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Shiels - are Scotty Cameron Putters overpriced?


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:18 PM



Around the 6:00 mark Shields makes the pros/cons cases which are common for Cameron's and other boutique putters, however he does make some good points about how substantially Cameron pricing has increased in the last couple years. I think that a used, custom or tour Cameron are good value for money. But buying a new OTR putter is likely not a good buy, just my opinion.

I game a used custom shopped Fastback 1.0 and would not personally consider paying full retail for a Cameron as the used market is so plentiful.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:25 PM

+1   Never would buy a new otr Cameron as well

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:40 PM

LOL, and here we go again
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:01 PM

So a $400 otr putter isn’t a good value but a $2000+ Tour Scotty is??   How does that work?

I think it’s the special editions, Tour stuff, etc that are over priced.  And headcovers.  But $400 for an otr, that’s a fine value in my mind.  Yeah, it’s more than some but whatever.  They look nice, are high quality, and in the grand scheme $400 is probably only $100-200 more than other options one might be looking at and at that point who cares.   A putter is your most used club and it’ll never wear out, if you like it buy it.  

I just don’t see the value in a Tour putter though.  What exactly does one get that’s better for the 5x to 10x the price?

I don’t play a Scotty, though I did recently pick up a Circa #3 to play around around with, I game a Byron.  So while a new otr Scotty isn’t my first choice I don’t think it’s a bad one.  If I suddenly found myself without a putter and had a round to play I’d drop into the local pro shop and throw down $400 for a Newport without much hesitation because I know I’ll get a decent putter that I would have faith in as I stand over the ball.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:03 PM

It's relative to what the market will bear. If Cameron has no problem selling his putters at those prices, then they aren't over priced.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:05 PM

Hahah I wish he would pick up his Tel3 I’ve refinished for him. It’s become part of the family now. Top man though

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:05 PM

I think he was very respectable to Camerons and their look/feel/craftsmanship. I dont think he was saying that they are necessarily overpriced, just that they are a quality item that does the same job lesser priced putters do. Good video.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:51 PM

I saw that tweet. I have three Scotty’s. Only purchased one new, and that was 18 years ago before they were crazy expensive.

My last two were bought used, taken to my local Modern Golf, had the loft and lie checked and adjusted, changed the grip. Just like new and better than OTR. Lots of ways to get a custom Scotty without buy new or sending to the custom shop.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:56 PM

View Postslide13, on 14 April 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

So a $400 otr putter isn’t a good value but a $2000+ Tour Scotty is??   How does that work?

I think it’s the special editions, Tour stuff, etc that are over priced.  And headcovers.  But $400 for an otr, that’s a fine value in my mind.  Yeah, it’s more than some but whatever.  They look nice, are high quality, and in the grand scheme $400 is probably only $100-200 more than other options one might be looking at and at that point who cares.   A putter is your most used club and it’ll never wear out, if you like it buy it.  

I just don’t see the value in a Tour putter though.  What exactly does one get that’s better for the 5x to 10x the price?

I don’t play a Scotty, though I did recently pick up a Circa #3 to play around around with, I game a Byron.  So while a new otr Scotty isn’t my first choice I don’t think it’s a bad one.  If I suddenly found myself without a putter and had a round to play I’d drop into the local pro shop and throw down $400 for a Newport without much hesitation because I know I’ll get a decent putter that I would have faith in as I stand over the ball.

I'm only claiming that tour or limited release is a better overall value because it won't really go down in price over time like OTR models might, unless you game the CT models to death. Initial value is not good at all, you're paying 5x+ the cost for a marginally different putter all things considered. But it is like buying a rare car and treating it well, most of the time they hold their value and can be resold for the same or a small profit.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:40 PM

For a putter I try to put it in context. How much is it worth to stand over a 5 foot putt and know you are going to make it? If I can find that for $100-$200 it is a no brainer. But I have been down that road. Buy a $200 putter, find out after a few rounds it does not "fit" me. Trade in or resell value are 50% or less. So on the $200 putter you lose $100 in value. A new SC might cost you $400, but If you do not like it you can usually resell for at least 75% of the value. And there is a much larger market for SC putters. So still just a potential $100 loss. If the SC putter works out it is worth the $400 to me. If it doesn't then the risk to me is no different than that of another brand's $200 putter.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 11:00 PM

Well, a crap ton of people keep on buying them, so no they are not overpriced. Since a lot of people have no issue paying almost $400 for a new model, that would be pretty silly of Titleist to sell them cheaper.

Seems like pretty basic economics to me. But I’m no economist...



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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:01 AM

oh wow they added 6 more red dots and used new sellotape to stick the insert on.... not worth the price increase from the 2016 range.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:30 AM

Shiels has become very clickbaitey lately. Just check the titles of his recent reviews.

I, myself am not a Cameron fan (far from it actually), but his putters are to golfers what iPhones are to the general public. Sure you can buy a phone with similiar specs for half the price, but there are intangible "benefits" (at least to the buyer) if you have an iphone or a scotty. People associate luxury and tour level success with camerons. The fact that this is objectively only somewhat true doesn't matter as long as it doesn't change people's perceptions.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:24 PM

View PostSean2, on 14 April 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

It's relative to what the market will bear. If Cameron has no problem selling his putters at those prices, then they aren't over priced.
I think you've summed it up correctly! Really nothing more to add other than I respect other people's views who say they wouldn't spend $400 for a putter.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:40 PM

Cameron's are a marketers dream. Don't fall for the hype. I certainly never will. Technology is vastly limited in a putter.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 02:56 PM

They definitely are over priced. I bought a futura 5s last year and just ordered a Newport. I'll probably sell the futura and send the Newport to the custom shop lol.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:10 PM

It’s like buying expensive clothes or shoes, if you can afford it you’ll buy it, may make you feel better but there is stuff out there that can compare for cheaper. I like the look and craftsmanship of Scotty Cameron. I had one but then I bought a spider over a futura because I liked the feel and it was $75 cheaper when I wasn’t even looking for a putter, but personally would buy another one

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:43 PM

They're nice looking.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:52 PM

View PostRafatolah, on 15 April 2018 - 12:40 PM, said:

Cameron's are a marketers dream. Don't fall for the hype. I certainly never will. Technology is vastly limited in a putter.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:11 PM

“Smoked like a phat chick in a candy store”...

Hummmm..I’m confused.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:15 PM

I do wonder if $400 might be the magic barrier when there might be some resistance from consumers.

iPhone hit that barrier at $1000 with the X.  Many people just said no.

Of course I still remember when $100 was big money for a putter. And that really wasn’t THAT long ago.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:21 PM

Definately overpriced for outdated technology.

Edited by baudi, 15 April 2018 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:40 PM

View Postbaudi, on 15 April 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

Definitely overpriced for outdated technology.

Most golfers won't benefit from any technology because their putting strokes are simply not repeatable. If you placed two bandaids outside the center of the putter with an 1/8 inch on either side of additional space most golfers would still hit then tape.  At the end of the day most of the new technologies in putters, and all clubs, won't benefit the majority of golfers.  A series of lessons would benefit them but a new magic arrow is always the answer.  Marketing geniuses like Scotty Cameron are there to pounce on these golfers who are so happy to get their cash out for the magic arrow.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:44 PM

Like anything. To each their own. If a OTR putter is truly your “perfect”
Putter then I say it’s worth it. For me, I haven’t found an OTR that i wouldn’t consider changing in some way. Hence, I’ve gone the boutique custom route.
I think as the milled and boutique brands keep expanding, a Cameron doesn’t hold the same niche value as it once did. So many great options now.
My 2 cents.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:19 PM

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Most golfers won't benefit from any technology because their putting strokes are simply not repeatable.
If you change 'putting strokes' into ' driving swings' would you still hold belief in your proposition?
Maybe you still tee it up with persimmon. I do now and then  - which is fun to do -  but that is about it.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:24 PM

If Cameron were a grateful man, he'd be paying these premium mark-up royalties to a Mr. TW. Honestly, I don't see the market for this without a powerful persona creating all the hype for the manufacturer. He basically built the brand with his fandom and dominance of the sport on the course. If Tiger had used a TP Mills Mizuno we'd probably still be discussing a similar matter, only with Mills at the center and not Don....

And the comparative relevance of each maker would be in reverse.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:43 PM

View Postbaudi, on 15 April 2018 - 06:19 PM, said:

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Most golfers won't benefit from any technology because their putting strokes are simply not repeatable.
If you change 'putting strokes' into ' driving swings' would you still hold belief in your proposition?
May be you still tee it up with persimmon. I do now and then which is fun to do but that is about it.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:52 PM

View PostDatSliceDoe, on 14 April 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:



Around the 6:00 mark Shields makes the pros/cons cases which are common for Cameron's and other boutique putters, however he does make some good points about how substantially Cameron pricing has increased in the last couple years. I think that a used, custom or tour Cameron are good value for money. But buying a new OTR putter is likely not a good buy, just my opinion.

I game a used custom shopped Fastback 1.0 and would not personally consider paying full retail for a Cameron as the used market is so plentiful.

Rolex is not for everyone but there's a market for it.  Just like the Cameron putters, not for everyone but there is a market for it.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:55 PM

Are they anymore overpriced than any other putters, Bettinardi, Edel, etc?  Heck, I just bought an Odyssey that was $250.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:04 PM

The value just doesn’t seem to be there at current prices. I was looking for a new putter recently and decided to order a custom as the price difference to get exactly what I was looking for made it a better value.


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