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Difficulty with fading irons.


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#1 b.mattay

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:23 PM

With the golf season just beginning, I want to master a new skill. How the heck do you fade an iron? I can't do it to save my life (unless I catch a bit of hosel :taunt: ). All my shots tend to draw a bit, and I can hit it straight when need be, but a fade still eludes me. I can hit little cuts with a driver/3 wood, but have never been able to with irons.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:48 PM

The same way you fade a driver...

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View Postb.mattay, on 15 April 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

With the golf season just beginning, I want to master a new skill. How the heck do you fade an iron? I can't do it to save my life (unless I catch a bit of hosel :taunt: ). All my shots tend to draw a bit, and I can hit it straight when need be, but a fade still eludes me. I can hit little cuts with a driver/3 wood, but have never been able to with irons.


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#3 MonteScheinblum

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:26 PM

View Postb.mattay, on 15 April 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

With the golf season just beginning, I want to master a new skill. How the heck do you fade an iron? I can't do it to save my life (unless I catch a bit of hosel :taunt: ). All my shots tend to draw a bit, and I can hit it straight when need be, but a fade still eludes me. I can hit little cuts with a driver/3 wood, but have never been able to with irons.

Just a guess, but this sounds like a ball position and setup issue.

Assuming you’re not doing something drastic that plain wouldn’t allow a cut, unless it’s a giant push cut, moving the ball forward should allow a cut

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:30 PM

Weaken your grip a tiny bit... and you will see the magic.    :-)

Edited by Rasser75, 15 April 2018 - 11:30 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:53 PM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 15 April 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:


Just a guess, but this sounds like a ball position and setup issue.

Assuming you're not doing something drastic that plain wouldn't allow a cut, unless it's a giant push cut, moving the ball forward should allow a cut

Significantly forward? I move the ball forward 1-2 inches (along with teeing the ball lower) to hit a cut off the tee, but it doesn't seem to be as effective with irons.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:27 AM

View Postb.mattay, on 15 April 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 15 April 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:


Just a guess, but this sounds like a ball position and setup issue.

Assuming you're not doing something drastic that plain wouldn't allow a cut, unless it's a giant push cut, moving the ball forward should allow a cut

Significantly forward? I move the ball forward 1-2 inches (along with teeing the ball lower) to hit a cut off the tee, but it doesn't seem to be as effective with irons.

You have it right.  There is an issue in your swing that is making it too far from the inside to hit an effective cut.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:51 AM

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 16 April 2018 - 12:27 AM, said:

You have it right.  There is an issue in your swing that is making it too far from the inside to hit an effective cut.

Cant it been boiled down to a face-to-path ratio? If you wanna get it to spin to the right, make sure you have an open face relative to the path at impact?

He can still hit it serverely from the outside and still push draw it to the left of the club house....

Edited by Rasser75, 16 April 2018 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:39 AM

Point the club face at your target.  Open up body, feet and shoulders, relative to the target.  Grip the club like usual, it will feel “open” which is good.  Make your normal swing.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:23 PM

View PostRasser75, on 16 April 2018 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 16 April 2018 - 12:27 AM, said:

You have it right.  There is an issue in your swing that is making it too far from the inside to hit an effective cut.

Cant it been boiled down to a face-to-path ratio? If you wanna get it to spin to the right, make sure you have an open face relative to the path at impact?

He can still hit it serverely from the outside and still push draw it to the left of the club house....

How do you hit a push draw from an outside-in path?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:33 PM

What kind of ball do you play?


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:44 PM

View Postb.mattay, on 15 April 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

With the golf season just beginning, I want to master a new skill. How the heck do you fade an iron? I can't do it to save my life (unless I catch a bit of hosel :taunt: ). All my shots tend to draw a bit, and I can hit it straight when need be, but a fade still eludes me. I can hit little cuts with a driver/3 wood, but have never been able to with irons.

Going about it the wrong way perhaps- we need to control the sides of the game.    In golf luckily we only have to learn two shots.  In the Fleur-de-lis diagram contained in post #2 there are flights  labeled A and I- the outside.     If you can hit those two on demand, you'll control everything in between, which are flights B,C,D,E,F,G,and H, what I call the middle.  Control the sides to control the middle, not the other way around.  Without sides, there is no middle.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:42 PM

View PostBrianMcG, on 16 April 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

What kind of ball do you play?

Srixon Z-Star, why?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:06 PM

Plus 2 handicap, dont know how to fade?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:39 PM

View PostRattlesnakeRon, on 16 April 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

View PostRasser75, on 16 April 2018 - 04:51 AM, said:

View PostMonteScheinblum, on 16 April 2018 - 12:27 AM, said:

You have it right.  There is an issue in your swing that is making it too far from the inside to hit an effective cut.

Cant it been boiled down to a face-to-path ratio? If you wanna get it to spin to the right, make sure you have an open face relative to the path at impact?

He can still hit it serverely from the outside and still push draw it to the left of the club house....

How do you hit a push draw from an outside-in path?

A pull draw off course... (should spend some time proof reading :-))

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#15 b.mattay

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:43 AM

View PostTorontogolfaddict, on 16 April 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

Plus 2 handicap, dont know how to fade?

Correct, it is a big weakness in my game.

Edited by b.mattay, 17 April 2018 - 12:43 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 06:52 AM

I can relate. For the life of me I cannot hit a fade on purpose with an iron to save my life.

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