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#1 schley

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:17 PM

Thread over on GCA I thought would play well here as well.

Now that the Masters is done and out of our system almost, moving on to the US Open I took a look at the future sites and didn't realize that they are announced all the way up to 2027 already.  Two courses show up twice, Shinnecock and Pebble.  Not a surprise there. Take a look at the future sites.

I definitely think Pebble needs its turn every 8-10 years (personally like to see if every 10 as it used to be), however other than LACC and a return to TCC we have the same cast.  This is where subjectivity comes in, but I would like to see a little more variety utilized.  I liked when the USGA scouted out and has utilized Bethpage, then took a chance at Erin Hills and to a lesser extent Chambers Bay.  Off the radar publics and then mixing in the usual cast of privates.  If you look at geography the Midwest is absent sans Oakmont.  It bounces back and forth from the East to West.

I love hitting traditional stops with history and that should continue, however what are some courses that could help even out the geography at the very least?  Muirfield Village, Iverness, Medinah, Crooked Stick, Oakland Hills, Arcadia Bluffs, Broadmoor, back to Erin Hills? Can the destination courses even be considered due to lack of infrastructure?  Probably not.

Last consideration is that the PGA will move to May and that will bring the south into play and for good reason as they really have been MIA due to June US Open date and August PGA date, thus weather is now in their favor.  Atlanta Athletic Club, Sawgrass, Southern Hills, or Streamsong even to help represent the PGA geography considering the new date?




2018: Shinnecock Hills Golf Club - Southampton, N.Y. - June 14-17

2019: Pebble Beach Golf Links - Pebble Beach, Calif. - June 13-16

2020: Winged Foot Golf Club (West Course) - Mamaroneck, N.Y. - June 18-21

2021: Torrey Pines Golf Course (South Course) - San Diego, Calif. - June 17-20

2022: The Country Club - The Country Club - Brookline, Mass. - June 16-19

2023: The Los Angeles Country Club (North Course) - Los Angeles, Calif. - June 15-18

2024: Pinehurst Resort & Country Club (Course No. 2) - Village of Pinehurst, N.C. - June 13-16

2025: Oakmont Country Club - Oakmont, Pa. - June 12-15

2026: Shinnecock Hills Golf Club - Southampton, N.Y. - June 18-21

2027: Pebble Beach Golf Links - Pebble Beach, Calif. - June 17-20

Edited by schley, 14 April 2018 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:06 PM

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:16 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:38 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.

I don't think that you even read what I wrote.  OHCC completed its lengthening exercise before the '08 PGA and the '16 US Am.  The changes envisioned by the Hanse plan weren't about scoring; they were about the quality of play.

You should read more carefully and pay closer attention.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:42 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.

I don't think that you even read what I wrote.  OHCC completed its lengthening exercise before the '08 PGA and the '16 US Am.  The changes envisioned by the Hanse plan weren't about scoring; they were about the quality of play.

You should read more carefully and pay closer attention.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower "quality of play" as the USGA defines it.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:51 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

Interesting - Champions Golf Club in Houston is just now starting to replace all of the greens and bunkers on the Cypress Creek course in preparation for the 2020 U.S. Open. The course will be shutdown until at least October for the renovation but honestly they are in need of replacement for drainage improvements, etc.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:09 PM

View Postlowndes, on 14 April 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

Interesting - Champions Golf Club in Houston is just now starting to replace all of the greens and bunkers on the Cypress Creek course in preparation for the 2020 U.S. Open. The course will be shutdown until at least October for the renovation but honestly they are in need of replacement for drainage improvements, etc.

Right; at least you have another 18 holes to play in the meantime.  Did the flood of 2017 impact the renovation?  How long will the Cypress Creek course play for the ladies?

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:36 PM

I would have loved to see a US Open at Pumpkin Ridge Ghost Creek course but it seems as if this will never happen.  Such a shame for a very decent track.  I personally think its a better track than Torrey Pines South based on playing both.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:45 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.

I don't think that you even read what I wrote.  OHCC completed its lengthening exercise before the '08 PGA and the '16 US Am.  The changes envisioned by the Hanse plan weren't about scoring; they were about the quality of play.

You should read more carefully and pay closer attention.

But yet they allowed the USOpen to be played on a untested goat track in the Pacific NW
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area.  Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:00 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 14 April 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.

I don't think that you even read what I wrote.  OHCC completed its lengthening exercise before the '08 PGA and the '16 US Am.  The changes envisioned by the Hanse plan weren't about scoring; they were about the quality of play.

You should read more carefully and pay closer attention.

But yet they allowed the USOpen to be played on a untested goat track in the Pacific NW

It was about "quality of play".  

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:22 PM

Merion will most certainly be the favorite to get it in 2030. With the recent renovation to Inverness, I could see it being a candidate....

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:24 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

View Postlowndes, on 14 April 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

Interesting - Champions Golf Club in Houston is just now starting to replace all of the greens and bunkers on the Cypress Creek course in preparation for the 2020 U.S. Open. The course will be shutdown until at least October for the renovation but honestly they are in need of replacement for drainage improvements, etc.

Right; at least you have another 18 holes to play in the meantime.  Did the flood of 2017 impact the renovation?  How long will the Cypress Creek course play for the ladies?

That is true - and no it didnít really affect the renovation.  The course bounced back remarkable quickly after Harvey.  My understanding is that Champions would like to host more major tournaments and to do so they had to do something to improve the greens.  And Iím not sure how long the course will play - Iíll have to ask.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:25 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 14 April 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

It's a total bummer that the dunces at the USGA force these courses to take these measures instead of just accepting potentially lower scores.
The easiest solution is to not create the problem out of thin air.

I don't think that you even read what I wrote.  OHCC completed its lengthening exercise before the '08 PGA and the '16 US Am.  The changes envisioned by the Hanse plan weren't about scoring; they were about the quality of play.

You should read more carefully and pay closer attention.

But yet they allowed the USOpen to be played on a untested goat track in the Pacific NW

It was about "quality of play".  

Posted Image

Once again, Ashley Shaeffer, your smart-aleck tendency leads you into a foolish look.  That ball bounding on a green at Chambers Bay is hitting poa annua.  Precisely what they are facing at Oakland Hills (much, much milder, with older established grass).  Which is how we got to this place in the discussion.

Mike Davis didn't hide from the Chambers Bay controversy, he acknowledged it.  The greens at Chambers Bay didn't putt like that in the 2010 US Amateur, which was a success, and they weren't like that a year earlier, before a particularly bad winter.

But what did Chambers Bay produce in the end?  A great leaderboard; a great finish; and a great champion.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:39 PM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:



It was about "quality of play".  

Posted Image

Once again, Ashley Shaeffer, your smart-aleck tendency leads you into a foolish look.  That ball bounding on a green at Chambers Bay is hitting poa annua.  Precisely what they are facing at Oakland Hills (much, much milder, with older established grass).  Which is how we got to this place in the discussion.

Mike Davis didn't hide from the Chambers Bay controversy, he acknowledged it.  The greens at Chambers Bay didn't putt like that in the 2010 US Amateur, which was a success, and they weren't like that a year earlier, before a particularly bad winter.

But what did Chambers Bay produce in the end?  A great leaderboard; a great finish; and a great champion.

Poa annua?  Haha!  No, never heard of poa annua here in Southern California.  :rolleyes:
Also, re: the bold, this is one of my favorite descriptions: http://czabe.com/the...e-chambers-bay/
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:43 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

It was about "quality of play".  

Posted Image

Once again, Ashley Shaeffer, your smart-aleck tendency leads you into a foolish look.  That ball bounding on a green at Chambers Bay is hitting poa annua.  Precisely what they are facing at Oakland Hills (much, much milder, with older established grass).  Which is how we got to this place in the discussion.

Mike Davis didn't hide from the Chambers Bay controversy, he acknowledged it.  The greens at Chambers Bay didn't putt like that in the 2010 US Amateur, which was a success, and they weren't like that a year earlier, before a particularly bad winter.

But what did Chambers Bay produce in the end?  A great leaderboard; a great finish; and a great champion.

Poa annua?  Haha!  No, never heard of poa annua here in Southern California.  :rolleyes:
Also, re: the bold, this is one of my favorite descriptions: http://czabe.com/the...e-chambers-bay/
Conditions were sublime!  Right in the W column for the USGA.
Can you two just block each other and move on with your lives?
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:45 PM

View Postknock it close, on 14 April 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:39 PM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 07:25 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 14 April 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

It was about "quality of play".  

Posted Image

Once again, Ashley Shaeffer, your smart-aleck tendency leads you into a foolish look.  That ball bounding on a green at Chambers Bay is hitting poa annua.  Precisely what they are facing at Oakland Hills (much, much milder, with older established grass).  Which is how we got to this place in the discussion.

Mike Davis didn't hide from the Chambers Bay controversy, he acknowledged it.  The greens at Chambers Bay didn't putt like that in the 2010 US Amateur, which was a success, and they weren't like that a year earlier, before a particularly bad winter.

But what did Chambers Bay produce in the end?  A great leaderboard; a great finish; and a great champion.

Poa annua?  Haha!  No, never heard of poa annua here in Southern California.  :rolleyes:
Also, re: the bold, this is one of my favorite descriptions: http://czabe.com/the...e-chambers-bay/
Conditions were sublime!  Right in the W column for the USGA.
Can you two just block each other and move on with your lives?

No.  I think he's just about to change my mind on everything!  Haha!
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 10:04 PM

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area.  Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.

Welcome to the world of the South.  The USO hasn't been to TX for 50 years.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 03:51 AM

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 April 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area. Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.
Welcome to the world of the South. The USO hasn't been to TX for 50 years.

That should change... at least in the PGA moving to May you should get a few majors.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:20 AM

Hope everybody has braced themselves to watch an open contested on 100% poa greens at Shinnecock...

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:35 AM

USGA Has to be careful with Shinny. Last US Open was a shambles caused by a course set up to make people look stupid and not encourage good play. 2015 and last year did not feel like US Opens. I prefer a course that is not a regular tour stop. Places with a mystique like Winged Foot.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:39 AM

View Postschley, on 15 April 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 April 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area. Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.
Welcome to the world of the South. The USO hasn't been to TX for 50 years.

That should change... at least in the PGA moving to May you should get a few majors.

The PGA and Ryder Cup will be in Dallas in 2032 & 2034.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:00 AM

View PostStonebridge, on 15 April 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

View Postschley, on 15 April 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

View PostRoadking2003, on 14 April 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area. Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.
Welcome to the world of the South. The USO hasn't been to TX for 50 years.

That should change... at least in the PGA moving to May you should get a few majors.

The PGA and Ryder Cup will be in Dallas in 2032 & 2034.

The PGA site lists the Olympic Club as host of the 2032 Ryder Cup and they don't show anything for Texas at all.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:15 AM

I don't think Sawgrass is possible as you have TPC so close to the U.S. Open. Doubtful the tour would want to play the same venue so close to one another.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:07 AM

Looking forward to US Open at Winged Foot...played US 4ball there a couple years ago. I still have my yardage books with notes and tons of memories from the West course so it will be fun to see how the pros play it.

On a side note, I still have no clue how Mickelson hit his drive where it got to and even less of a clue as to why he tried that second shot.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:20 AM

View Post15th Club, on 14 April 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

I can speak with some specificity as to Oakland Hills South.  Last year the club engaged Gil Hanse to come up with a plan similar to his work at Winged Foot West, which was so successful that the club asked him to give the same treatment to their East Course.  It involved rebuilding all 18 greens, many bunkers and the usual cut-down-more-and-more-trees to improve lines of play, turfgrass growth and the like.

The details were really interesting; they use a new computer program to map every green, every contour, down to millimeters.  And then they'd completely tear them up and rebuild them.  It would take the South Course out of play entirely for more than a year.

I won't go into costs and prices, but it was a lot.  It would not and could not be paid out of existing funds.  The members would have to pay into a kind of bonding fund over time.  Some of the members didn't trust that their magnificent, original greens could be preserved.  Some of the members balked at the cost.  They took a vote, and the proposal lost by a wide margin.

OHCC has a problem with increasing amounts of poa annua on its historic greens.  They do the best that they can, but soil conditions have become a long-term problem.  The course is now as long as it can be; there is no more room to move any tees.  The USGA would have given OHCC another look, if they had approved the Hanse plan.  Now, it is practically assured that they won't.  The club may revisit the issue in the future.  They may have to.

How Michigan doesn't even have a Tour stop in general is an absolute shame

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:33 AM

I just hate it when the US Open is at Pebble Beach.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:57 AM

View PostDavePelz4, on 14 April 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

We in the midwest are disheartened to see that for the next decade, the USO won't be in our immediate area.  Guessing that Mike Davis got shut down on Tinder while in Wisconsin.

At least the Midwest get Tour stops in other places.

Us out here in the Rockies don't get anything.

Bring the Open to the new TPC Colorado. Or bring any event out to TPC Colorado. Has a 773 yard Par 5 from the tips (read it could go over 800 yards for a tournament set up)


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