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[ghoul31]

https://www.golfdige...rice-categories

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[xreyuk]

Thanks, been waiting for this!

Only thing that's annoying is that they've changed the shot from a 40 yard to 50 yard pitch shot, meaning you can't compare to last years chart.

Edited by xreyuk, 13 April 2018 - 07:37 PM.

[Le Shizzle]

Thanks mate. Cut Blue is an interesting result, had never heard of it here in Australia. Might have to order some. Can anyone speak for it's distance and durability compared to it's competitors?

[Celeras]

Always interesting but I never know how to process these things. Obviously the higher priced balls have lower flights and more spin so they check up easier. Then the next tier down has less spin.. but a higher launch angle.. which means a steeper descent angle.. which means they check up quicker than the lower flight.

So it's basically descent angle versus spin with no way to quantify that data. Great??? ��

[TKS]

ghoul31, on 13 April 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

https://www.golfdige...rice-categories

have to order some FGTours.

[monkeyboy]

Wow - nice showing by the Direct to Consumer brands!    Love the model.

[Lou04380]

Umm.... this test is useless without k-sig's, everyone knows k-sig's beat all other premium balls-

[jamie]

I’m curious why some company with an iron Byron doesn’t test balls with all clubs at different speeds and you can go in and look up spins with different balls and clubs.

[monkeyboy]

Maybe it's a big secret meant to deceive the consumer!

[elwhippy]

Very interesting. Need to try some new Bridgestone ammo.

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[c50sooner]

Wow the Chrome Soft and Soft X have really changed their relationship with each other, and the field for 2018.  Also glad to see the MTB Red edged into the red circle, as a slightly less spinning TP5 in that awesome yellow is pretty appealing to me.

[baloo]

Wonder why the Vice urethane balls launch higher with less spin than other tour ball choices?? I like the styles they come out with and want to use their stuff.

Also, how is this player test conducted? Is it just one player hitting a few shots with each? EDIT: re read the article and it says multiple players. They also claim the expensive balls had less spin in variance, but were pretty vague about it. They should publish the variances as that could be helpful along with averages.

Edited by baloo, 14 April 2018 - 10:50 AM.

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Le Shizzle, on 13 April 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

Thanks mate. Cut Blue is an interesting result, had never heard of it here in Australia. Might have to order some. Can anyone speak for it's distance and durability compared to it's competitors?

I actually wrote up a quick review of the Cut Blue yesterday.  You can check it out here http://www.golfwrx.c...0#entry17207516

[kearneyhill]

ghoul31, on 13 April 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

https://www.golfdige...rice-categories

Thanks for the share

[hwturner17]

I'm surprised how well the superhot did. I don't play it, but now I'd consider buying it if I saw them on sale

[Nessism]

jamie, on 13 April 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

I'm curious why some company with an iron Byron doesn't test balls with all clubs at different speeds and you can go in and look up spins with different balls and clubs.

monkeyboy, on 13 April 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

Maybe it's a big secret meant to deceive the consumer!

This^

...maybe deceive is too strong a word.  Most people wouldn't know how to interpret the data but I'd like to see it anyway.  Robot hitting tests with the ball strike 3/4" out on the toe for example.

[nova6868]

Thanks for posting.

Even more evidence that MTB Black and Red are great balls. Looks like I'll be purchasing some MTB Red for this season.

[ob18]

Nice showing for all Snell models

I thought the cut grey did well in my first round.............well when I wasn't spraying it all over the course trying to knock of months of rust

[monkeyboy]

Nessism, on 16 April 2018 - 09:39 AM, said:

jamie, on 13 April 2018 - 11:26 PM, said:

I'm curious why some company with an iron Byron doesn't test balls with all clubs at different speeds and you can go in and look up spins with different balls and clubs.

monkeyboy, on 13 April 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

Maybe it's a big secret meant to deceive the consumer!

This^

...maybe deceive is too strong a word.  Most people wouldn't know how to interpret the data but I'd like to see it anyway.  Robot hitting tests with the ball strike 3/4" out on the toe for example.

Agree, deceiving may be too harsh...but it is an interesting topic.
Position A = Use real people, taking real shots and publish results
argument = varying handicaps, different clubs, everyone strikes the ball differently, is a 50 yard shot a true indicator of absolute spin? = I can't trust this data

Position B = Use a controlled Iron Byron type setup, exact same conditions
argument = no one hits the ball in the same location every time, my swing is not like Iron Byrons  = I can't trust this data

Bottom line = use the data as a gauge, not an absolute.

I do still think I'd prefer to see an Iron Byron experiment - 50 yard, 100 yard same exact club/strike/conditions for each ball.

[hwturner17]

It's a shame that Tour Soft ball is so expensive. It's in a great spot performance wise, but the price is so close to the elite level balls, making it hard to justify purchasing it over the better balls for a just a few dollars more.

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 hwturner17, on 16 April 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

It's a shame that Tour Soft ball is so expensive. It's in a great spot performance wise, but the price is so close to the elite level balls, making it hard to justify purchasing it over the better balls for a just a few dollars more.

Yes, that is a shame, because it spins almost as much as the Bridgestone Tour B RX, and more than the Snell MTB Black.

I happen to like Titleist golf balls.

[PuttCurseRepeat]

Wilson FG Tour, ftw!  The test results of high spin and lower launch angle do not come as a surprise.  Great ball for mid, to high swing speed players.

[QuigleyDU]

i wish they would but these result with driver results. that would give you the best info.

[nova6868]

 QuigleyDU, on 16 April 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

i wish they would but these result with driver results. that would give you the best info.

I agree, but if you think these results are clustered, the driver test would be even more so. Modern balls are all very similar off the driver.

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 Celeras, on 13 April 2018 - 09:12 PM, said:

Always interesting but I never know how to process these things. Obviously the higher priced balls have lower flights and more spin so they check up easier. Then the next tier down has less spin.. but a higher launch angle.. which means a steeper descent angle.. which means they check up quicker than the lower flight.

So it's basically descent angle versus spin with no way to quantify that data. Great??? ��

I've just read another Golf Digest article that references the chart. They are saying that the best ball is the low launch angle + high spin ball. In the 50 yard test the lower launch angle checks and stops in about 3 feet while the high launch angle and lower spin takes 6 feet to stop. The recommendation is therefore the premium ball - what a surprise!

More bucks for the likes of Titleist, Bridgestone and Callaway. Lets all stick to the mid price ball and save money.

[QuigleyDU]

 nova6868, on 16 April 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

 QuigleyDU, on 16 April 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

i wish they would but these result with driver results. that would give you the best info.

I agree, but if you think these results are clustered, the driver test would be even more so. Modern balls are all very similar off the driver.

that kinda what i am thinking, therefore i am going to pick up some of the lowest flying highest spinning balls and see how i like them. i would much rather have more spin from 50 yards in then what? 5 maybe ten yards off the tee...

and if you factor in cost, the wilson or cut blue are the obvious winners.

Edited by QuigleyDU, 24 April 2018 - 02:18 PM.

[nova6868]

The other thing worth pointing out is that each bar on the x-axis appears to be about 150 rpm. Ehhh... that's not a whole lot. All the high-performing balls are within about 600 rpm of each other.

The y-axis breaks down to about 0.3 degrees per marking. So all the high-performance balls are within about 3 degrees of each other in launch angle.

Ideal launch angle for a pitch of this distance would be about 30-32 degrees. With spin 7000-8000 rpm. So all of the premium balls are essentially in this range.

[QuigleyDU]

 nova6868, on 24 April 2018 - 02:30 PM, said:

The other thing worth pointing out is that each bar on the x-axis appears to be about 150 rpm. Ehhh... that's not a whole lot. All the high-performing balls are within about 600 rpm of each other.

The y-axis breaks down to about 0.3 degrees per marking. So all the high-performance balls are within about 3 degrees of each other in launch angle.

Ideal launch angle for a pitch of this distance would be about 30-32 degrees. With spin 7000-8000 rpm. So all of the premium balls are essentially in this range.

while in theory you are correct, i feel that in practice there is a bigger difference and 1k rpm difference is huge!! i feel like 500 rpm difference is very noticeable.

[1Mordrid1]

So the parameters of this test is that they used golfers who hit a low driving shot that takes precise contact off of the lower part of the club face to increase spin.

Yeah.......That sounds like what the majority of golfers can achieve.

Talk about marketing......you too can spin it like a pro if you have this much control over your golf shot ! Golf Digest, how about a more useful chart showing the spin on full iron shots from average swing speeds. Because that is what the majority of golfers should be basing their golf ball choice on.  Not on a shot that most golfers have no idea how to hit.

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 1Mordrid1, on 25 April 2018 - 10:57 AM, said:

So the parameters of this test is that they used golfers who hit a low driving shot that takes precise contact off of the lower part of the club face to increase spin.

Yeah.......That sounds like what the majority of golfers can achieve.

Talk about marketing......you too can spin it like a pro if you have this much control over your golf shot ! Golf Digest, how about a more useful chart showing the spin on full iron shots from average swing speeds. Because that is what the majority of golfers should be basing their golf ball choice on.  Not on a shot that most golfers have no idea how to hit.

The majority of golfers pay way too much attention to what ball they're using thinking that it will fix some ballflight problem. I'd rather have precisely this data, what a good golfer can do with good contact, where ball selection might actually make a difference.

If you can't make crisp contact around the greens (where they suggest to fit a ball anyway, not full shots) than you sure can't make consistent enough contact with a full swing 6 iron for ball data to be in any way relevant.

That's where the problem arises, the "average" golfer who wants to check it like a pro complains when that same high spin ball goes slicing 400 yds offline. Ball data is and should be most relevant to better players who can use it constructively.

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