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#1 yellowballs

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:13 PM

My definition of tall is 6'3" and up (I'm 6'5" so my perception might be skewed).  I tried to think of "tall" players I see when watching PGA events on TV and their height (not positive, but educated guess).

Patton Kizzire 6'4"
Thomas Pieters 6'5"
Bubba Watson 6'3"
Tony Finau 6'4"
Dustin Johnson 6'4"
Phil M. 6'3"
Jamie Lovemark 6'4" ?

Are there others I'm not thinking of?

Does anyone know the club specs for any of these guys.  Personally, I've never seen or heard of these tall golfers having irons longer than 1" over standard and most are only 1/2" (Tony Finau looks like he's playing with jr clubs).  I'm just curious why the best golfers in the world who you would think have the ability to find the center of the face with clubs longer than +1" are NOT using clubs that long (or why they're not being fit for clubs that long) yet guys on this site of similar height are being fit for clubs 1-2" longer?  Myself included as my current irons are +1.5".  I hit them fine, my only complaint is SW is in the E range.  Just curious and if anyone has any exact information or thoughts about this I'd love to hear.

Edited by yellowballs, 11 April 2018 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:21 PM

Bubba is +1/2 inch according to Ping.

I just don't think anyone really needs more than +1 inch. Yes you're taller, but your arms are also usually longer. With irons you want a good fit, but also irons are for control and dispersion. If you go beyond +1 inch your dispersion probably suffers, and as you said you get weird swingweights. I just don't see the point.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:29 PM

I think my guess would be that it directly relates to your last point about swing weight. I am 6'5" and the longest I could play and keep the swing weight manageable was 1" over. Mizuno and their lighter weight heads were a godsend as I could play stronger shafts and not have crazy swing weights. I've since gone to 3/4" over on irons and fairly standard length woods. I imagine once they get to the tour they could have clubs made at any length and swing weight but at that point why change from what you are accustomed to.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:35 PM

View Postnova6868, on 11 April 2018 - 02:21 PM, said:

Bubba is +1/2 inch according to Ping.

I just don't think anyone really needs more than +1 inch. Yes you're taller, but your arms are also usually longer. With irons you want a good fit, but also irons are for control and dispersion. If you go beyond +1 inch your dispersion probably suffers, and as you said you get weird swingweights. I just don't see the point.
Yes, my arms are correspondingly longer (wingspan is 6'9") yet I'm always fit for clubs longer than 1".  Surely not every fitter I've seen is bad?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:36 PM

View PostTLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I think my guess would be that it directly relates to your last point about swing weight. I am 6'5" and the longest I could play and keep the swing weight manageable was 1" over. Mizuno and their lighter weight heads were a godsend as I could play stronger shafts and not have crazy swing weights. I've since gone to 3/4" over on irons and fairly standard length woods. I imagine once they get to the tour they could have clubs made at any length and swing weight but at that point why change from what you are accustomed to.
Do you know which manufacturers offer lighter weight heads to compensate for longer shafts?  I knew Mizuno does.  I think TM does.  Have no idea about the others.  Surely there are more.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:43 PM

I think DJ is +1/2" in his irons. I recall seeing Stewart Cink (6'4") was only +1/4" but went really upright in his irons. I'm 6'3" and feel comfortable with around +1/2" but I've honestly played better at standard length.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:58 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with those guys being some of the most flexible and "athletic" in golf terms.  They all work hard on golf specific mobility.  As a result, they can function well being a little more bent over vs most others.

Most of the time, there's no need to use longer clubs unless you've determined that you really benefit from it.  I think we can assume that most anyone on tour these days, has done enough detailed testing to find out whether they do or don't

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 03:28 PM

Nick Faldo is 6'3"

I'm 6'3" as well, my irons are 1/2" over length, and 1 degree up. Other than that everything else in the bag including wedges and woods are stock lengths.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:24 PM

I've written numerous posts for tall golfers and believe most tall golfers, those who represent the 1% of the population for 6' 3" and taller, are not being fit properly.  


There is a tremendous difference between being properly fit to ones body proportions and being fit to what OEM's offer.  The OEM's know for sure they are covering 96% of the population with their normal fittings, which honestly is quite remarkable!  Add this to the fact most professionals are playing what they have been told works and over years and thousands and thousands of balls and hours on the range they develop a swing that gets them to high levels.

Interestingly, if a broader look of the truly greats in this game, Nicklaus, Hogan, Palmer, Trevino, Bobby Jones, Snead, Woods, Rory, etc most of them are SHORTER then average height!

As for tall people having longer arms, this is a true statement.  However, tall golfers have much higher shoulders, about 6" higher on average.  Arms are about 2" longer on average.  So a 6" higher shoulder height along with 2" longer arms leaves 4" of additional distance the truly tall golfer has to accommodate in some manner.  Most of us just bend over more.  Making clubs more upright is 100% the incorrect approach as it raises handle height at the expense of ball position moving closer to the golfer.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:29 PM

6'-5" here and have played +1" for most of my golfing life. Agree with CWebb that pros mobility allow them to be more bent over and stay in the spine angle longer (think DJ swing) whereas the recreational golfer cannot do that. To add one more known iron length to your list....I asked Thomas Pieters what length his irons were through FB and he actually responded that his PX shafts are just +1/2" over.

I went for a fitting a few years back and did not tell the rep what I was currently using. He recommended +1/2" and *2up so go figure?? I also recently took a trip and grabbed a set of standard TM rental clubs to play with since I did not plan on playing and did not have mine with me. Shot 76 on a course I had never seen and I am a 8hcp. Who knows???


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:32 PM

To the OP, 6' 3" and taller puts someone in the 1% for height.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:20 PM

View Postrybo, on 11 April 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

I've written numerous posts for tall golfers and believe most tall golfers, those who represent the 1% of the population for 6' 3" and taller, are not being fit properly.  


There is a tremendous difference between being properly fit to ones body proportions and being fit to what OEM's offer.  The OEM's know for sure they are covering 96% of the population with their normal fittings, which honestly is quite remarkable!  Add this to the fact most professionals are playing what they have been told works and over years and thousands and thousands of balls and hours on the range they develop a swing that gets them to high levels.

Interestingly, if a broader look of the truly greats in this game, Nicklaus, Hogan, Palmer, Trevino, Bobby Jones, Snead, Woods, Rory, etc most of them are SHORTER then average height!

As for tall people having longer arms, this is a true statement.  However, tall golfers have much higher shoulders, about 6" higher on average.  Arms are about 2" longer on average.  So a 6" higher shoulder height along with 2" longer arms leaves 4" of additional distance the truly tall golfer has to accommodate in some manner.  Most of us just bend over more.  Making clubs more upright is 100% the incorrect approach as it raises handle height at the expense of ball position moving closer to the golfer.
Thanks for commenting.  I haven't had a chance to read your other posts you referred to.  So, what's the proper way to fit a tall golfer?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:23 PM

My problem is I suffer from short arms.  I'm 6'2" but wrist to floor is 39" (mens average is 35" per Ping).  I play 1/2 over in the irons and a couple degrees up.  I don't think length matters much until the short irons.  A 4 iron at standard or 1/2" or 1" over still is plenty long enough it's the 9-PW-SW-LW that cause issues.  I start cutting the PW-LW in 1/8" increments so I'm playing more like 5/8"-7/8" over in the short clubs.  Can always grind or drill ports in a wedge to lighten them up to D6.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:25 PM

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6'-5" here and have played +1" for most of my golfing life. Agree with CWebb that pros mobility allow them to be more bent over and stay in the spine angle longer (think DJ swing) whereas the recreational golfer cannot do that. To add one more known iron length to your list....I asked Thomas Pieters what length his irons were through FB and he actually responded that his PX shafts are just +1/2" over.

I went for a fitting a few years back and did not tell the rep what I was currently using. He recommended +1/2" and *2up so go figure?? I also recently took a trip and grabbed a set of standard TM rental clubs to play with since I did not plan on playing and did not have mine with me. Shot 76 on a course I had never seen and I am a 8hcp. Who knows???
I just don't get it?  Thomas Pieters is probably the tallest guy I listed and he's still only +1/2".  Do you know your WTF measurement?  We're the same height and I also have long arms yet I am still fit for +1.5".  Btw, pretty impressive shooting 76 with rentals.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:39 PM

I'm 6'5" and have experimented with standard through +1.5" over the last ten years. For the last 3 years I have settled on +.5" and have no plans to change. For me, anything over is an exercise in diminishing returns.  Combined length of my arms and shaft makes pure contact more challenging, coupled with the fact that I'm already hitting my irons further than most, makes me more inclined to err on the side of accuracy. The added benefit being I'm more confident looking at the ball at address and shaft pulls are more readily available for builds. I gamed a 3/8" gap set of Ping i5 irons for years and could easily go back. The short irons were maybe a bit more comfortable, but it messed with my distance gapping and it made the build a little more work in terms of swingweight, which I am particularly sensitive to.

Driver is usually 45" but I don't mind 44.75". I only carry one fairway and my preferred length is 42.5, that's the last club in my bag I would ever consider lengthening.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 07:01 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Thanks for commenting.  I haven't had a chance to read your other posts you referred to.  So, what's the proper way to fit a tall golfer?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 07:10 PM

It isn't just height. I am 6'5", but have relatively short arms. My clubs are +2-inches.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 07:52 PM

I’m 6’3” with 6’6” wingspan. Was previously fit for 1” over when I first started and never liked my fitting. Fit myself after studying numerous sources about fitting and landed on stock length for most manufacturers or 1/4” long for some. ��‍♂️
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:03 PM

View PostCletus, on 11 April 2018 - 06:39 PM, said:

I'm 6'5" and have experimented with standard through +1.5" over the last ten years. For the last 3 years I have settled on +.5" and have no plans to change. For me, anything over is an exercise in diminishing returns.  Combined length of my arms and shaft makes pure contact more challenging, coupled with the fact that I'm already hitting my irons further than most, makes me more inclined to err on the side of accuracy. The added benefit being I'm more confident looking at the ball at address and shaft pulls are more readily available for builds. I gamed a 3/8" gap set of Ping i5 irons for years and could easily go back. The short irons were maybe a bit more comfortable, but it messed with my distance gapping and it made the build a little more work in terms of swingweight, which I am particularly sensitive to.

Driver is usually 45" but I don't mind 44.75". I only carry one fairway and my preferred length is 42.5, that's the last club in my bag I would ever consider lengthening.
I feel pretty sure I'll drop to +1" (if not less) down from +1.5".  I've also thought about going to 3/8" gaps whenever I get a new set.  Do you know the length of your 5i?  39"?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:05 PM

View PostSean2, on 11 April 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

It isn't just height. I am 6'5", but have relatively short arms. My clubs are +2-inches.
What is the proper way to measure arm length?  Is there some other way other than shirt sleeve length?


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:27 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

I feel pretty sure I'll drop to +1" (if not less) down from +1.5".  I've also thought about going to 3/8" gaps whenever I get a new set.  Do you know the length of your 5i?  39"?

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:37 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 11 April 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

It isn't just height. I am 6'5", but have relatively short arms. My clubs are +2-inches.
What is the proper way to measure arm length?  Is there some other way other than shirt sleeve length?

Its been a while for me, but wrist to floor measurement was the standard when I started fitting my irons a decade ago. I used Tom Wishon's book The Search for the Perfect Golf Club, which gave me a good baseline. I assume there are more sophisticated ways to go about the process, certainly if you involve a professional fitter. I did it myself because I enjoy it, but working with a fitter is far easier/cheaper/faster.

Here is Ping's take on the relationship between wrist to floor, height, and shaft length:
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:17 PM

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 11 April 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

It isn't just height. I am 6'5", but have relatively short arms. My clubs are +2-inches.
What is the proper way to measure arm length?  Is there some other way other than shirt sleeve length?

I am not sure.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:00 PM

View Postwebber, on 11 April 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

My problem is I suffer from short arms.  I'm 6'2" but wrist to floor is 39" (mens average is 35" per Ping).  I play 1/2 over in the irons and a couple degrees up.  I don't think length matters much until the short irons.  A 4 iron at standard or 1/2" or 1" over still is plenty long enough it's the 9-PW-SW-LW that cause issues.  I start cutting the PW-LW in 1/8" increments so I'm playing more like 5/8"-7/8" over in the short clubs.  Can always grind or drill ports in a wedge to lighten them up to D6.

Ah, a fellow T-rex!  I'm the say way, with the same solution.  Long wedges, 1/2" long and upright otherwise.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:20 PM

interesting discussion here..... I'm 6'3" with really long legs. I've always gotten shafts that are +1" but I'll be real honest... No fitter has ever actually fit me for shaft length... I'll be following this...

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:03 AM

View PostCletus, on 11 April 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

View Postyellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 11 April 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

It isn't just height. I am 6'5", but have relatively short arms. My clubs are +2-inches.
What is the proper way to measure arm length? Is there some other way other than shirt sleeve length?
Its been a while for me, but wrist to floor measurement was the standard when I started fitting my irons a decade ago. I used Tom Wishon's book The Search for the Perfect Golf Club, which gave me a good baseline. I assume there are more sophisticated ways to go about the process, certainly if you involve a professional fitter. I did it myself because I enjoy it, but working with a fitter is far easier/cheaper/faster. Here is Ping's take on the relationship between wrist to floor, height, and shaft length: http://www.golfwrx.c...-fitting-chart/
Thanks for the links.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:29 AM

The two illustrations below are from https://www.jeffmont...golf-clubs.html

Clubs that do not fit properly
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The tall golfer is hunched over to accommodate a club that is too short for their body proportions and the ball position has moved closer



Clubs that fit proportionally
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Same posture for all golfers regardless of height.  Ball position is proportional to the golfers height and arm length.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:43 AM

I’m 6-3.5”. I have played irons as long as +2.0 and now I play +.25”. I have better ball striking with regular length. Overall distance, distance gaps, and dispersion patters are all significantly better. I’ve been working very hard on my mobility to get to this level to be able to achieve this. If there are questions on tips let me know.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:05 AM

I'm 6'6'', play +1'' & 2 degree upright in everything except for driver & hybrids which are stock.
I have been fitted for everything from +1/4'' to +1.5''.  I feel most comfortable in my current setup and play my best with it.
My suggestion is do some research and hit everything you can get you hands on to determine what feels and scores best for you, easy to get hung up on what other players of similar build hit.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 11:16 AM

 rybo, on 11 April 2018 - 07:01 PM, said:

 yellowballs, on 11 April 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Thanks for commenting. I haven't had a chance to read your other posts you referred to. So, what's the proper way to fit a tall golfer?
http://www.golfwrx.c...onceived-ideas/
Only read the first page so far, but interesting stuff.  I like the way my +1.5" feel, but the SW is in the E range.  Such a pain to get clubs that long and keep them in the D range.


Edited by yellowballs, 12 April 2018 - 11:20 AM.


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