R.I.P Bridgestone Firestone CC
Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:59 AM
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:00 AM
Reno and Greensboro are a couple places I wanna play
Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:18 AM
Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:20 AM
I’ve had a lot of fun watching and playing at Firestone CC. One year the tournament was played at the North Course because the greens on the South were damaged and that was as much or more of a challenge for the pros as the South. Shorter, but easier to get into trouble.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 11:21 AM
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 12:26 PM
Your post makes zero sense considering they are moving this tourney to Memphis where it will almost certainly be hotter and stickier than Akron. Jack's tourney has zero to do with this decision. It is an entirely separate event with no bearing on anything here.
Yeah, but nobody WANTS the tourney in Memphis either. Except FedEx. And they pay the bills, so....
Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:56 PM
Everyone keeps saying it is hard. We understand that, but what makes it good? Where is the strategy and decision making? Where are the options? Where are the interesting green complexes? Every single hole is long, narrow, and tree lined with similarly basic green complexes. It is trackman golf and the epitome of bomb and gauge/penal architecture. The only strategy is to mash driver as long and straight as you possibly can. There's just not much thought/imagination put it into the design. Sure, it's fair, but so is the trackman combine, that doesn't make it good.
It's original design was mutilated by RTJ for the sake of difficulty and it is a prime example of dark age era golf course architecture. Hopefully the US Open never steps foot on the site. I don't mind it for a regular tour event though, I just don't pretend it is interesting/thought provoking/strategic or anything more than what we've seen a million times. It's very similar to Torrey Pines (which I also wish wouldn't host US Opens). Can provide a fair tournament test, not so low scores, but doesn't really capture the imagination or provide any interesting/unique challenges.
How did RTJ mutilate? Nicklaus redesigned the green complexes when the greens were diseased. Every club in the bag is needed, so how does that take imagination away?
Posted 15 April 2018 - 04:58 PM
August golf in Ohio much awesomer than that bridge you play under.
Posted 15 April 2018 - 05:09 PM
Nostalgia and homerism are cousins. You've played the course and have memories attached to it; I get it.
Architecturally, Firestone is a complete abomination. This is not a controversial opinion in the GCA world.
The course is one long, narrow, tree-lined hole after another. 16 and 18 are the only memorable holes on the course, and I'd argue both are memorable for reasons that do nothing to compliment the layout.
We know 16 because it's essentially an unreachable beast with that stupid pond short and right of the green (and the narrow chute where you can run a ball up the left). When a course only has two par 5s, having one of them be an unreachable, uninteresting 3-shotter takes the fun out of both playing and watching.
(I don't know about you, but I don't play or watch golf for par saves or 15-foot birdie putts on par 5s.)
And we all know about 18 and its soft dogleg left because Tiger seemed to pull a Superman™ act there every year on Sunday.
Other than that, I'd be fine if the rest of the property were devoted to generating a corn subsidy.
Cornfield huh, you obviousy don't know where the property sits. If you are referring to the ASgca, RTJ was a founder, seriously doubt your word on that one.
Posted 15 April 2018 - 06:08 PM
August golf in Ohio much awesomer than that bridge you play under.
Good one Lloyd.
Posted 15 April 2018 - 07:59 PM
That being said, as a native Clevelander this is really sad. It was always a good tournament and Northeast Ohio is a nice place to be in August. With the PGA moving to May and the contraction of the fedex cup, this is yet another event that is leaving the northern half of America. It's astounding to me that between New York, Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Chicago, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland there will only be 3-4 tour events in these cities starting next year.
I know weather is a factor, but it's very nice for 3-4 months per year. It seems bad for the long term health of the game to ignore so many major markets, but maybe they know something I don't.
You forgot Detroit
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:06 PM
Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:53 PM
In 1976, it became a 72-hole, $300,000 PGA Tour event and its field was initially expanded to twenty; the victory and $100,000 winner's share went to Nicklaus. The largest first prize at a major in 1976 was $45,000 at the PGA Championship.
The World Series of Golf quickly became a leading event on the tour. For many years a victory in it gave a 10-year exemption on the PGA Tour, the same as was granted for a victory in a major championship at that time, and twice as long as is given even for winning a major now. The field consisted of the winners of all the high status men's professional golf tournaments around the world in the previous twelve months. This was quite different from the criteria for the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational listed above, but produced much the same sort of global field.
Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:11 PM
Yeah it's really tough once August comes around for us Ohioans. The commutes to golf courses out of state are enough to make us quit! But, I don't! I just commute to other states bc ya know "no one wants to play golf in Ohio (in August)." I mean I would never want to play the likes of Camargo Club, Muirfield Village, Inverness, The Golf Club, Double Eagle, Coldstream, Firestone, Brookside, Moraine, Scioto, or NCR. Those courses all suck I can't imagine having to play them.
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