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#61 yellowballs

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:32 AM

View Postrybo, on 15 April 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 15 April 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Gotcha.  I have a bad habit of over-analyzing.  I know it's subjective and depends on what feels ok TO ME, but in your opinion, do you think a minimum club length of 37" (in the wedges) is long enough for a WTF of 39.5?"

In my opinion a 39.5" WTF is more like a 38" - 38.5" minimum wedge length.  And you could easily go longer!

Think of it this way a 5' 9" person has an average WTF of 33.75" and a standard wedge is 35"!  That's 1.25" longer then their WTF!  38" is still way shorter then your WTF!

MY shortest wedge is 37.25" (lob) and I have 1/8" spacing from that club and at times they still feel a bit short.
I thought you might say that (and I see the logic), but man that seems long!  I feel like if my shortest club was 38" I'd have to go to 1/4" gaps as opposed to 3/8".  I don't really want a 3 iron longer than 40".


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:33 AM

View Postrybo, on 15 April 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostTexsport, on 15 April 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I happen to own a few clubs previously used by Nick Faldo, Ernie Els, and Phil Mickelson.

They are all 1/2 to 3/4" over standard.

Many LPGA Tour players use over length clubs - especially drivers.

Texsport

I was fortunate enough to walk 9 holes with Ernie many years ago during a charity event here in Naples and we had discussion about club lengths.  His arms are tremendously long for his height.  Easily 1"-2" longer then mine.

Was at The Masters on Friday and was fortunate to stand near Phil on a tee.  I was outside the ropes he was inside.  He is more like 6' 2" .  He was definitely shorter then me.
Did Ernie say anything insightful about club lengths?  His clubs?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:44 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 16 April 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

View Postrybo, on 15 April 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 15 April 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

Gotcha.  I have a bad habit of over-analyzing.  I know it's subjective and depends on what feels ok TO ME, but in your opinion, do you think a minimum club length of 37" (in the wedges) is long enough for a WTF of 39.5?"

In my opinion a 39.5" WTF is more like a 38" - 38.5" minimum wedge length.  And you could easily go longer!

Think of it this way a 5' 9" person has an average WTF of 33.75" and a standard wedge is 35"!  That's 1.25" longer then their WTF!  38" is still way shorter then your WTF!

MY shortest wedge is 37.25" (lob) and I have 1/8" spacing from that club and at times they still feel a bit short.
I thought you might say that (and I see the logic), but man that seems long!  I feel like if my shortest club was 38" I'd have to go to 1/4" gaps as opposed to 3/8".  I don't really want a 3 iron longer than 40".

Don't be scared brah

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:46 PM

View Postrybo, on 15 April 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostTexsport, on 15 April 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

I happen to own a few clubs previously used by Nick Faldo, Ernie Els, and Phil Mickelson.

They are all 1/2 to 3/4" over standard.

Many LPGA Tour players use over length clubs - especially drivers.

Texsport

I was fortunate enough to walk 9 holes with Ernie many years ago during a charity event here in Naples and we had discussion about club lengths.  His arms are tremendously long for his height.  Easily 1"-2" longer then mine.

Was at The Masters on Friday and was fortunate to stand near Phil on a tee.  I was outside the ropes he was inside.  He is more like 6' 2" .  He was definitely shorter then me.

How are you not going to share the deets on your chat with Ernie ?  Enlighten us


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:37 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 16 April 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

Did Ernie say anything insightful about club lengths?  His clubs?

He played +1/2" at that time in some Taylormade Burner Tour irons with the copper paint in the cavity.  This was during the bubble shaft era, so we're going way back in time!  He is a solid 6' 4" but his arms are very, very long for his height. We actually compared arm lengths at one point during our discussion.  I was amazed to see how much longer his arms were.   He was great to talk with and his swing is just so silky smooth.  I was surprised to see he played standard grips, he has large hands but he said that's what he was used to playing.

Knowing what I have learned on my own plus from those engineers in the field of ergonomics he is not the norm.  People with disproportionately longer arms then their height should dictate do exist but it's truly rare.  Maybe this is part of the puzzle of why he has been so successful in his career, he was able to play pretty close to standard length clubs while being exceptionally tall.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 06:46 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 16 April 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

I thought you might say that (and I see the logic), but man that seems long!  I feel like if my shortest club was 38" I'd have to go to 1/4" gaps as opposed to 3/8".  I don't really want a 3 iron longer than 40".

1/4" gaps are a perfectly viable build option.  My current set is 1/8" gaps (37.25" - 38.25", LW - 5 iron respectively) and have been looking at doing another set with 1/4" gapping due to the direct fact the 5 iron feels a bit short at times.  No issues with distance or direction, purely a feel thing I have noticed from time to time.  I do use a Srixon U65 4 iron that is 39.5" and there has been zero issues with the length.

Another way to look at the length needed is which of your current clubs has a 64* lie angle and what length is that club?  Whatever that club is, is pretty indicative of the length you really need as your shortest club.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:22 PM

One day all of us odd sized guys with over-length irons are going to have to meet.  Would be great fun to see what works and hit each other’s sticks.

One day all of us odd sized guys with over-length irons are going to have to meet.  Would be great fun to see what works and hit each other’s sticks.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:31 PM

View Postrybo, on 16 April 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 16 April 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

I thought you might say that (and I see the logic), but man that seems long!  I feel like if my shortest club was 38" I'd have to go to 1/4" gaps as opposed to 3/8".  I don't really want a 3 iron longer than 40".

1/4" gaps are a perfectly viable build option.  My current set is 1/8" gaps (37.25" - 38.25", LW - 5 iron respectively) and have been looking at doing another set with 1/4" gapping due to the direct fact the 5 iron feels a bit short at times.  No issues with distance or direction, purely a feel thing I have noticed from time to time.  I do use a Srixon U65 4 iron that is 39.5" and there has been zero issues with the length.

Another way to look at the length needed is which of your current clubs has a 64* lie angle and what length is that club?  Whatever that club is, is pretty indicative of the length you really need as your shortest club.
I'm sure that 5i does feel short at only 38.25.  Basically a stock 5i.

Regarding my shortest club, after reading your other thread and our correspondence whenever I get a new set my shortest club will not be less than 37.5 (which is still 2" less than my wtf).

Edited by yellowballs, 16 April 2018 - 07:31 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:31 PM

I'm 6'2 and played 1" over at 2* upright. Tonight I just put a set of Recoil 95 F3 shafts in my clubs I bought used off an online retailer and the shafts are standard length. I'm going to try it at that length to see how I do.
I was always 2* upright but the last few years or more played 1" longer due to help get me more upright to relieve the sore back. The back is better so I'll see what happens at stock length.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:23 AM

View PostMikeski, on 16 April 2018 - 10:31 PM, said:

I'm 6'2 and played 1" over at 2* upright. Tonight I just put a set of Recoil 95 F3 shafts in my clubs I bought used off an online retailer and the shafts are standard length. I'm going to try it at that length to see how I do.
I was always 2* upright but the last few years or more played 1" longer due to help get me more upright to relieve the sore back. The back is better so I'll see what happens at stock length.
Going shorter???  J/K, keep us posted.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:40 AM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

My definition of tall is 6'3" and up (I'm 6'5" so my perception might be skewed).  I tried to think of "tall" players I see when watching PGA events on TV and their height (not positive, but educated guess).

Patton Kizzire 6'4"
Thomas Pieters 6'5"
Bubba Watson 6'3"
Tony Finau 6'4"
Dustin Johnson 6'4"
Phil M. 6'3"
Jamie Lovemark 6'4" ?

Are there others I'm not thinking of?

Does anyone know the club specs for any of these guys.  Personally, I've never seen or heard of these tall golfers having irons longer than 1" over standard and most are only 1/2" (Tony Finau looks like he's playing with jr clubs).  I'm just curious why the best golfers in the world who you would think have the ability to find the center of the face with clubs longer than +1" are NOT using clubs that long (or why they're not being fit for clubs that long) yet guys on this site of similar height are being fit for clubs 1-2" longer?  Myself included as my current irons are +1.5".  I hit them fine, my only complaint is SW is in the E range.  Just curious and if anyone has any exact information or thoughts about this I'd love to hear.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:41 AM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

View PostTLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think my guess would be that it directly relates to your last point about swing weight. I am 6'5" and the longest I could play and keep the swing weight manageable was 1" over. Mizuno and their lighter weight heads were a godsend as I could play stronger shafts and not have crazy swing weights. I've since gone to 3/4" over on irons and fairly standard length woods. I imagine once they get to the tour they could have clubs made at any length and swing weight but at that point why change from what you are accustomed to.
Do you know which manufacturers offer lighter weight heads to compensate for longer shafts?  I knew Mizuno does.  I think TM does.  Have no idea about the others.  Surely there are more.

Ping has multiple weight heads or at least they used to.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

View Postdouble_d, on 17 April 2018 - 07:41 AM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

View PostTLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think my guess would be that it directly relates to your last point about swing weight. I am 6'5" and the longest I could play and keep the swing weight manageable was 1" over. Mizuno and their lighter weight heads were a godsend as I could play stronger shafts and not have crazy swing weights. I've since gone to 3/4" over on irons and fairly standard length woods. I imagine once they get to the tour they could have clubs made at any length and swing weight but at that point why change from what you are accustomed to.
Do you know which manufacturers offer lighter weight heads to compensate for longer shafts?  I knew Mizuno does.  I think TM does.  Have no idea about the others.  Surely there are more.

Ping has multiple weight heads or at least they used to.

I think most OEM's have multiple head weights.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:59 AM

View PostSean2, on 17 April 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

I think most OEM's have multiple head weights.

While some OEM's have lighter weight head options, these heads are still much too heavy for a true overlength build for the exceptionally tall golfer, especially in the shorter irons.  Mizuno has 'B' heads that are 7g lighter.  Ping uses slightly lighter head weights for all of their irons and uses various size weights to build them to a specific swing weight.  However the heads without the weights still weigh considerably more then say 270g single length heads.  I removed the weights from two Ping wedge heads thinking that would get the weight down considerably, it did not come close to what was needed!

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:03 AM

Does anybody trim (shorten) the end of the extension that inserts into the shaft to aid in swingweight issues?  I never thought about how long that end of the extension was until reading this string.  It's gotta be 3-4".

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:23 AM

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.
You shortened your clubs by 50% and feel more comfortable?  Was +1.5" too long?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:36 AM

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.
You shortened your clubs by 50% and feel more comfortable?  Was +1.5" too long?
Yes, +1.5 was too long.  I measured my WTF and it was 36 inches if I remember correctly.  Someone on WRX a couple years ago mentioned that +3/4 matched my WTF measurement so I purchased some new clubs in that length.  Immediately I started to see better results.  Also, I found that at +3/4, 115 gram shafts and Mizuno B weight heads end up at D-0 swingweight which I feel most comfortable at.  I still buy other sets of irons at +3/4 and they are always D-3 to D-5 which I keep learning time and time again that I really don't like a heavier swingweight.  I have a new set of Maltby DBM's with Tour Issue X-100 shafts +3/4 inch and as much as I love the way they look and feel when I hit them I am not consistent with a D-3/D-5 swingweight.

Edited by reider69, 17 April 2018 - 11:59 AM.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:30 PM

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.
You shortened your clubs by 50% and feel more comfortable?  Was +1.5" too long?
Yes, +1.5 was too long.  I measured my WTF and it was 36 inches if I remember correctly.  Someone on WRX a couple years ago mentioned that +3/4 matched my WTF measurement so I purchased some new clubs in that length.  Immediately I started to see better results.  Also, I found that at +3/4, 115 gram shafts and Mizuno B weight heads end up at D-0 swingweight which I feel most comfortable at.  I still buy other sets of irons at +3/4 and they are always D-3 to D-5 which I keep learning time and time again that I really don't like a heavier swingweight.  I have a new set of Maltby DBM's with Tour Issue X-100 shafts +3/4 inch and as much as I love the way they look and feel when I hit them I am not consistent with a D-3/D-5 swingweight.
How in the world do you have a 36" WTF at 6'6"?!?!  I've always been told I have long arms, but my WTF is 39.5".  Is there a way to measure arm length only?  Wing span also accounts for shoulder width, not just arms.

I will have to get lighter heads for my next set.  Current set is +1.5" and swingweights are in the E range.  I'd be happy if they were in the high D's.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

I’m 6’1.5” with short arms and wrist-to-floor measurement of 38.5”. I play off a 38 3/4” 4i and do 3/8th increments going down through PW. Then 1/4” for GW, SW & LW. I’m fortunate in that I prefer everything with a heavy swingweight anyway.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:51 PM

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:51 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.
You shortened your clubs by 50% and feel more comfortable?  Was +1.5" too long?
Yes, +1.5 was too long.  I measured my WTF and it was 36 inches if I remember correctly.  Someone on WRX a couple years ago mentioned that +3/4 matched my WTF measurement so I purchased some new clubs in that length.  Immediately I started to see better results.  Also, I found that at +3/4, 115 gram shafts and Mizuno B weight heads end up at D-0 swingweight which I feel most comfortable at.  I still buy other sets of irons at +3/4 and they are always D-3 to D-5 which I keep learning time and time again that I really don't like a heavier swingweight.  I have a new set of Maltby DBM's with Tour Issue X-100 shafts +3/4 inch and as much as I love the way they look and feel when I hit them I am not consistent with a D-3/D-5 swingweight.
How in the world do you have a 36" WTF at 6'6"?!?!  I've always been told I have long arms, but my WTF is 39.5".  Is there a way to measure arm length only?  Wing span also accounts for shoulder width, not just arms.

I will have to get lighter heads for my next set.  Current set is +1.5" and swingweights are in the E range.  I'd be happy if they were in the high D's.
My inseam is 33.5 so I have short legs and very long arms.  That accounts for my WTF measurement.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:57 PM

View PostRosco1216, on 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'm 6'1.5" with short arms and wrist-to-floor measurement of 38.5". I play off a 38 3/4" 4i and do 3/8th increments going down through PW. Then 1/4" for GW, SW & LW. I'm fortunate in that I prefer everything with a heavy swingweight anyway.
So your 4i is only 1/4" above standard?  Do you know the swingweight?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:59 PM

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'm 6'6 with short legs and very long torso and arms.  I played +1.5 forever and never felt comfortable.  I changed to +3/4 and 2 degrees upright and they feel very good.  I also changed from CTX to CTLX shafts and find I prefer a lighter shaft and a D-0 swingweight.  My arms are so long I find myself choking down all the time.  Truth be told I would probably be fine at +1/2 inch.
You shortened your clubs by 50% and feel more comfortable?  Was +1.5" too long?
Yes, +1.5 was too long.  I measured my WTF and it was 36 inches if I remember correctly.  Someone on WRX a couple years ago mentioned that +3/4 matched my WTF measurement so I purchased some new clubs in that length.  Immediately I started to see better results.  Also, I found that at +3/4, 115 gram shafts and Mizuno B weight heads end up at D-0 swingweight which I feel most comfortable at.  I still buy other sets of irons at +3/4 and they are always D-3 to D-5 which I keep learning time and time again that I really don't like a heavier swingweight.  I have a new set of Maltby DBM's with Tour Issue X-100 shafts +3/4 inch and as much as I love the way they look and feel when I hit them I am not consistent with a D-3/D-5 swingweight.
How in the world do you have a 36" WTF at 6'6"?!?!  I've always been told I have long arms, but my WTF is 39.5".  Is there a way to measure arm length only?  Wing span also accounts for shoulder width, not just arms.

I will have to get lighter heads for my next set.  Current set is +1.5" and swingweights are in the E range.  I'd be happy if they were in the high D's.
My inseam is 33.5 so I have short legs and very long arms.  That accounts for my WTF measurement.
If you don't mind would you measure your arm the same way as the pictures I just posted?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:26 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

View PostRosco1216, on 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'm 6'1.5" with short arms and wrist-to-floor measurement of 38.5". I play off a 38 3/4" 4i and do 3/8th increments going down through PW. Then 1/4" for GW, SW & LW. I'm fortunate in that I prefer everything with a heavy swingweight anyway.
So your 4i is only 1/4" above standard?  Do you know the swingweight?
Correct, D3.  Technically yes it’s only 1/4” over standard for the longest iron in the bag. Length is length though and it doesn’t matter what the number says on the bottom. A 38” club is as easy or as difficult to hit for someone no matter if it’s a “short 4i”, “standard 5i” or “long 6i”.  It’s in the shorter irons and wedges were the added length is most needed.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:38 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

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I did the best I could measuring myself by taping one end of measuring tape to my wrist bone as shown and then attaching to my shoulder bone as shown.  It measured 26 inches.  I have very wide shoulders.  My dress shirts are 18/38.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 03:38 PM

View PostRosco1216, on 17 April 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 17 April 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

View PostRosco1216, on 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'm 6'1.5" with short arms and wrist-to-floor measurement of 38.5". I play off a 38 3/4" 4i and do 3/8th increments going down through PW. Then 1/4" for GW, SW & LW. I'm fortunate in that I prefer everything with a heavy swingweight anyway.
So your 4i is only 1/4" above standard?  Do you know the swingweight?
Correct, D3.  Technically yes it's only 1/4" over standard for the longest iron in the bag. Length is length though and it doesn't matter what the number says on the bottom. A 38" club is as easy or as difficult to hit for someone no matter if it's a "short 4i", "standard 5i" or "long 6i".  It's in the shorter irons and wedges were the added length is most needed.
Completely agree.  I will definitely do 3/8" gaps next set.  Your PW must be 36.5".

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:09 PM

YBalls:

3/8" gaps is what I have done in the past. Works pretty good. Just FYI that my LW is 36", SW 36.25" GW & PW are both 36.5" and I feel fine with that.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:14 PM

View Postforefrazier, on 17 April 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

YBalls:

3/8" gaps is what I have done in the past. Works pretty good. Just FYI that my LW is 36", SW 36.25" GW & PW are both 36.5" and I feel fine with that.
Good stuff.  I wonder why 1/2" gaps are the standard?  1/2" gaps cause a 4" difference between 3i and PW which I guess is not an issue for average height golfers.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:16 PM

View Postreider69, on 17 April 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

My inseam is 33.5 so I have short legs and very long arms.  That accounts for my WTF measurement.

6'6" with a 33.5 inseam? How in the world is that possible? How do you buy shirts?


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