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Posted 12 April 2018 - 09:31 AM

I am looking at purchasing a golf watch and I think I am leaning towards the S60.  Who out there has one and do you like it?


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#2 Stuart G.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:09 AM

I have one and it's nice but many times I prefer to use my x40.   If I'm an unfamiliar course, the full hole view of the s60 is nice and I do like the tempo measurements when on the range working on the swing, and the larger display (compared to the x40) is nice on my old eyes, however much of the functionality is not something I use.   And the s60 doesn't sit as securely/comfortably on the wrist, it's awkward to use the full hole view to get specific yardages (finger is too big and display too small for any accuracy picking a location), and it's fairly easy for the side buttons on the s60 to get hit accidentally during the swing - more so then it used to with my older s3.  

So it really depends on what you want/need from your gps watch, for many the s20 or even the new x10 might be the 'best'.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:04 AM

I agree with what Stuart G. posted above.  

I have S20 and S60.  I also tested many other watches, but Garmin is my first choice.  S20 is much more comfortable and easier to use.  S60 has nice features but I hardly use many of the features.  To use the map to pin point is nightmare to use.  That said, I had the S60 for about 6 months now and getting used to its bulkiness.  It does have nice customizable features, tons of watch faces and other free apps you can download.  I also like the fact that it has hole layout for new course I play.  I do not use my phone apps any longer and hardly use my range finder.

Over all, I don’t think you can go wrong with either S20 or S60.

Note to Garmin:  PLEASE give us easier access to hazards, bunkers and layups.

Edited by Norboo, 13 April 2018 - 08:05 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:24 AM

The thing I liked about the S60 is the fact that it is a round face.  I was thinking about buying an apple watch a few years back, but I like the traditional styling of a round watch vs the square face.  I do like the fact that the S20 is $200 less than the S60.  Has it been tough getting used to how bulky the S60 is?

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:24 AM

View PostPiersm2, on 13 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

The thing I liked about the S60 is the fact that it is a round face.  I was thinking about buying an apple watch a few years back, but I like the traditional styling of a round watch vs the square face.  I do like the fact that the S20 is $200 less than the S60.  Has it been tough getting used to how bulky the S60 is?

When I first bought it, I hated the bulkiness.  So, I started to wear it everyday to get used to it.  After few weeks, It wasn't too bad but when wearing long sleeves in the colder months, it is bothersome.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 05:21 AM

View PostPiersm2, on 13 April 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

Has it been tough getting used to how bulky the S60 is?

I've never thought of the s60 as being bulky at all.  I was actually surprised to find it had a slightly slimmer profile then my older s3.  

But then my normal, every day watch used to be a Suunto Vector - so it takes a lot before something seems bulky to me.

The main problem I had with it from the standpoint of comfort was that the back and transition to the straps is flat and not contoured like the s3 or x40.  It just doesn't feel like it sits as securely on the wrist as the other two.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:45 AM

After 6 months of normal use, battery doesn't hold it's charge as well.  I fully charged night before playing, after 18 holes, I had 36% left.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:51 AM

I looked into the S60 and wound up going with the Forerunner 935. It was a little more money, but it does a whole lot more stuff that I wanted. All the added features on the S60 that the Forerunner 935 doesn't have are either too fiddly or against the rules anyway (like the where's the hole thing - sounds useful, but you can't use it while playing to the rules). They're both about the same size and I have had no issue playing while wearing it. The S60 doesn't have a heart rate monitor, which I wanted and I've also been trying to work on my fitness and the Forerunner does so much more there too.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:34 AM

What I do like about the S60 is the ability to track shots, swing path, distances, etc, as well as the common smart watch features.  Am I able to get this with the 935 or even other models?

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Posted 02 July 2018 - 09:30 PM

I have an S4 that the screen died on me recently.  I'm thinking of the S60 but am wondering if current s60 owners have issues with the side buttons being accidentally pressed during your swing?  I found this to be my biggest beef with my S4 and wondering if the S60 has similar issues.

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Posted 03 July 2018 - 04:07 AM

View PostGman27, on 02 July 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

I have an S4 that the screen died on me recently.  I'm thinking of the S60 but am wondering if current s60 owners have issues with the side buttons being accidentally pressed during your swing?  I found this to be my biggest beef with my S4 and wondering if the S60 has similar issues.

All the time.  You can set the watch to lock the buttons and screen automatically during an activity (while playing).  It does a decent job of avoiding the accidental button press issues BUT then it also makes it a bit of a plain when you really do need to press a button or use the touch screen (such as for entering scores, etc) since you have to manually unlock the unit before you can use it.

They really need to add some button guards to the casing.

The x40 doesn't have that issue (no side buttons), but of course it's a lot more limited in what it can do compared to the s60.

Edited by Stuart G., 03 July 2018 - 04:08 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2018 - 05:47 PM

I love my s60 that I just started using....I really enjoy the auto shot tracker

but I am a little concerned with the battery, it says it should last 10 hours in golf mode...

I just played a round by myself in 3 hours and the battery was already at 50% (after a full charge). This is literally only my 4 or 5th time using since I got it in June.

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Posted 03 July 2018 - 06:00 PM

View PostGman27, on 02 July 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

I have an S4 that the screen died on me recently.  I'm thinking of the S60 but am wondering if current s60 owners have issues with the side buttons being accidentally pressed during your swing?  I found this to be my biggest beef with my S4 and wondering if the S60 has similar issues.

I haven't had it happen on mine. Its a really nice watch and the larger size (than the X40) is really nice for me.

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 04:45 AM

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I love my s60 that I just started using....I really enjoy the auto shot tracker

but I am a little concerned with the battery, it says it should last 10 hours in golf mode...

I just played a round by myself in 3 hours and the battery was already at 50% (after a full charge). This is literally only my 4 or 5th time using since I got it in June.

has anyone tried reaching out to garmin about this type of issue, just curious

Garmin support is usually very good.   10 hours may be an optimistic but I usually have ~55% left after a 4 hour round.  Also there are several settings that can effect battery usage.  e.g. Bluetooth connections, back light settings (how bright and what activates the back light).

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 04:52 AM

View PostStuart G., on 04 July 2018 - 04:45 AM, said:

View Postvietnameeh, on 03 July 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

I love my s60 that I just started using....I really enjoy the auto shot tracker

but I am a little concerned with the battery, it says it should last 10 hours in golf mode...

I just played a round by myself in 3 hours and the battery was already at 50% (after a full charge). This is literally only my 4 or 5th time using since I got it in June.

has anyone tried reaching out to garmin about this type of issue, just curious

Garmin support is usually very good.   10 hours may be an optimistic but I usually have ~55% left after a 4 hour round.  Also there are several settings that can effect battery usage.  e.g. Bluetooth connections, back light settings (how bright and what activates the back light).
Good call on backlighting. If the s60 screen is anything like my Vivoactive 3, it's not needed in daylight and it performs no function in daylight other than wasting battery.

Edited by BlackDiamondPar5, 04 July 2018 - 04:52 AM.


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Posted 07 July 2018 - 12:57 PM

Im sure it's a great watch when it comes to hardware and functions but what about Garmin's way of measuring the courses?

I had a S60 on order but after giving my fathers new G30 a try I decided to cancel it.
I really loved the hardware of the G30, the screen is great and as other mentioned about the S60 you don't need backlight during daylight.

I found Garmins way of measuring courses using imagery (satellite photo?) is to much of an error source.
Think of it, on a satellite photo you can easily determine the outer edges of a bunker or a water hazard so these distances are usually accurate, but what about the greens?
Do you think they can easily determine the difference between green and foregreen?

On my home course several green measures where way off and it was apparent they had mapped outer edges of the foregreen instead of the green.
Not a big deal you might say but several measure where 10-15 yards off, on a few holes even more.

Now, Garmin got a function that allow you to point out where on the green the flag is located, to give you a better precision.
On greens that are mapped incorrectly this will still give a false distance reading since the proportions of the greens differ from real life.

It's a pity the mapping ain't better than this because I love their hardware. Maybe they could offer some sort of premium subscription service like Skycaddie to get access to validated measures.

Please note that most of the holes on my course had decent measures, some where spot on and others just a few yards off, something I can live with. However, on 4 holes the green measure was more than a club off. I remember when Garmin first launched their watches and golfing buddies got strange measures, it's been many years since then so I somehow thought the errors on my home course had been reported and fixed, no they are apparently still there. Hence I decided to cancel my order, if mapping error still exists after a long time (decade?) how can I trust the measure it gives me on the other 39.999 courses?

I haven't even tried Skycaddie but used to do my own manual mapping on an old iGolf Neo and it was often accurate even compared to laser. It beats me why people don't react more about this, maybe they are clueless and the people who actually care about exact distances use a laser rangefinder instead?

Feel free to test how accurate your own device is.
Move up the 100yds/meter marker, make a note of the distances to the front and back of the green (or just take a photo with your phone).
Select the shot measuring function of your watch or hand held device.
Reset this distance and start walking towards the front of the green.
At the front of the green make a note of the distance or take another photo and then move up to the back of the green (without resetting the shot distance) and make a note of that distance as well.
Compare the distances from the shot function with the initial values from the 100yds/meter marker.

Repeat for the next hole.

If your home course is like mine with quite long fore/back green areas there is a risk that some mapping errors have been done, resulting in unusable green distance values on a few holes (hopefully just a few).

Sorry for eventual and probable grammatic errors, English is not my first language.

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 02:09 PM

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

Im sure it's a great watch when it comes to hardware and functions but what about Garmin's way of measuring the courses?

I had a S60 on order but after giving my fathers new G30 a try I decided to cancel it.
I really loved the hardware of the G30, the screen is great and as other mentioned about the S60 you don't need backlight during daylight.

I found Garmins way of measuring courses using imagery (satellite photo?) is to much of an error source.
Think of it, on a satellite photo you can easily determine the outer edges of a bunker or a water hazard so these distances are usually accurate, but what about the greens?
Do you think they can easily determine the difference between green and foregreen?

On my home course several green measures where way off and it was apparent they had mapped outer edges of the foregreen instead of the green.
Not a big deal you might say but several measure where 10-15 yards off, on a few holes even more.

Now, Garmin got a function that allow you to point out where on the green the flag is located, to give you a better precision.
On greens that are mapped incorrectly this will still give a false distance reading since the proportions of the greens differ from real life.

It's a pity the mapping ain't better than this because I love their hardware. Maybe they could offer some sort of premium subscription service like Skycaddie to get access to validated measures.

Please note that most of the holes on my course had decent measures, some where spot on and others just a few yards off, something I can live with. However, on 4 holes the green measure was more than a club off. I remember when Garmin first launched their watches and golfing buddies got strange measures, it's been many years since then so I somehow thought the errors on my home course had been reported and fixed, no they are apparently still there. Hence I decided to cancel my order, if mapping error still exists after a long time (decade?) how can I trust the measure it gives me on the other 39.999 courses?

I haven't even tried Skycaddie but used to do my own manual mapping on an old iGolf Neo and it was often accurate even compared to laser. It beats me why people don't react more about this, maybe they are clueless and the people who actually care about exact distances use a laser rangefinder instead?

Feel free to test how accurate your own device is.
Move up the 100yds/meter marker, make a note of the distances to the front and back of the green (or just take a photo with your phone).
Select the shot measuring function of your watch or hand held device.
Reset this distance and start walking towards the front of the green.
At the front of the green make a note of the distance or take another photo and then move up to the back of the green (without resetting the shot distance) and make a note of that distance as well.
Compare the distances from the shot function with the initial values from the 100yds/meter marker.

Repeat for the next hole.

If your home course is like mine with quite long fore/back green areas there is a risk that some mapping errors have been done, resulting in unusable green distance values on a few holes (hopefully just a few).

Sorry for eventual and probable grammatic errors, English is not my first language.
It's generally aerial imagery not satellite that's used. It's quite proven that it is very accurate. Perhaps some regions of the world the mapping isn't so great because of limited aerial imagery but in the US the images are routinely better than a foot accuracy. The US courses I've played with Garmin are commonly 0-3 yards from markers and maybe 10% of the time 5 yards.

PS, your writing in English is very good. :)

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 03:06 PM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 07 July 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

Im sure it's a great watch when it comes to hardware and functions but what about Garmin's way of measuring the courses?

I had a S60 on order but after giving my fathers new G30 a try I decided to cancel it.
I really loved the hardware of the G30, the screen is great and as other mentioned about the S60 you don't need backlight during daylight.

I found Garmins way of measuring courses using imagery (satellite photo?) is to much of an error source.
Think of it, on a satellite photo you can easily determine the outer edges of a bunker or a water hazard so these distances are usually accurate, but what about the greens?
Do you think they can easily determine the difference between green and foregreen?

On my home course several green measures where way off and it was apparent they had mapped outer edges of the foregreen instead of the green.
Not a big deal you might say but several measure where 10-15 yards off, on a few holes even more.

Now, Garmin got a function that allow you to point out where on the green the flag is located, to give you a better precision.
On greens that are mapped incorrectly this will still give a false distance reading since the proportions of the greens differ from real life.

It's a pity the mapping ain't better than this because I love their hardware. Maybe they could offer some sort of premium subscription service like Skycaddie to get access to validated measures.

Please note that most of the holes on my course had decent measures, some where spot on and others just a few yards off, something I can live with. However, on 4 holes the green measure was more than a club off. I remember when Garmin first launched their watches and golfing buddies got strange measures, it's been many years since then so I somehow thought the errors on my home course had been reported and fixed, no they are apparently still there. Hence I decided to cancel my order, if mapping error still exists after a long time (decade?) how can I trust the measure it gives me on the other 39.999 courses?

I haven't even tried Skycaddie but used to do my own manual mapping on an old iGolf Neo and it was often accurate even compared to laser. It beats me why people don't react more about this, maybe they are clueless and the people who actually care about exact distances use a laser rangefinder instead?

Feel free to test how accurate your own device is.
Move up the 100yds/meter marker, make a note of the distances to the front and back of the green (or just take a photo with your phone).
Select the shot measuring function of your watch or hand held device.
Reset this distance and start walking towards the front of the green.
At the front of the green make a note of the distance or take another photo and then move up to the back of the green (without resetting the shot distance) and make a note of that distance as well.
Compare the distances from the shot function with the initial values from the 100yds/meter marker.

Repeat for the next hole.

If your home course is like mine with quite long fore/back green areas there is a risk that some mapping errors have been done, resulting in unusable green distance values on a few holes (hopefully just a few).

Sorry for eventual and probable grammatic errors, English is not my first language.
It's generally aerial imagery not satellite that's used. It's quite proven that it is very accurate. Perhaps some regions of the world the mapping isn't so great because of limited aerial imagery but in the US the images are routinely better than a foot accuracy. The US courses I've played with Garmin are commonly 0-3 yards from markers and maybe 10% of the time 5 yards.

PS, your writing in English is very good. :)

Thanks for your reply, image quality is a very good point as that could make it hard to differentiate green/foregreen.

An easy give away to if the distance to green is correct or not on devices with a course image (the G-series and I guess also the S60) is too look at the distance arcs on the device and compare that to the markers on course. If you stand at a marker and the arc is not crossing that marker or atleast very close by its either the marker or device that is incorrect. (Usually device since marker should be laser measured). You could then use the shot measure function from the marker to front/back of green to check what is failing.

Edited by Reckie, 07 July 2018 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 08 July 2018 - 04:49 AM

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

An easy give away to if the distance to green is correct or not on devices with a course image (the G-series and I guess also the S60) is too look at the distance arcs on the device and compare that to the markers on course.

I disagree.   I've been on plenty of courses where the distance marks are horrible.    A much better way is a laser.  Take a reading on the gps unit from a tree or something that can be easily targeted with a laser from the green (front, back or middle), when looking back.

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 10:42 AM

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 07 July 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

Im sure it's a great watch when it comes to hardware and functions but what about Garmin's way of measuring the courses?

I had a S60 on order but after giving my fathers new G30 a try I decided to cancel it.
I really loved the hardware of the G30, the screen is great and as other mentioned about the S60 you don't need backlight during daylight.

I found Garmins way of measuring courses using imagery (satellite photo?) is to much of an error source.
Think of it, on a satellite photo you can easily determine the outer edges of a bunker or a water hazard so these distances are usually accurate, but what about the greens?
Do you think they can easily determine the difference between green and foregreen?

On my home course several green measures where way off and it was apparent they had mapped outer edges of the foregreen instead of the green.
Not a big deal you might say but several measure where 10-15 yards off, on a few holes even more.

Now, Garmin got a function that allow you to point out where on the green the flag is located, to give you a better precision.
On greens that are mapped incorrectly this will still give a false distance reading since the proportions of the greens differ from real life.

It's a pity the mapping ain't better than this because I love their hardware. Maybe they could offer some sort of premium subscription service like Skycaddie to get access to validated measures.

Please note that most of the holes on my course had decent measures, some where spot on and others just a few yards off, something I can live with. However, on 4 holes the green measure was more than a club off. I remember when Garmin first launched their watches and golfing buddies got strange measures, it's been many years since then so I somehow thought the errors on my home course had been reported and fixed, no they are apparently still there. Hence I decided to cancel my order, if mapping error still exists after a long time (decade?) how can I trust the measure it gives me on the other 39.999 courses?

I haven't even tried Skycaddie but used to do my own manual mapping on an old iGolf Neo and it was often accurate even compared to laser. It beats me why people don't react more about this, maybe they are clueless and the people who actually care about exact distances use a laser rangefinder instead?

Feel free to test how accurate your own device is.
Move up the 100yds/meter marker, make a note of the distances to the front and back of the green (or just take a photo with your phone).
Select the shot measuring function of your watch or hand held device.
Reset this distance and start walking towards the front of the green.
At the front of the green make a note of the distance or take another photo and then move up to the back of the green (without resetting the shot distance) and make a note of that distance as well.
Compare the distances from the shot function with the initial values from the 100yds/meter marker.

Repeat for the next hole.

If your home course is like mine with quite long fore/back green areas there is a risk that some mapping errors have been done, resulting in unusable green distance values on a few holes (hopefully just a few).

Sorry for eventual and probable grammatic errors, English is not my first language.
It's generally aerial imagery not satellite that's used. It's quite proven that it is very accurate. Perhaps some regions of the world the mapping isn't so great because of limited aerial imagery but in the US the images are routinely better than a foot accuracy. The US courses I've played with Garmin are commonly 0-3 yards from markers and maybe 10% of the time 5 yards.

PS, your writing in English is very good. :)

Thanks for your reply, image quality is a very good point as that could make it hard to differentiate green/foregreen.

An easy give away to if the distance to green is correct or not on devices with a course image (the G-series and I guess also the S60) is too look at the distance arcs on the device and compare that to the markers on course. If you stand at a marker and the arc is not crossing that marker or atleast very close by its either the marker or device that is incorrect. (Usually device since marker should be laser measured). You could then use the shot measure function from the marker to front/back of green to check what is failing.
Reckie, I've owned 4 different golf GPS devices since about 2009. A Golf Guru (excellent product though unfortunately no longer in business), Bushnell Neo-X watch, Garmin approach x40 and now a Garmin Vivoactive 3.   I tested all these products extensively on US and some Canadian courses. When I'm near an embedded yardage marker I always compare the GPS reading, and I will tell you that it's unusual to find more than a 5 yard deviation and typically is 3 yards or less from the marker and GPS reading. I don't see aerial mapping as inferior to walking a golf course to map it.


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Posted 26 July 2018 - 11:18 PM

I spent about a year borrowing different watches or clip-on units, and a bevy of different phone apps.
And I finally settled on the Garmin S60 and couldn't be happier.
It does have a bunch of features I don't really take advantage of, being as I don't use it as an every day watch, but the golf related features all work as advertised. And while it did have it's own learning curve, like any unit, once I got the hang of it it worked like a breeze. And contrary to some of the yardage issue complaints, I've found it to be easily as accurate as any of my buddies' rangefinders.

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Posted 27 July 2018 - 09:47 AM

I love my S60 ceramic. Use it 3-4 times a week. Occasional accidental button press, but very rarely... usually only happens with a new glove before it gets broken in.

It very consistently uses 40-45% of battery during a round, could easily get 36 holes from it. Battery lasts nearly 2 weeks if I don't use it for golf. I completely disabled the backlight though, I couldn't care less about seeing my watch when I'm in bed.

Also love the auto shot tracker, and stat tracking. It's great to review your round shot by shot after on the phone app, and nice to easily see how many fairways and putts hit. Plus it's always fun to see the recorded distance of the shots you hit when you really catch a a good drive.

Only small complaints are that the orientation of the greens is off a bit on my home course, however it doesn't actually make too much of a difference for front/middle/back measurements. I can't hit my shots within 1yd of accuracy anyways, so it doesn't matter too much to me... also that it's not as good as a laser for measuring distance to certain trees or w/e. Easy to measure distance to a hazard, but hard to pick a random item next to the fairway.

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Posted 30 July 2018 - 09:06 AM

I don’t see where the method of mapping is that critical. Typically the collar of a green is 3 to 6 feet so not that big a deal. I was under the impression that everyone except Skycaddue measured the courses the same way. Also I wonder about Skycaddue’s claim that their method is best. When I worked in a pro shop a few years ago the course had some renovations done. Several bunkers were converted to grass depressions and some new bunkers added. Skycaddie never came out to walk the course. This brings up the question of how does Skycaddie know to revisit a course? I know with my Bushnell Excel watch if I spot an error or other issue I contact them and usually in a week or two it’s updated. I just go to their web site and wait to see an updated date posted for that course then I Bluetooth download it to my watch. Easy.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 08:04 AM

3 things I wish Garmin would change on S60:
  • Better battery life.  No way I can get two rounds in on a single charge.
  • Easier access to Hazards
  • Screen is too easy to touch by accident and moves to different hole.  I have to always remember to double check which hole I’m on.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:56 PM

I have the X40, it last long and is never in the way of my swing. But you have to buy what you like and feel works with you.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:56 PM

Are there any of the watches that can give you a battery life for more than 2 rounds ?

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Posted 15 August 2018 - 03:54 AM

The one with the best battery life I ran into was Bushnell Neo XS - roughly 12 hours.  The more current Bushnell ION2 is also supposed to last for 12 hours in golf mode.   But that's about the same or a little less than the s20 (probably the best battery life of the Garmin's).  The new Garmin x10 is (reportedly) also about 12 hours.

The downside of the Bushnell watches was that course updates were a PITA.  You had to manually check each course individually to see if it was up-to-date or not and update them individually.   Don't know if that's been addressed in the newer model or software.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 08:24 PM

I like the functionality of the S60 but the button placement is really annoying.  I have fairly large wrists and when I swing the club, the buttons depress when in contact with my wrist so I'm constantly having to mess with them to get to the right screen on the watch for distance.  I tried wearing it on both hands and it didn't help.  I have many of the other Garmin watches and this is the only one that I've had this problem with.
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 08:55 PM

View PostReckie, on 07 July 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

Im sure it's a great watch when it comes to hardware and functions but what about Garmin's way of measuring the courses?

I had a S60 on order but after giving my fathers new G30 a try I decided to cancel it.
I really loved the hardware of the G30, the screen is great and as other mentioned about the S60 you don't need backlight during daylight.

I found Garmins way of measuring courses using imagery (satellite photo?) is to much of an error source.
Think of it, on a satellite photo you can easily determine the outer edges of a bunker or a water hazard so these distances are usually accurate, but what about the greens?
Do you think they can easily determine the difference between green and foregreen?

On my home course several green measures where way off and it was apparent they had mapped outer edges of the foregreen instead of the green.
Not a big deal you might say but several measure where 10-15 yards off, on a few holes even more.

Now, Garmin got a function that allow you to point out where on the green the flag is located, to give you a better precision.
On greens that are mapped incorrectly this will still give a false distance reading since the proportions of the greens differ from real life.

It's a pity the mapping ain't better than this because I love their hardware. Maybe they could offer some sort of premium subscription service like Skycaddie to get access to validated measures.

Please note that most of the holes on my course had decent measures, some where spot on and others just a few yards off, something I can live with. However, on 4 holes the green measure was more than a club off. I remember when Garmin first launched their watches and golfing buddies got strange measures, it's been many years since then so I somehow thought the errors on my home course had been reported and fixed, no they are apparently still there. Hence I decided to cancel my order, if mapping error still exists after a long time (decade?) how can I trust the measure it gives me on the other 39.999 courses?

I haven't even tried Skycaddie but used to do my own manual mapping on an old iGolf Neo and it was often accurate even compared to laser. It beats me why people don't react more about this, maybe they are clueless and the people who actually care about exact distances use a laser rangefinder instead?

Feel free to test how accurate your own device is.
Move up the 100yds/meter marker, make a note of the distances to the front and back of the green (or just take a photo with your phone).
Select the shot measuring function of your watch or hand held device.
Reset this distance and start walking towards the front of the green.
At the front of the green make a note of the distance or take another photo and then move up to the back of the green (without resetting the shot distance) and make a note of that distance as well.
Compare the distances from the shot function with the initial values from the 100yds/meter marker.

Repeat for the next hole.

If your home course is like mine with quite long fore/back green areas there is a risk that some mapping errors have been done, resulting in unusable green distance values on a few holes (hopefully just a few).

Sorry for eventual and probable grammatic errors, English is not my first language.

I played a round with one of my usual partners this weekend. He has a S60. Usually his distances on the S60 and my Garmin G3 are pretty close. His S60 was all over the place on this particular course. It was very strange.. yardages were checked using a laser range finder. This is the only time I had seen such differences between our devices. Maybe just this course?

Great looking watch though. Lots of nice features.

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 03:36 AM

View Postnew2g0lf, on 19 August 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

I like the functionality of the S60 but the button placement is really annoying.  I have fairly large wrists and when I swing the club, the buttons depress when in contact with my wrist so I'm constantly having to mess with them to get to the right screen on the watch for distance.  I tried wearing it on both hands and it didn't help.  I have many of the other Garmin watches and this is the only one that I've had this problem with.

I find the same things. On the range - with slower motion work and more deliberate rehearsal swings - I've even accidentally powered off the unit.

Have you tried setting the unit to lock the screen "during an activity"? I find it helps a lot with that particular problem - although it's not a perfect fix because it locks both the buttons and the touch screen.  Every time you do want to change screens or enter a score or stats, you have to unlock the device first.   And you can still accidentally unlock it - although that doesn't happen too much on the golf course.

Edited by Stuart G., 20 August 2018 - 03:37 AM.


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