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Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM

Had my current set of irons for about 4 years. I was professionally fitted at the time, and outfitted with Nippon N.S.Pro 1150GH shafts in Stiff. I do not know what my swing speeds were back then. I don't believe the shafts were stepped at all, but I don't know that for certain.

More recently, I moved to a new area and found a new coach with trackman. Apart from having a very high ball flight and a draw bias, my coach said my spin rates are on the high side for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph. According to him, and every shaft manufacturers charts, I should be in an X shaft.

I don't think I absolutely need different shafts and he didn't view a swap as essential either, but control with my irons is what I'm trying to work on this summer and coach suggested that soft shaft could definitely be contributing to my issues.

So with that said, I suppose I'm looking for ideas on low to medium launch and lower spinning shafts. The only other shaft I've ever played were PX 6.0. They definitely felt boardy when compared to my Nippon but it's been so long since I hit them I am not sure which feel I would prefer.

Thanks for any help ahead of time.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:08 PM

That's quite high speed for a 7-iron. If you're looking for control in your irons, I would suggest dialing your "stock shot" back a touch. But anyway.

1150 are soft-mid and tip stiff. If you want something similar in Nippon, the Modus 120TX is probably the way to go. But you may want to try different profiles and see what you like. You may like something that's overall just stiffer like Modus 130, PX 6.5, KBS Tour X or C-taper, etc.

Honestly weight is perhaps even more important than bend profile in iron shafts. Your current shafts are 115 gram, you should definitely consider something in the 125-130 range if you want more control. This also might help slow you down a touch. And probably take some spin off.



Edited by nova6868, 11 April 2018 - 02:15 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:16 PM

 nova6868, on 11 April 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

That's quite high speed for a 7-iron. If you're looking for control in your irons, I would suggest dialing your "stock shot" back a touch. But anyway.

I asked that exact question after he told me my speeds and fully expected the same recommendation you made. However he insisted I don't need to at this point as I have some apparently glaring swing issues that he says once fixed should square me away. The trackman numbers I got were not from a trackman "session", i was merely warming up in front of it in a stall prior to moving out to the grass area for my actual lesson. I'd guess I was swinging 85% but I don't really feel that I ever go above that during a round, either.

 nova6868, on 11 April 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

1150 are soft-mid and tip stiff. If you want something similar in Nippon, the Modus 120TX is probably the way to go. But you may want to try different profiles and see what you like. You may like something that's overall just stiffer like Modus 130, PX 6.5, KBS Tour X or C-taper, etc.

Thanks....was just poking around PX and KBS and they both recommended the PX LZ Steel 6.5 and the C-Taper X, respectively. I guess I'll need to do some more research. Maybe I can buy a demo head on ebay with some demo shafts to try. The KBS C-Taper do seem to be at least $100 cheaper than px.

Edited by Go_Time, 11 April 2018 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:55 PM

C-Taper X is a beast of a shaft. It would certainly bring launch and spin down I would imagine but it's quite heavy. I am mid 90s with a 7 iron and have had good luck with a project X 6.5. Very good for a hard transition.

Edited by TLUBulldogGolf, 11 April 2018 - 02:55 PM.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:27 PM

 TLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

C-Taper X is a beast of a shaft. It would certainly bring launch and spin down I would imagine but it's quite heavy. I am mid 90s with a 7 iron and have had good luck with a project X 6.5. Very good for a hard transition.

The C-Taper X is 130g whereas the PX 6.5 is 125g. I've heard that PX have softened up a bit so I'm also looking at 7.0.


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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:56 PM

 Go_Time, on 12 April 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

 TLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

C-Taper X is a beast of a shaft. It would certainly bring launch and spin down I would imagine but it's quite heavy. I am mid 90s with a 7 iron and have had good luck with a project X 6.5. Very good for a hard transition.

The C-Taper X is 130g whereas the PX 6.5 is 125g. I've heard that PX have softened up a bit so I'm also looking at 7.0.

Most of the guys on tour who play Nippon for the smoother feel have opted for the 120TX.  It weighs 122g I think, uncut, has a stiffer tip profile, with a slightly softer butt for more feel.  The Modus 130 is super butt stiff, softer middle and mid-tip, designed specifically for Sergio.  Modus 125 is actually a hair heavier in most of the flexes than the 130, and is basically a smoother dynamic gold with a low/low profile and a very stout tip.  Imagine a stiffer butt, stiff tip...basically a PX or C-Taper with feel.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 06:05 PM

X7's might suit you.
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 06:25 PM

Just fit a player with 106mph 7 iron. Modus 120TX. Had a smooth tempo. Have also fit players with more aggressive tempos around 102, with Px7.0.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 08:15 PM

 trhode, on 12 April 2018 - 06:25 PM, said:

Just fit a player with 106mph 7 iron. Modus 120TX. Had a smooth tempo. Have also fit players with more aggressive tempos around 102, with Px7.0.

Thanks that is good info

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:08 PM

 Go_Time, on 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph.

Wow, so you carry your 7 iron over 210 yards ?   My, my..........that's longer than the average tour player and you're in the peer for the long drive elite .  Some of them could hit a putter 200 yards.
If so, your issue is not distance , obviously, and should find a shaft to give you consistent distant control.  Try the PX 7.0, I know of a ;local golfer whom carry that and he is a plus index holder.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 07:46 AM

 Go_Time, on 12 April 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

 TLUBulldogGolf, on 11 April 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

C-Taper X is a beast of a shaft. It would certainly bring launch and spin down I would imagine but it's quite heavy. I am mid 90s with a 7 iron and have had good luck with a project X 6.5. Very good for a hard transition.

The C-Taper X is 130g whereas the PX 6.5 is 125g. I've heard that PX have softened up a bit so I'm also looking at 7.0.

I've played 7.0s, great shaft but I don't have the speed for them anymore and find I get a touch more distance out of the 6.5. But with your speed it might be a great fit. PX 7.0 is very comparable to a C-Taper X.

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:02 AM

Similar speed to you and I switched to Nippon SPB x last year. They are amazing shafts, good launch and smooth for my swing. Have played x100, KBS 130x, tt bg, px 6.5 and I prefer the SPB. You can also order cheap from Japan. I have a thread on DOND about where to get them if you're interested.
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:45 AM

 wareagle12, on 13 April 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

Similar speed to you and I switched to Nippon SPB x last year. They are amazing shafts, good launch and smooth for my swing. Have played x100, KBS 130x, tt bg, px 6.5 and I prefer the SPB. You can also order cheap from Japan. I have a thread on DOND about where to get them if you're interested.

I know a guy who went from c taper 130x to px 7.0. Now he's on the Nippon spb and loves them been thinking about checking them out myself.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 03:16 AM

 wkuo3, on 12 April 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph.

Wow, so you carry your 7 iron over 210 yards ?   My, my..........that's longer than the average tour player and you're in the peer for the long drive elite .  Some of them could hit a putter 200 yards.
If so, your issue is not distance , obviously, and should find a shaft to give you consistent distant control.  Try the PX 7.0, I know of a ;local golfer whom carry that and he is a plus index holder.

No, trackman distances are around 185-190 yards.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:12 AM

I am in a similar situation as regards to swing speed and launch conditions(My Club Champion fitting had me at 114 avg with a 6 iron). Played x100 for a while and then switched to x7s prior to getting fit. Stiffness and weight of x7s helped me bring my dispersion in side to side but I still had trouble with overspinning them(mostly due to swing issue but still). Went to Club Champion to get fit and ended up switching PX 7.0 as they helped me bring my spin down significantly. Gave up some of the feel/smoothness of the x7s but hard to argue with the numbers.

Anyway my suggestion is to stop guessing and see if the pro has access to a few shafts you can try for a fitting on the trackman. I would never have ended up with PX because the feel is terrible IMO but I after seeing the numbers move in the right direction and the results on the course it's hard to argue that they weren't the right way to go.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

 Go_Time, on 14 April 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

 wkuo3, on 12 April 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph.

Wow, so you carry your 7 iron over 210 yards ?   My, my..........that's longer than the average tour player and you're in the peer for the long drive elite .  Some of them could hit a putter 200 yards.
If so, your issue is not distance , obviously, and should find a shaft to give you consistent distant control.  Try the PX 7.0, I know of a ;local golfer whom carry that and he is a plus index holder.

No, trackman distances are around 185-190 yards.

What was the apex height of your shots?  I would expect it to be very high with that spin rate and club head speed.  You are probably giving up considerable distance due to shots ballooning with those 1150GH stiff flex shafts.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 10:33 AM

I would maybe test a Steelfiber in X.  Might save your joints in the long run at your swing speeds.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:03 PM

 lebanontngolfer, on 14 April 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

 Go_Time, on 14 April 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

 wkuo3, on 12 April 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph.

Wow, so you carry your 7 iron over 210 yards ?   My, my..........that's longer than the average tour player and you're in the peer for the long drive elite .  Some of them could hit a putter 200 yards.
If so, your issue is not distance , obviously, and should find a shaft to give you consistent distant control.  Try the PX 7.0, I know of a ;local golfer whom carry that and he is a plus index holder.

No, trackman distances are around 185-190 yards.

What was the apex height of your shots?  I would expect it to be very high with that spin rate and club head speed.  You are probably giving up considerable distance due to shots ballooning with those 1150GH stiff flex shafts.

In that very brief trackman recording, the average height was generally 110-120 (had some thin shots that threw off recorded average). Spin was anywhere from low-mid 7k to low 8k. This was before my lesson and even then my coach noted the spin as being high. Later in the lesson he was curious if the shafts were contributing to my draw. We were not on trackman during the actual lesson, though I am hoping to do a dedicated trackman session after a few more lessons and I solidify some changes.

Edited by Go_Time, 14 April 2018 - 01:04 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:14 PM

 wareagle12, on 13 April 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

Similar speed to you and I switched to Nippon SPB x last year. They are amazing shafts, good launch and smooth for my swing. Have played x100, KBS 130x, tt bg, px 6.5 and I prefer the SPB. You can also order cheap from Japan. I have a thread on DOND about where to get them if you're interested.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:47 PM

 Go_Time, on 14 April 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

 lebanontngolfer, on 14 April 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

 Go_Time, on 14 April 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

 wkuo3, on 12 April 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 11 April 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

for 7 iron (only club I was on trackman with). I believe he said I was around 8000-8500 range for rpm, with swing speed around 100-103 mph.

Wow, so you carry your 7 iron over 210 yards ?   My, my..........that's longer than the average tour player and you're in the peer for the long drive elite .  Some of them could hit a putter 200 yards.
If so, your issue is not distance , obviously, and should find a shaft to give you consistent distant control.  Try the PX 7.0, I know of a ;local golfer whom carry that and he is a plus index holder.

No, trackman distances are around 185-190 yards.

What was the apex height of your shots?  I would expect it to be very high with that spin rate and club head speed.  You are probably giving up considerable distance due to shots ballooning with those 1150GH stiff flex shafts.

In that very brief trackman recording, the average height was generally 110-120 (had some thin shots that threw off recorded average). Spin was anywhere from low-mid 7k to low 8k. This was before my lesson and even then my coach noted the spin as being high. Later in the lesson he was curious if the shafts were contributing to my draw. We were not on trackman during the actual lesson, though I am hoping to do a dedicated trackman session after a few more lessons and I solidify some changes.

Your coach “was curious if the shafts were contributing to my draw”.....

I wonder if your coach has any professional fitting training.  Too much spin, too much height, too much draw/hook is essentially right out of the cub fitting handbook pointing to a too soft and/ or too tip flexible shaft.  There’s absolutely nothing to be “ curious” about.

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:51 PM

 Jagpilotohio, on 14 April 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 14 April 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

In that very brief trackman recording, the average height was generally 110-120 (had some thin shots that threw off recorded average). Spin was anywhere from low-mid 7k to low 8k. This was before my lesson and even then my coach noted the spin as being high. Later in the lesson he was curious if the shafts were contributing to my draw. We were not on trackman during the actual lesson, though I am hoping to do a dedicated trackman session after a few more lessons and I solidify some changes.

Your coach “was curious if the shafts were contributing to my draw”.....

I wonder if your coach has any professional fitting training.  Too much spin, too much height, too much draw/hook is essentially right out of the cub fitting handbook pointing to a too soft and/ or too tip flexible shaft.  There’s absolutely nothing to be “ curious” about.

I don't believe he does, he certainly doesn't offer any fitting services. I think he was being careful about his wording because he didn't want me to feel like he was pushing an equipment change on our first session. The guy is the real deal, I have zero doubts about his knowledge or abilities. I just think he was being careful. I also have swing faults that contribute to these ball flights stats, too.

Edited by Go_Time, 14 April 2018 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:47 PM

 Go_Time, on 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

If you're talking about KBS tour 130x not C taper they're extremely different. The KBS Tour has a soft tip and spun a ton for me. At least 1 club shorter due to spin from px or SPB for me. Project x launch fairly high for the profile without extra spin, but some people complain of the feel that they don't have. That's why you're getting Nippon SPB recommendations. They have great feel, lower spin and launch.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:25 PM

 wareagle12, on 16 April 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

 Go_Time, on 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

If you're talking about KBS tour 130x not C taper they're extremely different. The KBS Tour has a soft tip and spun a ton for me. At least 1 club shorter due to spin from px or SPB for me. Project x launch fairly high for the profile without extra spin, but some people complain of the feel that they don't have. That's why you're getting Nippon SPB recommendations. They have great feel, lower spin and launch.

Sorry yes, I mean C-Taper X. I will lookout for the SPB but since I"ll be buying these used or in a set of used clubs I'm not sure what kind of luck I'll have finding those.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:30 AM

 Go_Time, on 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

Honestly there wasn't a huge difference for me, 7.0 is heavier and will feel even harsher than a 6.5. The comments on PX feel are due to it having both a stiff tip and butt end, I have played them so long I am used to it and prefer it along with the ball flight but it can feel harsh to some. I think if you are buying a set with the shafts in them 6.5s will be easier to find and will be a huge step up from the Nippons so going all the way to a 7.0 might be a bit much.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:39 AM

 TLUBulldogGolf, on 17 April 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

 Go_Time, on 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

Honestly there wasn't a huge difference for me, 7.0 is heavier and will feel even harsher than a 6.5. The comments on PX feel are due to it having both a stiff tip and butt end, I have played them so long I am used to it and prefer it along with the ball flight but it can feel harsh to some. I think if you are buying a set with the shafts in them 6.5s will be easier to find and will be a huge step up from the Nippons so going all the way to a 7.0 might be a bit much.

Thanks for your input..I agree on 6.5s being much easier to find. Seems like the general consensus, though, is that C-Taper will launch lower than PX?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:04 PM

 Go_Time, on 17 April 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

 TLUBulldogGolf, on 17 April 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

 Go_Time, on 16 April 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Any inputs on PX 6.5 vs. PX 7.0? KBS X-stiff 130g?

Honestly there wasn't a huge difference for me, 7.0 is heavier and will feel even harsher than a 6.5. The comments on PX feel are due to it having both a stiff tip and butt end, I have played them so long I am used to it and prefer it along with the ball flight but it can feel harsh to some. I think if you are buying a set with the shafts in them 6.5s will be easier to find and will be a huge step up from the Nippons so going all the way to a 7.0 might be a bit much.

Thanks for your input..I agree on 6.5s being much easier to find. Seems like the general consensus, though, is that C-Taper will launch lower than PX?

It didn't work out that way for my but the set I played with C-Tapers wasn't quite set up properly. I would say PX isn't a super low launch shaft but rather a low spinning shaft, so for me the flight ends up having a lower apex than a DG or even a C-Taper, which is what I needed.

Edited by TLUBulldogGolf, 17 April 2018 - 12:06 PM.

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