system at $300?

I have been using MyRoundPro and really like stats it’s provides as well as the GUI, but it can be difficult to keep tagging all your shots, and I feel it takes me out of the game.

I feel for $99 the belt tagging system for Game Golf Live is pretty good and a lot easier than using the phone the whole round. But would that $99 be better spent towards the Pro, or is Game Golf Live still a good system for that price?

I don’t need it to be the best out there, that’s why I am looking at the older model, but I would like to get basic benchmarks on my stats to get a better perspective of my rounds. I feel knowing what is actually going on out there compared to what I think, is very important.

I'd say it is pretty worth it even just using it for fun. But if you're pretty set on getting one of the devices regardless, I have some info that may help you out. I have the game golf live and I asked the game golf customer service people if theyll have a trade in upgrade deal special thing and they said yes. So you game golf live will still have some value when/if you decide to upgrade (according to them anyway).

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:18 PM

I have the original Game Golf Classic and it's great.  It's fun (or painful) to review your rounds and I like looking at the strokes gained stats.  It looks like the Pro version won't need you to touch the sensor and will give you some tips on strategy, but $200 more is a lot.  I'd just go with the Live version, which is great for $100, and if you want to upgrade at some point, wait until the Pro version drops in price.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:23 PM

I have had classic and live.

Between the two go classic and save some money. it was faster to connect to gps and had less issues with tagging. At least between the two I had.

I find the data and updates to be lacking. They have really not done anything to improve the stats or data since the live came out.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:55 PM

You might check out Shot Scope V2. No tagging or phone! It comes with a GPS watch that is quite accurate and updates very quickly. One of the coolest features is the PIN COLLECT feature! When you are on the green the GPS watch changes to PIN COLLECT mode. When you hole out your final putt, just select how many putts it took you to finish and you select the appropriate button over the cup....which will mark a way point where the cup is located. This is very important for all serious stat trackers and pro-like analytics. I used to own Arcoss, but you had to pace of your putts and mark the hole of each green on paper and then edit afterwards at home. This was a lot of work and took away from my interactions with my buddies. Plus, with Arcoss I had to keep my phone on me with each swing......I don't like this! Shot Scope V2 is the perfect solution! On a side note, their customer service has been outstanding with updating a course for me in a single day so that it will be ready for an upcoming tourney! Check them out on YouTube! Good luck!

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:12 AM

View PostTrane5, on 16 April 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

You might check out Shot Scope V2. No tagging or phone! It comes with a GPS watch that is quite accurate and updates very quickly. One of the coolest features is the PIN COLLECT feature! When you are on the green the GPS watch changes to PIN COLLECT mode. When you hole out your final putt, just select how many putts it took you to finish and you select the appropriate button over the cup....which will mark a way point where the cup is located. This is very important for all serious stat trackers and pro-like analytics. I used to own Arcoss, but you had to pace of your putts and mark the hole of each green on paper and then edit afterwards at home. This was a lot of work and took away from my interactions with my buddies. Plus, with Arcoss I had to keep my phone on me with each swing......I don't like this! Shot Scope V2 is the perfect solution! On a side note, their customer service has been outstanding with updating a course for me in a single day so that it will be ready for an upcoming tourney! Check them out on YouTube! Good luck!

Does it waypoint the spot from which you were putting as well as the hole location? Does it detect the putting stroke like it would a full swing?
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:19 AM

View PostNorth Butte, on 17 April 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

View PostTrane5, on 16 April 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

You might check out Shot Scope V2. No tagging or phone! It comes with a GPS watch that is quite accurate and updates very quickly. One of the coolest features is the PIN COLLECT feature! When you are on the green the GPS watch changes to PIN COLLECT mode. When you hole out your final putt, just select how many putts it took you to finish and you select the appropriate button over the cup....which will mark a way point where the cup is located. This is very important for all serious stat trackers and pro-like analytics. I used to own Arcoss, but you had to pace of your putts and mark the hole of each green on paper and then edit afterwards at home. This was a lot of work and took away from my interactions with my buddies. Plus, with Arcoss I had to keep my phone on me with each swing......I don't like this! Shot Scope V2 is the perfect solution! On a side note, their customer service has been outstanding with updating a course for me in a single day so that it will be ready for an upcoming tourney! Check them out on YouTube! Good luck!

Does it waypoint the spot from which you were putting as well as the hole location? Does it detect the putting stroke like it would a full swing?

it has a tag on the putter and it knows where your put came from and the pin position if you use pin collect. So you can get great putting stats on the dashboard showing the distances of all you puts

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:05 AM

I looked at the Shotscope V2, but the watch looks huge.  And I don't really care about having a GPS watch either.  The new game golf looks the most promising.  No tagging, no phone in the pocket, just play.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:26 PM

View PostNorth Butte, on 17 April 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

View PostTrane5, on 16 April 2018 - 11:55 PM, said:

You might check out Shot Scope V2. No tagging or phone! It comes with a GPS watch that is quite accurate and updates very quickly. One of the coolest features is the PIN COLLECT feature! When you are on the green the GPS watch changes to PIN COLLECT mode. When you hole out your final putt, just select how many putts it took you to finish and you select the appropriate button over the cup....which will mark a way point where the cup is located. This is very important for all serious stat trackers and pro-like analytics. I used to own Arcoss, but you had to pace of your putts and mark the hole of each green on paper and then edit afterwards at home. This was a lot of work and took away from my interactions with my buddies. Plus, with Arcoss I had to keep my phone on me with each swing......I don't like this! Shot Scope V2 is the perfect solution! On a side note, their customer service has been outstanding with updating a course for me in a single day so that it will be ready for an upcoming tourney! Check them out on YouTube! Good luck!

Does it waypoint the spot from which you were putting as well as the hole location? Does it detect the putting stroke like it would a full swing?

Yes to both questions!
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:27 PM

View PostJack Daniels, on 17 April 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

I looked at the Shotscope V2, but the watch looks huge.  And I don't really care about having a GPS watch either.  The new game golf looks the most promising.  No tagging, no phone in the pocket, just play.

Except you will have to manually move the hole location or the shots gained analysis are erroneous.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:30 PM

Any of

View PostTrane5, on 17 April 2018 - 12:27 PM, said:

View PostJack Daniels, on 17 April 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

I looked at the Shotscope V2, but the watch looks huge.  And I don't really care about having a GPS watch either.  The new game golf looks the most promising.  No tagging, no phone in the pocket, just play.

Except you will have to manually move the hole location or the shots gained analysis are erroneous.

Any of these methods have significant (IMHO) limitations for serious game-analysis purposes. But the two biggies in Game Golf are and have always been not tagging where the hole is located and not distinguishing between "obstructed" or "recovery" shots and those from the rough.

I doubt very much any GPS+maps based system is going to solve the second problem but it really, really makes sense to tag or waypoint the damned hole! That is like trivially solvable yet Game Golf is coming out with their third version and still no attempt to manage the hole location other than guesswork.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:12 PM

I agree that with the above that there are limitations on accuracy, especially the closer you get to the hole.   With GPS currently being limited in accuracy (+/- 3-4m), even with +GLONASS, I'm not sure how accurate ShotScope really is (users can chime in).

However, from what I've gathered, Game Golf uses some kind of predictive analytics to estimate the location of the pin based on multiple users' data for that course/date.   That being said, until GPS gets super accurate in consumer devices (which is happening... next few years should see pretty big jumps in GPS accuracy), one could argue that Game Golf's system of hole location estimation might be as accurate as ShotScope's, simply with the maturity of that platform and the number of users.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:02 PM

There is absolutely no way you can guess(predict) where the pin is. I agree with all the above comments about GPS accuracy for civilian use. This will effect all measurements from tee to green by the same (+/- yards). I’ve used Shotscope 3 rounds and a 9 hole round. It’s amazing how accurate the pin location is when looking at the map. Way better than a guess or algorithm IMO.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:14 PM

View PostDuke of Hazards, on 17 April 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

I agree that with the above that there are limitations on accuracy, especially the closer you get to the hole.   With GPS currently being limited in accuracy (+/- 3-4m), even with +GLONASS, I'm not sure how accurate ShotScope really is (users can chime in).

However, from what I've gathered, Game Golf uses some kind of predictive analytics to estimate the location of the pin based on multiple users' data for that course/date.   That being said, until GPS gets super accurate in consumer devices (which is happening... next few years should see pretty big jumps in GPS accuracy), one could argue that Game Golf's system of hole location estimation might be as accurate as ShotScope's, simply with the maturity of that platform and the number of users.

There have been about 40-50 rounds of golf from my home course ever posted to Game Golf. One of them from someone I don’t know (probably a guest) and the rest from me. There isn’t any Big Data algorithm that will shed light on where the holes are located if I go out and post another round next week.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:40 PM

Arccos is the superior system and dashboard. I’ve used both systems and Arccos is overwhelmingly the better product across the board. They’re also coming out with a GPS device that negates the use of your phone, and also using an Apple Watch 3 as the GPS device.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:17 PM

Is there a major difference in the stats each system provides?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:29 PM

I tried Arcoss 360, but returned it after one round. I couldnt get used to the sensors on the butt of my clubs.

It may have been in my mind, but I swear the clubs felt different from the extra 7 grams above the grip. I put 10 gram counter weights in my wedges to bring the swing weight back to D6, and could immediately tell the difference, so in retrospect, Im not surprised that the sensors threw off the feel of the club for me.

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 05:16 PM

If you are happy to wear something on your wrist I would go with Shot Scope.

PinCollect is a major plus and their accuracy is very good. Fully automatic tracking and you don't need your phone plus they just upgraded their dashboard which has some really cool stats and you can filter until your heart is content.

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Posted 18 April 2018 - 06:35 PM

View Postilovenewtech, on 18 April 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

If you are happy to wear something on your wrist I would go with Shot Scope.

PinCollect is a major plus and their accuracy is very good. Fully automatic tracking and you don't need your phone plus they just upgraded their dashboard which has some really cool stats and you can filter until your heart is content.
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Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:49 PM

I have the one that tags your Android phone using NFC. Had it for a season, correctly tagged one round.  Not worth the hassle.  Ssupport take a few days/weeks to get back to you, ask for log submissions but there are never ending issues.  Two tags caps fell off, so the batteries are in the bottom of my golf bag.  Poor quality.  Save your $99. Buy something else.

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Posted 01 May 2018 - 02:47 PM

Maybe ShotScope has worked out all the bugs but I tried it and the watch never connected to GPS. And the watch is the most heinous looking thing you could ever wear on your wrist and I do not exaggerate. Its huge and the screen looks like something from an early Casio trash bin. It all sounded great but I found the product to be very lacking in both functionality and looks/quality. And yes I preloaded the courses and did updates too. Luckily they were nice enough to refund my money. Just my .02

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Posted 01 May 2018 - 04:22 PM

I hope this is released soon. Website just states "this season", very vague.

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