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#31 Z1ggy16

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:36 PM

So he's currently playing to roughly a +5 right now?

I'd also feel really bad about myself shooting a 96 in front of him. Least the guy broke triple digits.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:46 PM

Canyon West looks pretty decent, compared to the muni courses around me... I want to see a pro play a muni course (or basically an un-groomed course) in the northeast, with the unranked gravel and sand bunkers, soft and hard packed... the grass knots all around the greens, the gees crap all on the fairways etc..
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 01:54 PM

View PostMdemuth, on 13 April 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Canyon West looks pretty decent, compared to the muni courses around me... I want to see a pro play a muni course (or basically an un-groomed course) in the northeast, with the unranked gravel and sand bunkers, soft and hard packed... the grass knots all around the greens, the gees crap all on the fairways etc..

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:05 PM

View Postwcbjr, on 13 April 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:


Ol' TNT was almost right there with him.  Just didn't get the breaks that day.   A few more buckets per week and a new shaft in his driver, and he will be right there.
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:11 PM

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 13 April 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

View Postwcbjr, on 13 April 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:


Ol' TNT was almost right there with him.  Just didn't get the breaks that day.   A few more buckets per week and a new shaft in his driver, and he will be right there.

True, but GAR's net bird on No. 2 really kept the team going when Rahmbo wasn't carrying his weight.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:51 PM

JR had a chance to be the #1 player in the world this year.  He played at a course 1000 yards shorter than what he normally plays with likely moderate rough.  That is a fantastic score and it just shows that these guys who "live under par" are really good.  Check that.  They're beyond good.
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:02 PM

A local guy who is now on the web.com tour shot 62 (-10) from our regular tees a few years ago in a pro am. I think second amongst the pros was 68. Was a real eye opener for me how good these guys are.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:15 PM

View Postnichho, on 13 April 2018 - 02:20 AM, said:

View Postborker, on 13 April 2018 - 01:18 AM, said:

I know this question comes up once in while and I've also wondered myself. What would a pro shoot at one of the many public "Normal" courses we play? John Rahm played Canyon West somewhere in Texas. Looks like it is rated 72.6/136 from the back.

Here is the course scorecard:  http://www.canyonwestgolf.com/scorecard/

And here is his scorecard...  :swoon:

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I played with Wayne Levi in 1992, two years after winning the PGA Tour player of the year.  We played 9 holes at a public course and he shot....

-1 under par.

Like Marino states in the column...he was probably never going to shoot over par, but it would be difficult for him to go ridiculously low.









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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:40 AM

on the other hand, i wonder what i would shoot on a pga tour course? of course i would play from the front greens, but marshals would find my ball everywhere, endless roll when hitting a drive on the fairway, perfect greens, perfect bunkers.
would i shoot lower than on my local muni?

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:50 AM

View Postcliche, on 14 April 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

on the other hand, i wonder what i would shoot on a pga tour course? of course i would play from the front greens, but marshals would find my ball everywhere, endless roll when hitting a drive on the fairway, perfect greens, perfect bunkers.
would i shoot lower than on my local muni?

No


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:59 AM

View PostRobS14526, on 13 April 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

View PostAshley Schaeffer, on 13 April 2018 - 02:05 PM, said:

View Postwcbjr, on 13 April 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:


Ol' TNT was almost right there with him.  Just didn't get the breaks that day.   A few more buckets per week and a new shaft in his driver, and he will be right there.

True, but GAR's net bird on No. 2 really kept the team going when Rahmbo wasn't carrying his weight.

So true.  GAR was the star player there for a while.  If it wasn't for that small stretch of double, bogey, bogey, double, double, bogey to start the back, he would have been right there with TNT.  Bad luck.  It was basically a stripe show with Rahmbo, TNT, and GAR playing in the same group. I like that they were paired together; something for the kids to brag about seeing.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:47 AM

View Postmjen43, on 14 April 2018 - 01:50 AM, said:

View Postcliche, on 14 April 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

on the other hand, i wonder what i would shoot on a pga tour course? of course i would play from the front greens, but marshals would find my ball everywhere, endless roll when hitting a drive on the fairway, perfect greens, perfect bunkers.
would i shoot lower than on my local muni?

No

I can see why it might seem possible. How many times have you seen a good round destroyed because of a lost ball, not lost in one of those places that no man has ever ventured, but lost in the three inch stuff just off the fairway because you're looking in the wrong place, Marshalls take care of that.
And the five iron into the firm green instead of nine iron, the huge roll out will take care of that.
And that little hop 12 inches from the hole that denied you your par, perfect greens will fix it.

However on the flip side when you do have to hit five iron in it is unlikely to hold on those firm green. And the chip back, you'll judge it based on your slow greens at home and leave a ten footer coming back.

The final outcome, I have absolutely no idea but I'd love to find out.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:20 AM

Jon Rahm has arrow pointed straight up as far as his career. Needs to start winning more but the talent is there.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:47 AM

Thomas, Rahm, a resurgent Jordan, DJ, Rory showing some signs....gonna be a good year. I was talking to our assistant earlier in the week about what a tour pro would shoot round out course. We agreed 63 at the worst, par 71, 6300 yards but needs precision. Simon Dyson hadn't played our course for a few years, turned up for an Open regional qualifier, no practice round. Shot 66, went home. No effort. John Bickerton shot 62 in a friendly and had never played the course before. I dare to think what Rahm would score...at least 4 par 4s would be in range and 2 of our 3 par 5s would a 3 wood and mid to short iron.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:43 AM

View Postscottc25, on 13 April 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

Is one of the courses at PGA Pro school calligraphy? Seems like every one of em has it.

That and shirt folding. Without it, you don't graduate!

Edited by larrybud, 15 April 2018 - 08:44 AM.


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Posted 15 April 2018 - 09:48 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 April 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

So he's currently playing to roughly a +5 right now?

I'd also feel really bad about myself shooting a 96 in front of him. Least the guy broke triple digits.

Actually he is currently about +9 or +10.

He does have a cap at Whisper Rock = +6.8

On this course rated 136 slope his course handicap = +6.8 x 136 / 113 = +8.18 - which rounds to +8

If you look at his scoring record at ghin, it is incomplete. If you look at his scoring record at pagtour.com, and use just his best half of scores, it would be at least +9 or +10. He averages about 66-67 on his best half and the ratings would be in the 74-78 range.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:05 AM

View PostAdamSecrest, on 13 April 2018 - 12:37 PM, said:

Also, a couple years ago Beau Hossler shot a 65 in the Augusta University tournament at Forest Hills. It's 7100, par 72 with a rating of 74.3/137.

There was a 65 and several 66s in this year's event and the field wasn't particularly strong, so not sure that's really much of an accomplishment.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:18 AM

That is one hard 394 yard 2 hdcp hole...wow.

Edit:  Anyone seen this guy lately?http://www.golf.com/...57-state-junior

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:58 AM

View Postcliche, on 14 April 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

on the other hand, i wonder what i would shoot on a pga tour course? of course i would play from the front greens, but marshals would find my ball everywhere, endless roll when hitting a drive on the fairway, perfect greens, perfect bunkers.
would i shoot lower than on my local muni?

No

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:04 PM

Welp Rahm just won with a -20 on what I would assume is a fairly typical PGA level course. Looked like some deep rough... water hazards with pins tucked right next to them... etc.

I watched the highlights of his rounds and what really stood out is his ability to get up and down from literally anywhere. He wasn't really that accurate into the greens and it wasn't like he was draining everything under the sun. However, every single less than stellar shot he made, he followed up with an incredible recovery, usually from a wacky lie in the rough.

Even though it's a small sample size it could be somewhat safe to say that a typical PGA set up for a guy like JR is playing about 8 shots harder than your typical back tees muni. So if a scratch is shooting in the low 70's at his own track, it could be reasonable to say he could shoot low 80s on a PGA set up.

So to answer the proverbial WRX question: Could a scratch shoot 85 at Augusta - I say yes.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:09 PM

Another oddity of Canyon West golf course is the front-end loader that was buried under the 13th fairway.  Allegedly the former owners of the course used stolen equipment to build it and then buried the equipment under the golf course.  A decade or more ago insurance investigators dug up 13 to recover the loader.  It was temporarily played as GUR.  I don't think anyone ever got charged with anything.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:37 PM

Meh...

A high school senior just did it also....

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:49 PM

View PostObee, on 16 April 2018 - 06:37 PM, said:

Meh...

A high school senior just did it also....

;-)

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:10 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 13 April 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

Probably got hired to set a course record

A  good Asian Tour player holds a handicap on a Thai  based handicap system using all his Pro rounds plus all his casual stuff in Thailand and the Usa.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:23 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 13 April 2018 - 06:34 AM, said:

View Postb.helts, on 13 April 2018 - 04:28 AM, said:

Whoever did that scoreboard is phenomenal. Beautiful chisel tip work.

It’s so good that the main letters almost look like stamps. Hard to believe anyone’s calligraphy could be that good and fast enough to do a large number of cards in a reasonable time frame.  Crazy.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:56 PM

View PostAB1102, on 17 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

View PostJagpilotohio, on 13 April 2018 - 06:34 AM, said:

View Postb.helts, on 13 April 2018 - 04:28 AM, said:

Whoever did that scoreboard is phenomenal. Beautiful chisel tip work.

Itís so good that the main letters almost look like stamps. Hard to believe anyoneís calligraphy could be that good and fast enough to do a large number of cards in a reasonable time frame.  Crazy.
I have seen these done with cardboard stencils

The numbers are close to identical but not identical. Iím pretty sure that was done by hand.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 06:16 PM

View PostJackhammer993, on 14 April 2018 - 03:20 AM, said:

Jon Rahm has arrow pointed straight up as far as his career. Needs to start winning more but the talent is there.

Bad take - he’s been a pro less than 2 years and has 5 wins already....not sure who you’re using as a reference here...

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 09:36 PM

That kid .... that is some golf right there.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 11:15 PM

so Rahm is only player of those 4 to make a single birdie?
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